The Fading Relevancy Of The NCAA And Different Needs Of The Power Five Leagues

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https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...or-the-power-five-to-break-away-from-the-fbs/

Why we may be reaching a tipping point for the Power Five to break away from the FBS

"The NCAA is becoming less and less relevant," said one Power Five president who did not wish to be identified. "I could see the Power Five conferences creating their own version of the NCAA."

Thompson calls it a "grand reckoning" between the NCAA's amateur ideal (the so-called "collegiate model") and athletic departments' for-profit business model.

"That is the greatest inherent friction of all time," Thompson said. "Those two [things] can't serve the same master mutually."

If the NCAA gets its wish for an antitrust exemption from Congress, it will not only lose a large part of that argument, it will lose part of its identity and power. In some way, the feds will be calling the shots with that much invested in the system.

The setting will not be unlike a pitch on "Shark Tank" where budding companies sell part of their equity to the highest bidder.

Think about it: The same association that defines itself as the benevolent overseer of athletics as a recreational complement to education will soon, grudgingly, watch athletes earn six figures based on their athletic fame. Those players would be "professionalized," which is essentially everything the NCAA is against.

"How they can maintain a position that is simply not justifiable?" said Ellen Staurowsky, professor of Sport Management at Drexel University. "If you look at the roots of amateurism, which has now been incorporated into court rulings, this whole idea of the revered tradition of amateurism [is false]."

More friction: The NCAA has done itself no favors with recent enforcement dealings.

Criticism continues to roil throughout college athletics over the North Carolina case that concluded 2 ½ years ago. The school avoided any major penalties despite what some saw as an 18-year pattern of continued academic fraud.

The NCAA also took no action after the Rice Commission -- assembled to clean up college basketball -- specifically asked for a clearer definition of academic conduct.

Further consternation was caused by the NCAA Board of Directors. It deemed there would be no appeal to rulings made in the new Independent Accountability Resolution Process. Memphis, NC State and Kansas basketball all recently entered that process. The NCAA has drawn strong criticism from NC State and Kansas as their cases continue.

The Supreme Court basically said it out loud for the first time back then: In that space, the NCAA was a monopoly.

Four-and-a-half decades later, the term has been worn out by critics, lawyers and judges. More and more, the question has emerged: How long can a modern monopoly last?
 

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The NCAA has proven themselves to be incompetent time and time again.

Regardless of how collegiate sports moves forward....it would be better to do it without the entity know as the NCAA.

They are an outdated concept.
 
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If this is the case the best thing for WVU would be to hit the gas pedal.
If we see the current system breaking down you need to make sure the school looks like one of the brightest fruits on the tree
 
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Matters what ESPN wants to do.

ESPN as of right now owns the TV rights to SEC, ACC, Texas and the rest of the Big 12 except Oklahoma.
They want USC and NDs football rights

FOX owns B1G.
They want to buy into the PAC 12 network and then split up the Big 12.


Ultimately almost everything with the P5 is in regards to big media. .

I have been a fan of the G5 having their own CFB playoff
None of those teams are getting in

Last year it could have possibly been
Memphis
App State
Boise State
Navy or Cincinnati
I would have watched those games.

But if you give them schools like Washington State, Wake Forest, TCU and Boston College it could make it interesting.
 
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Back in the day they kinda did before you could pause Live TV

You weren't going to take a **** when there was a good game on. Had to wait until ESPN put on the commercials.


Read the article

The setting will not be unlike a pitch on "Shark Tank" where budding companies sell part of their equity to the highest bidder.


They already have....
Media rights just not in college basketball because of the NCAA Tournament

College basketball schools could make college basketball even with or maybe more powerful than college football
 

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I would think ESPN would want P5 schools to leave NCAA. Not sure ESPN would want all 65 to break away but you gotta think they would love it if NCAA was gone.
 

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NCAA will have nobody to blame but themselves. After allowing transfer portals, future likeness deals and contracts for advertising products.

RIP the term student athlete.
 
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NCAA isn't exactly a separate entity as it was created by the schools itself
The question becomes do school want to the same thing with basketball that they did football.

If you pull the big schools out and they have their own NCAA Tournament you could have issues

But what happens to schools like Villanova and Gonzaga.
 

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NCAA isn't exactly a separate entity as it was created by the schools itself
The question becomes do school want to the same thing with basketball that they did football.

