After reading elite, I know why I'm here. Good ole engie (should be named right about everything dawg, and can convict all OM baseball players that were ballers, and beat our *** of taking over 2k in impermissable benefits. He's said this numerous times, with notta got dam thing as proof except for internet cred). He thinks Dudy should be replaced and thinks its the 6th worst stadium in the sec west (lemme know when we're 6th in the west in attendance), I think he's full of ****! I agree there are some facelifts that are needed, but replaced? I don't think so, its a cathedral son. Let me know those attendance stats you spewed on ED over 10 years. Yeah OM's may be better for the last 10 years due to program status at the time, but i think we agree, that's over (its our sport again). Next time engie talks baseball, lets be reminded, I was hitting home runs and snorting coke off his girlfriends *****, while he was riding pine back in the day.
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Is this an attack on Engie or an ill-formed argument? I don't think anybody is saying that Dudy-Noble should be replaced. Is there another, better vacant plot of land on campus to build a new FIELD? I expect that he means replacing Polk-Dement STADIUM (see also Davis-Wade Stadium @ Scott Field). So is Polk-Dement the reason for the success (i.e., numbers) or the left field lounge? Seems like you should have spent more time off the baseball diamond, out of the okra patch, not to mention killing your brain cells - and more time getting an MSU degree.
P.S. I've never been to elite dawgs, but Engie rarely makes hasty arguments on here (unlike C34). He has much credibility here.
Haha, I agree with you. I don't know why people want to mess with the Dude. It was just named best place to watch a game. If we want to expand down the lines, go for it. I'd love to see an open-air concourse, don't give a **** if it doesn't happen.
DONT MESS WITH THE OUTFIELD. I don't think anyone would want to, but still.
Also, pics of the GF?
DONT MESS WITH THE OUTFIELD. I don't think anyone would want to, but still.
Also, pics of the GF?
This didn't go quite as well as you thought, did it?
I really don't know how to address the babble since I can't really understand your point. Other than making it totally obvious that you totally missed mine...
You don't even know what you are talking about on the OM baseball thing. It was NOT a slight to/about them. It was a slight to MSU over the handling of the Redmond situation.
Did you really think this little desparation move for internet support would do anything other than show everyone the extent that you are an insecure ***** that can't argue based on your own argument's merit and leave it at that?
I really don't know how to address the babble since I can't really understand your point. Other than making it totally obvious that you totally missed mine...
You don't even know what you are talking about on the OM baseball thing. It was NOT a slight to/about them. It was a slight to MSU over the handling of the Redmond situation.
Did you really think this little desparation move for internet support would do anything other than show everyone the extent that you are an insecure ***** that can't argue based on your own argument's merit and leave it at that?
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I'm laughing so hard right now
I can't believe you thought that posting that here would drum you up some support.
Again I say, why not build something that will blow everyone else out of the water and something that all of our fans will like and enjoy? No one is talking about doing away with the LFL, and I don't think it's in any danger whatsoever anyway. Having the type of mentality that you have is what helped cause us to get passed by Ole Miss, USM, and hell maybe even Delta State. "Ole Miss just had a fluke season for the fifth year in a row. Ron Polk will get us winning again because he's Ron Polk!"
In baseball, you have to move forward because if you don't, you will be left behind REAL quick.
I can't believe you thought that posting that here would drum you up some support.
Again I say, why not build something that will blow everyone else out of the water and something that all of our fans will like and enjoy? No one is talking about doing away with the LFL, and I don't think it's in any danger whatsoever anyway. Having the type of mentality that you have is what helped cause us to get passed by Ole Miss, USM, and hell maybe even Delta State. "Ole Miss just had a fluke season for the fifth year in a row. Ron Polk will get us winning again because he's Ron Polk!"
In baseball, you have to move forward because if you don't, you will be left behind REAL quick.
Don't know about the rest of that crap, but the Dude shouldn't be replaced IMO. There are line of sight issues for sure. But I think other things can be done besides tearing down an iconic stadium. Plus I'm not so sure that can even be done in an offseason.
What's iconic about the concrete at Dudy Noble? The "icon" is in the lounges IMO -- and no one is trying to alter them in any way.
A simple renovation means that we are satisfied with being absolutely no better than the 4th best stadium in the SECwest -- and more likely the 5th or 6th best with the sightline issues -- regardless of how much we spend "renovating" the current concrete structure. I'm simply not ever going to be satisfied with that.
