to preventing big schools from "stealing" players, only allow ALL schools to accept one transfer, per year.
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personally i think its horse ****. i don't care about the argument about coaches can leave and blah blah blah. we give them a free education, free housing, free food. lets teach these kids some things that will stay with them. like commitment, their word meaning something, sticking something out when its hard, etc. i don't care that coaches can leave and stay and do whatever they want to do. that means nothing to me when it comes to the kids and how they carry themselves through life.
Lets take this out of sports. Let's say you are an aviation engineer and you get recruited by Northrop and the head of your field for Northrup tells you they want you and that you are going to be running your own group in a year. They pay all their engineers $100,000 dollars effectively giving you a free education, free housing and free food. Now you are signed to a one year contract, but are assured the next 1 year contract is pretty automatic. So year one goes by and they have treated you fairly, but a few things have happened that have not lived up to your liking or expectations. Also right before you sign your next one year contract the original guy that hired you and made you these promises moves on to Boeing. The new director has thoughts to reorganize the entire department and for whatever reason maybe he just has some favorites or people he is impressed with and a person hired the same time as you is given a group and a new guy who is from MIT comes in brand new and is given a department. It sure seems your assurances maybe are not actually there any longer. Now let's add to this little scenario the fact that all the major aviation companies have an organization they setup to have rules concerning all engineers in their employ. These rules include agreeing to salaries you can pay engineers and an agreement not to poach anyone in the employ of one of them. They have colluded to prevent the wholesale movement of engineers because it would be so disruptive for them; but department heads can move anytime they want.
Do you show loyalty and sign on again? They were fine to you. You were paid a fair wage that all other's also got. I hope not and you would probably sue the organization that allows the collusion.
Do you show loyalty and sign on again? They were fine to you. You were paid a fair wage that all other's also got. I hope not and you would probably sue the organization that allows the collusion.
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Personally, I see both sides, but
I think the point of getting a scholarship to play football is using a sport to get an education. The NCAA and growth of college football has turned that idea into using football to get drafted. If you play for a coach that can highlight your talent, you have a better chance to get paid the big bucks on Sunday/Monday/Thursday.
We have warped the "scholarship" into a thing of not having to pay for school so you can play in the NFL. That's not what it was intended to be.
I think the point of getting a scholarship to play football is using a sport to get an education. The NCAA and growth of college football has turned that idea into using football to get drafted. If you play for a coach that can highlight your talent, you have a better chance to get paid the big bucks on Sunday/Monday/Thursday.
We have warped the "scholarship" into a thing of not having to pay for school so you can play in the NFL. That's not what it was intended to be.
Well I have said this before but why can't it be that? Why can't you actually educate these people with special talents to actually pursue the career they want to pursue? There are legitimate scholarly topics these people can use in there career. Things like Marketing, Communications, contract law, Business etc. Everyone else goes to college to study for the career they want to have. Athletes that want to be professionals in sports are the only ones that must major is something else. Hell they aren't even allowed to work with the highest paid teacher in the school at certain times during the year and day. Imagine telling a pre-law student they can only go to the law library for 1 hour a day and only can't talk to their professor for the month of January.
I said it was a one year $100,000 contract. That takes care of your necessities and let's you live fairly nicely. It is a one year contract by the choice of Northrup and the aviation engineers employment organization. There are no aviation companies that are allowed to offer you more or for a longer time. They want it as a one year contract so if you don't live up to their hopes or someone better comes along they can get rid of you.
It is a dead on comparison.
It is a dead on comparison.
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Let's take it out of private sector since most universities are publicly funded, ie government.
So now you are the Air Force mechanic that works on the Northrop engine. You signed up for 6 years active and 2 inactive. You and your buddies make $19k a year plus a dorm room and meal plan. You get shipped in and out of combat zones all the time.
Meanwhile you hear about $100k a year engineers at Northrop and college football players bitching about what's not fair. Yet if you want to quit after 4 years you end up somewhere between ruining your life and turning big rocks into little rocks.
You look at the football player and engineer and you say:
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Well, it is a university, intended to educate young people in search of education. Sports are extra-curricular. Maybe there should be a farm league for the NFL like there is for baseball. If anything is messed up, it is the limitation that an 18 y.o. can't go straight to the NFL by rule. Take that away and what is left to whine about? If they can make the cut, go pro, if not get an education because you will likely need it. Play football as an extra-curricular activity if you'd like. Let's face it athletics and academia make a bad marriage at all ages and the whole educational system is messed up from soup to nuts.
Boy you are being intentionally dense. The point is if you have all the aviation companies colluding to say for the first 4 years of your career they will only pay an amount they want to pay and you have no recourse to go to another company because this organization setup the rules so you can't move even though it is not working out like you hoped it is not LEGAL for companies to do that because it is unfair. Once they control the entire market, you have no options.