If you pull the big schools out and they have their own NCAA Tournament you could have issues

But what happens to schools like Villanova and Gonzaga.

Why would P5 care about Villanova and Gonzaga? Basketball is basketball. P5 doesn't have to have 65 freaking schools in the tournament. The 32 is plenty.

G5 can have their own set of rules and government.

The NCAA often likes to harp on tradition and the sanctity of the term student-athlete, but it fails to recognize its true roots.

The association in fact got its start because, at the time of its creation, football was in danger of being abolished as a result of being deemed too dangerous a sport.

During the 1905 season alone, 18 college and amateur players died during games. In response to public outcry, Theodore Roosevelt, an unabashed fan of the sport, gathered 13 football representatives at the White House for two meetings at which those in attendance agreed on reforms to improve safety. What would later become known as the NCAA was formed shortly after on the heels of this unifying safety agreement.

And so the question arises, how did the NCAA go from being an agreement to promote safety standards so as to prevent death on the playing field, to a multi-million dollar enterprise that seems most concerned with ensuring that student-athletes do not receive any compensation for their in-demand talents?

Why does an organization formed when the idea of paying money to attend a sporting event was in its infancy still operate under the same model?

In short, why does the NCAA still exist?

It can’t be to police college athletics to ensure nobody violates the arbitrary rules that they’ve dreamt up. After all, this is an organization that at once, denied the University of Iowa request to wear jersey’s honoring the death of a teammate, while at the same time, was unable to conduct a non-corrupt investigation into the allegations that a rich booster had bought University of Miami football and basketball players jewelry, prostitutes and had even paid for an abortion.

College sports could most definitely continue to exist outside of the confines of the NCAA. There’s no law stating that the governing body has to be in place for schools to compete against one another, and athletic departments are already in charge of scheduling many games.

Without the NCAA in place, schools would be welcome to pay players, which would be a disadvantage to schools that don’t have profitable athletic programs. This could be solved in multiple manners, the most obvious one being: If a school can’t afford to support a college sports team, they probably shouldn’t have a college sports team.

The slope isn’t as slippery as it’s often made out to be: People will pay money to watch certain college sports, so why shouldn’t the athletes who participate in these sports and drive the popularity of them get a cut?

If the NCAA truly wants to respect its roots, perhaps they should spend more time addressing the dangerous nature of football, which is the real reason the organization was created in the first place.

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Actually read the article you posted

Theodore Roosevelt, an unabashed fan of the sport, gathered 13 football representatives at the White House for two meetings at which those in attendance agreed on reforms to improve safety. What would later become known as the NCAA was formed shortly after on the heels of this unifying safety agreement.



NCAA is a collection of universities.
The schools give the NCAA the power itself.

Like you have NCAA and NAIA schools

You can have the larger schools create their own governing body if you want but ultimately the NCAA is a collection of 360+ universities
 
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The NCAA dates its formation to two White House conferences convened by President Theodore Roosevelt in the early 20th century in response to repeated injuries and deaths in college football which had "prompted many college and universities to discontinue the sport."[1] Following those White House meetings and the reforms which had resulted, Chancellor Henry MacCracken of New York University organized a meeting of 13 colleges and universities to initiate changes in football playing rules; at a follow-on meeting on December 28, 1905 in New York, 62 higher-education institutions became charter members of the Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States (IAAUS).[1] The IAAUS was officially established on March 31, 1906, and took its present name, the NCAA, in 1910.[1]
 

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NCAA for dummies: a brief history of intercollege athletics
Patrick Bell, Sports Editor|February 10, 2020

(NCAA was created to improve the safety of the game even if it was by one name or another doesn't matter. Schools do not have to be under the NCAA).

The IAAUS was officially established on March 31, 1906, and took its present name, the NCAA, in 1910. For several years, the NCAA was a discussion group and rules-making body, but in 1921, the first NCAA national championship was conducted: the National Collegiate Track and Field Championships. Date founded: March 31, 1906.

In the 1950s, the NCAA started working more with television, working out a $1 million contract to broadcast the rights of their sponsored sports. That opened up the door to more lucrative contracts in the future, which in turn made the NCAA more powerful in enforcement of the rules to its member institutions.