This is the sport where we are one of the Jones's -- and this stadium situation gives us one of two choices. BE one of the Jones's exactly like we have for my entire lifetime -- or put lipstick on a pig -- and make it (at best) equal to Swayze -- for 2/3 the money it would cost to level it and come back with a modern stadium complete with open concourses and modular(easily expandable) skyboxes like the ones employed at Baum, new Alex Box, Carolina Stadium, etc... I'd like to see us have a reasonably affordable club level as well(similar to what aTm built at Blue Bell).
It's to the point to me where the handling of this Dudy Noble situation is a statement one way or the other from our administration...
A simple renovation means that we are satisfied with being absolutely no better than the 4th best stadium in the SECwest -- and more likely the 5th or 6th best with the sightline issues -- regardless of how much we spend "renovating" the current concrete structure. I'm simply not ever going to be satisfied with that.
This is the sport where we are one of the Jones's -- and this stadium situation gives us one of two choices. BE one of the Jones's exactly like we have for my entire lifetime -- or put lipstick on a pig -- and make it (at best) equal to Swayze -- for 2/3 the money it would cost to level it and come back with a modern stadium complete with open concourses and modular(easily expandable) skyboxes like the ones employed at Baum, new Alex Box, Carolina Stadium, etc... I'd like to see us have a reasonably affordable club level as well(similar to what aTm built at Blue Bell).
It's to the point to me where the handling of this Dudy Noble situation is a statement one way or the other from our administration...
Do you have a link to where DNF is listed as the 5th or 6th best field in the SECWest, or is that just your opinion you're stating as fact?
What can I say, I like it the way it is. I've obviously been to many more games in there. Much can be added with a small widening of left field (or right field), a tailgating area most likely in right field, a renovated press box and sky box area (or more of them), and an updated exterior. Honestly, I don't want a stadium that only filled for regionals and supers. We really don't have to be thinking capacity right now. Add a little, sure. Would not be feasible to not do that.
Only thing I can say here is that I disagree with pretty much all of it.
No, we're still not the Jones's. Other teams could pour money into their stadiums if they wanted, but like any smart business, they won't do it until the demand is there for it. With the new ESPN money, some of them may do it anyway though. Who knows. What we DO have is tradition, and we really shouldn't mess with it.
That is very emotional. And very absurd.
Don't take that as an insult. I know how you like to go off on rants when people don't agree with you. Just my personal opinion.
And again, I don't think a complete stadium removal and replacement can happen in one off-season. That would sky-rocket the price.
My opinion is just that we have a chance to do something special in baseball. We just went farther than any team in any major sport's National Championship tournament in the entire history of Mississippi. The momentum and potential funding are there to build something truly great with the grandstand. If there are sightline issues, why are we just accepting that? LSU built New Alex Box a few years ago and left behind an "iconic" stadium, and what did they get? Another iconic stadium. For only a fraction more of the cost of renovating an out of date structure with unresolvable issues, we could just tear it down and build the undisputed best damn college baseball stadium in America. With a grandstand, pressbox, skyboxes, club level, etc. like USEe to go along with the LFL (which I don't want to replace or touch in any way), we would have the ABSOLUTE best place in the country to watch a game: it would have the allure and tradition of the outfield and LFL, but it would also have all the conveniences and beauty of Carolina Stadium or Autozone Park.
And don't tell me this is about the money, because this thing would pay for itself at least a couple of times over with all the extra revenue in season tickets and skybox sales. With our current structure, we've essentially reached a cap on season ticket sales, because anyone who can't sit in the grandstand isn't going to buy season tickets for those God awful bleachers that barely even let you see the field. Now, with more chairbacks and significantly better views to go along with the outstanding product on the field, our season tickets sales would dramatically increase.
I just think we have a real chance to have the best stadium in America, to go along with what is already the best atmosphere, and given some of our disadvantages with nearby recruiting talent (compared to FLA and UGA) and lack scholarships, this is something that we can absolutely control and would give us a HUGE advantage. We could take this thing to the next level and be a top 5 program on a national level. There is no doubt in my mind we can do it. This is the first time we've been able to say that about anything since baseball in the 1980s, and I don't want to wait another 30 years before we can say it again. We can take advantage of this and make a new, better stadium a priority, or we can settle for something that already has known problems and just simply will never be the best ever again. It wouldn't cost TOO much more, and it would pay for itself. If we are all about being the best that we can be in everything we do athletically, then this must be a priority as soon as football renovation is done.