What if we just let the schools sponsor football programs like Nascar and don't require anyone to actually attend schools. This could be a true minor league system. Have a draft, Allow trades and free agents. If they want to go to school they can but under contract their job is to play football. If we get rid of the academics part we would have a much better product and a much more fair league.
No athletic departments are funded by the public supposedly. They make their own way by millions and have a fixed employment cost. And it does not cost them anywhere near the "value" of the education they provide. So that argument is not valid.
Last time it was tried it was called indentured servitude.
And yes going into the service is similar. They have no recourse, other than private security, because the laws allow the monopoly of that service also.
Last time it was tried it was called indentured servitude.
And yes going into the service is similar. They have no recourse, other than private security, because the laws allow the monopoly of that service also.
No. I'm not. You're suggesting that a school should invest in developing a player, both in terms of the financial commitment and having that player count against their scholarship limit, for 2-3 years, and then when he's finally ready to contribute, he can just transfer out for free. There's no harm in making him sit out a year, though I do agree that year shouldn't count against his 5 to play 4 and the school shouldn't be able to limit his ability to get a scholarship at his next school.
And what percentage of music majors become the Imagine Dragons or Drama people become Tom Hanks Movie Star or film school graduates become George Lucas? Probably less than 2%. Not the schools problem.
But if you give them classes that will help them chase their career of choice and are also transferable to careers off the field, you did good.
But if you give them classes that will help them chase their career of choice and are also transferable to careers off the field, you did good.
And plenty of athletes went to school and did not become professional athletes but are doing fine in something other than what they majored in. I just would have liked to be backed 100% to try and do what I wanted instead of having to skirt around the edges to do it.
My point is still that there are plenty of things universities provide an education for that are very limited in jobs in that field. Just that anyone who wants to try and do those jobs, gets to go to school for that purpose alone whether they are on scholarship or not.
My point is still that there are plenty of things universities provide an education for that are very limited in jobs in that field. Just that anyone who wants to try and do those jobs, gets to go to school for that purpose alone whether they are on scholarship or not.
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BUT THEY DO!
If they get out of their pockets totally and have a fair procedure for movement when it doesn't work out, that would be okay.
If they get out of their pockets totally and have a fair procedure for movement when it doesn't work out, that would be okay.
I bet football players need college to prove they are ready for nfl a lot more than I needed a mechanical engineering degree to prove I was ready to be in manufacturing/business.
Football players don’t have a legitimate argument. They get compensated and it’s fair compensation.
Football players don’t have a legitimate argument. They get compensated and it’s fair compensation.
No, we need a step better than that. Go to the baseball model, or at least what collegiate baseball used to be. Have the NFL form their own developmental league for players who would rather skip school and pursue their dream of professional athletics. Let college football be for student-athletes who are either not yet ready for pro ball, or have no interest in a future career in football (or basketball). Yes, college football will be far less talented. Let the sidewalk fans follow the new developmental league if they are no longer impressed by college football.
This won't solve all the problems of college sports, but it will solve a lot of them, including the transfer issue. I would be fine with an open transfer policy as long as the student-athlete is able to maintain progress towards a degree.
We might also be able to have college sports programs without requiring tens of millions in donations every year.
This won't solve all the problems of college sports, but it will solve a lot of them, including the transfer issue. I would be fine with an open transfer policy as long as the student-athlete is able to maintain progress towards a degree.
We might also be able to have college sports programs without requiring tens of millions in donations every year.
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That could work. Emphasizes that there are limited spots. Kids may not want to transfer if they don’t think it’s plausible they get the spot
This would make more sense if scholarships were given for more than 1 year.
And you keep using this word- FREE. None of that is free. Scholarships are an agreement and that **** you mention is provided at the cost of the player’s being on the team which makes the university money.
I love that you mention teaching them commitment when the very people who are supposed to teach them commitment, coaches, can leave when they want. The irony there is really quality.
And I also love that a program can push a player out to make room for a new recruit, yet you claim commitment should mean something.
17 that BS you are spewing.
I don't feel there's a logical way to pay student athletes a salary. It will lead to the separation of football from most universities and the creation of an independent minor league system. It will then spread to other sports.
As soon as the first sanctioned payment is paid, the clock starts ticking on the formation of a union. The union will push for the higher salaries and so on and so forth. Most schools will not be able to keep up with the few and it will all unravel.
It's a great system for colleges, the NFL, and fans. Do the student athletes get used, probably. But it's not a bad deal for most. It's completely optional. There are much harder ways to pay for college.
As soon as the first sanctioned payment is paid, the clock starts ticking on the formation of a union. The union will push for the higher salaries and so on and so forth. Most schools will not be able to keep up with the few and it will all unravel.
It's a great system for colleges, the NFL, and fans. Do the student athletes get used, probably. But it's not a bad deal for most. It's completely optional. There are much harder ways to pay for college.
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