One such example of NCAA’s growing power was in the case against the Southern Methodist University football team. In the late 70s to the mid 80s, the SMU football team was one of the most powerful football programs in all of collegiate football. They grabbed many of the top recruits, including future NFL Hall of Famer in Eric Dickerson, which led them to win many games. The major problem with their program was that they were caught cheating multiple times by bribing recruits to attend SMU. It all came crashing down in 1987, when the NCAA instituted the “Death Penalty” where their 1987 season was canceled, and they were banned from participating in the 1988 season. This has left a negative impact on the program ever since, as they have only recorded three winning seasons and have lost out on billions of dollars.

(Perhaps the death penalty should return for any infraction. This sure would stop the BS on recruiting infractions).

Today, the NCAA is a multi-billion dollar organization, the largest collegiate organization in the world. It plays a part and hosts several national tournaments and championships in every sponsored sport. One example of this is their annual DI men’s basketball national tournament, dubbed “March Madness,” where 68 programs across the nation compete for the national championship.

According to investopedia.com, that three-week tournament alone made the NCAA $933 million. That tournament funds a majority of their revenue throughout the year.

As more and more money comes into the commercialization of intercollegiate sports, the more authority the NCAA has over its member institutions.

(I say cut the balls off the NCAA and it's billion dollar industry and form a real rules committee that enforces the law).
 
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We are the NCAA.
Every school is.

The question becomes does the big schools take the money and run
All of this other **** is propaganda. .

The same 5-10 schools will be running the new governing body. Not much is going to change with that.


The question is should 32-90 schools separate themselves in all sports and keep the money
Similar to what they did in football.

It is about $$$$, brother
Mainly the NCAA basketball tournament.

That is why I brought up schools like Gonzaga and Villanova.
If the P5, AAC and MWC separate is their basketball tournament going to be bigger than the schools left in the NCAA.

Why Villanova, Gonzaga and the Georgetowns of the world are important in this.
 

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Quit kidding yourself. The schools don't give a flip about the NCAA. If they did they wouldn't be cheating their asses off at every turn. The schools and the people are not the NCAA. The NCAA was created by a committee to make the game safe and transformed into a freaking monster pile of green and greed.

P5 will survive without the NCAA. Small schools would survive without NCAA. So quit with your BS because you're flat out wrong.
 
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That committee were the actual schools..

Please inform me who makes up the NCAA if not the schools
Is it a secret society.

The big schools want to leave because of money. Plain and simple. They want to cut everyone out and keep the money from the NCAA Tournament.

The ending of the NCAA.... Will be all about GREED and $$$$ if it happens.

In terms of cheating.
That isn't going to change. The new governing body is going to hammer the little schools and look the other way when the big schools do the same thing
Because of the fact is the same 5-10 schools who control things.


Regarding the NCAA Tournament and that money.

People are going to have to really look at it
Do the small schools not in the P5 play the same role as the schools who do not.
 
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I see why you are easily confused about things.
You have the inability to comprehend what you read.

The truth has already been posted.
This is why most of the power positions in the NCAA are made up by people who are conference commissioners or presidents of universities.

You want to complain about cheating.
The SEC commissioner is the one in charge of handing out punishment
Reason why Ole Miss fans blame Alabama and think Bama did them dirty

NCAA is greedy...
But ultimately it is the schools who are. The top schools and they could leave what they created for even more money.
 
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The NCAA is a voluntary membership association with over 1,100 universities and colleges, over 19,000 teams, and over 460,000 students. Through the Association, rules and policies governing college sports are established by all the colleges and universities through a representative form of decision-making.

If they break up...

They take the biggest cash cows with them.

Ultimately everything is all about the NCAA Basketball Tournament and the NCAA Women's Basketball Tournament and Baseball Tournament to a lesser extent.

That is almost 100% of the revenue
 
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Blah blah blah....

The IAAUS was officially established on March 31, 1906, and took its present name, the NCAA, in 1910. For several years, the NCAA was a discussion group and rules-making body.

National Collegiate Athletic Association/Founder
Theodore Roosevelt

The NCAA dates its formation to two White House conferences convened by President Theodore Roosevelt in the early 20th century in response to repeated injuries and deaths in college football which had prompted many college and universities to discontinue the sport following those White House meetings and the reforms.
 
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He brought the universities together to have a governing body.

Before then you had numerous governing bodies.
Like the SIAA. Created for the purification of the Southern student athlete.
Pretty much a neo Confederacy association.
 

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The new P5 will more than likely have a commissioner like the pro sports. Since they are gonna pay to play, might as well use the pro model if running the business.