And don't tell me this is about the money, because this thing would pay for itself at least a couple of times over with all the extra revenue in season tickets and skybox sales. With our current structure, we've essentially reached a cap on season ticket sales, because anyone who can't sit in the grandstand isn't going to buy season tickets for those God awful bleachers that barely even let you see the field. Now, with more chairbacks and significantly better views to go along with the outstanding product on the field, our season tickets sales would dramatically increase.
I just think we have a real chance to have the best stadium in America, to go along with what is already the best atmosphere, and given some of our disadvantages with nearby recruiting talent (compared to FLA and UGA) and lack scholarships, this is something that we can absolutely control and would give us a HUGE advantage. We could take this thing to the next level and be a top 5 program on a national level. There is no doubt in my mind we can do it. This is the first time we've been able to say that about anything since baseball in the 1980s, and I don't want to wait another 30 years before we can say it again. We can take advantage of this and make a new, better stadium a priority, or we can settle for something that already has known problems and just simply will never be the best ever again. It wouldn't cost TOO much more, and it would pay for itself. If we are all about being the best that we can be in everything we do athletically, then this must be a priority as soon as football renovation is done.
I would say Alex Box, Blue Bell Field, Baum Stadium, and OU are 1-4
Oxford-University's recent renovations are solid as well as their normal sight lines.
We're 5th ahead of Auburn and Alabama, who both have nice smaller parks that are nothing special, imo. AU and UA are more than likely tied for 6th.
But its clear 1-3 are head and shoulders better, while OU is just a bit better than ours due to recent renovations.
Oxford-University's recent renovations are solid as well as their normal sight lines.
We're 5th ahead of Auburn and Alabama, who both have nice smaller parks that are nothing special, imo. AU and UA are more than likely tied for 6th.
But its clear 1-3 are head and shoulders better, while OU is just a bit better than ours due to recent renovations.
You want a link to an opinion that is in some way more scientific than my own since it was published by some obscure webpage that ASSUREDLY didn't sit in the bleachers or likely otherwise experience the shortcomings of the park(most likely eating catered food in the pressbox)? OK**
The amenities of the stadium itself are, at BEST, fifth right now. Believe it or not -- I don't really care. I've been to every stadium in the west -- aTm being the only place that I've only seen once.
Ole Miss, aTm, LSU, Arky are unquestionably better. Plainsman is nicer -- but alot smaller and lacks premium seating. Sewell-Thomas is a ******** -- with a $35 million "renovation" on the horizon(aka a brand new stadium on the same site). At BEST, we could hope to match Ole Miss and aTm in a renovation(and we'll still have worse sightlines for everyone down the foul lines than both). No way to match the modern stadium designs at Arky and LSU without starting over...
Literally EVERY SINGLE ONE of our fans that I've talked to which are well-traveled in the division have come to the exact same conclusion that I have in that we've got to start over if we are going to continue being one of the Jones's. Anyone that thinks the Dude is "fine as is" simply labels themselves as MSU fans with a lack of overall perspective of what we're up against...
Got a link to that?**
Agreed. Swayze is significantly better/nicer than Dudy Noble right now as well. Anyone that's denying it is simply seeing what they want to see IMO. We're looking at spending at least 1/2 of the money of a brand new stadium simply to "re" surpass Swayze...possibly more...
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Well done. After reading that, I'm ready to put 5 baseball players on the field that have a football scholarship.
Reverse Bear Bryant style.
Reverse Bear Bryant style.
I've been to them all except AM. The SEC baseball stadiums are 1a) DNF and 1b) Alex Box. No one, not the recruits, players, or our fans, care if OM's stadium has more amenities. We were just named the best place to watch a college baseball game in the country. Link
Why should we spend $30MM to expand the gap between the #1 best place to watch a college baseball game and the #2 place? This isn't a video game. We can't just click a few buttons and be done with it.
My point - there are better areas to spend that $30MM for MSU baseball; improve our practice facilities, give Butch Thompson a raise, increase our recruiting budget, as compared to replacing the concrete grandstands.
1. I love DNF, but it isn't the best baseball stadium in the SEC. It's a really cool place, but the actual seating area, including the grandstands and bleachers (which is what we want fixed), isn't as good as LSU's, USC's, Arkansas's, UM's, or A&M's. There are others that could be better than DNF, but those are the stadiums that have unarguably better all around, non-outfield seating.
2. Yes, in my opinion DNF is the best place to watch college baseball... IF you have a seat in the grandstand or outfield. The bleachers are one of the worst spots in the SEC to watch a game, and we can't just expand the grandstand because that would lead to terrible sightlines. We'd simply be spending money without fixing the root problem. That's why, for everyone to be able to enjoy the great atmosphere, we must build a new, state-of-the-art grandstand. We also need to dramatically increase the premium seating options because there is huge demand for that. The DNF environment isn't in the current grandstand: it's in the people and in the LFL. As I said before, we'd be replacing our iconic stadium with another iconic stadium (see LSU).
3. That $30-$35 Mil is an investment. It's not like it's wasted money. We have a nice practice facility in the Palmero Center, plus a good bit of the practicing is done on the actual field anyway. Butch is already very highly paid, as he should be, and he and the rest of the staff are probably about to get even more raises. Would a new stadium not help with recruiting too? Like I said, this would not be wasted money. It's an investment that will see us returns for years to come, and it helps in more ways than just on game day.
If the Yankees can tear down Yankee Stadium, we sure as hell can tear down DNF
And just because we were subjectively named #1 to watch a game doesn't mean the facility can't be torn down, rebuilt to generate more revenue for the university, thus more revenue for coaches, recruiting, training etc. The Dudy Noble atmosphere is all about the fans with some LFL peppered in. We can rebuild the entire grandstand and, wait for it, STILL remain the #1 place to watch a game while also boosting baseball revenue.
And just because we were subjectively named #1 to watch a game doesn't mean the facility can't be torn down, rebuilt to generate more revenue for the university, thus more revenue for coaches, recruiting, training etc. The Dudy Noble atmosphere is all about the fans with some LFL peppered in. We can rebuild the entire grandstand and, wait for it, STILL remain the #1 place to watch a game while also boosting baseball revenue.
I like this guy. And I agree.
The only people saying a renovation is all we need, have never sat their asses in the bleachers and gotten a crick in their neck trying to watch the game.
Our ATMOSPHERE is what ranks us #1 in the country to watch a game....not our STADIUM. Big difference.
This is not the same as saying we have the best stadium in the country. We just don't. It was obvious from the beginning that there were some problems with the design of DNF (poor sight lines, obstructed views, and a 12-ft wall that makes no sense at all). It is a great place to watch a college baseball game. But there are several other stadiums that are much better facilities.
Did you just link a Bleacher Report "ranking"? You might as well have. An article that ranks Cal State Fullerton, Vanderbilt, Arizona, Rice, Tennessee, Charlotte, SeLA, Stanford, San Diego, and Texas Tech ahead of Ole Miss? Really? Sorry -- any ranking that doesn't include them in the top 5 for "best places to watch a college baseball game" at this point automatically disqualifies itself as a 17'ing joke. You HONESTLY believe that article has a better feel for SEC baseball than any of us here?
Because it's not #1. It's not #2. It's #5 or #6 IN THE DIVISION.
Our practice facilities are the best in the country. Or maybe you can show me another SEC baseball team with their own baseball-centric IPF? You want to pay Butch 30 million? Increase recruiting budget? No one in the country is outrecruiting us now.
So -- in summary -- we've got arguably the best practice facilities in the country. We've got one of the highest paid assistant coaches in the country. We've got a recruiting budget high enough to allow us to recruit nationally on an elite level as we are seeing more and more. AND you want to spend more money in those areas -- instead of fixing the one distinct area that we are falling further and further behind our peers and could conceivably EASILY end up dead last in our division once Bama rebuilds? That makes sense**
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No question that the cost-benefit is a huge issue. It may be a better use of money to put some band-aids on the current stadium than build a new one from scratch. But we won't wind up with a top-notch stadium that way. As for doing it in 1 off-season, an easy fix for that would be to build on another site.
Go fix our schedule, LT. Got to love the "we can't" thinking -- that's also the first to ***** when "we don't". "Flat out dreamers"? Care to show me when USCe obtained a better, more passionate baseball fanbase than MSU? That's what I thought.
The point is simple. In baseball, we have ALWAYS been the Jones's. Lately, we've been asleep at the wheel -- but the past 3 years are opening alot of eyes to the fact that we can STILL be the same nationally prominent SOB's we were in the 80s on the field -- and certainly off. You can be happy with second-rate ******** if you want to -- but don't expect the rest of us to follow suit.
Why does it have to be done in one offseason? You can EASILY do it in sections. Remove the bleachers and start in those corners. Tear down one side of the grandstands at a time. Etc. Of course it results in a temporary loss of capacity -- but the place is never full anyway until the postseason.
Trustmark Park was build from beginning to end in 10 months for under $30 million total. That's with having no pre-existing infrastructure in place. Why can we not do the same at Dudy Noble?
Also, the CURRENT Dudy Noble was built in a single offseason(under 9 months) in 1987...