The impending explosion of the Dem party

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The huge issue that will split the Dems is socialism. Warren, Obama and Sanders are moving the party very far left. It will turn off capitalists and fiscal moderates. That will become far more important than social issues. Wall Street and Silicon Valley will never support a socialist economy.

You really need to get a clue as to what socialism really is.

You've really tried too hard today. Poor fella.
 

WVPATX

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You really need to get a clue as to what socialism really is.

You've really tried too hard today. Poor fella.

Lmao. So Sanders doesn't really understand socislism when he described himself as one? He's getting about 30% of the Dem vote. You're blind as a bat.
 

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My crystal ball says Joe Biden would do better against Trump than Hillary would. Biden would stand and duke it out with Trump while Hillary would shrink down and play the victim. But I am not sure if Trump will be the nominee because I'm not sure if he will stick it out. If he does stay in all the way, he will be the nominee. If its Hillary against Trump, Trump wins. A Biden/Trump matchup could go either way with Biden having a slight edge at this time.
No way in hell can Biden debate. He has, never in his life, stated anything in
60 seconds. At the end of five minutes, he still has not addressed the issued asked.
 

mneilmont

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I think you should consider the possibility that people that are not white Christian heterosexuals simply do not feel welcome in the Republican party
What is the reason they feel that way? Is it because they know the Dem leadership will continue the government "investment" in programs that make life easier for them at the peril of the country. They are more interested in the "Obama Money" than opportunity to provide for personal growth.

There is principally one party that believes it is the government's responsibility to provide for the people. And they do seem to get more and more support and they do demand that someone else pay the bills. Even Clinton was eventually persuaded to support welfare reform. Half of the people cannot support the entire society.
 

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Are you really not seeing the implications of that? People that vote Democrat are voting to help themselves rather than the country. And people that are not white Christian heterosexuals tend to vote Democrat more than people that are white Christian heterosexuals. Isn't it clear that the implication is that people that are not white Christian heterosexuals are more selfish than white Christian heterosexuals?

I think you should consider the possibility that people that are not white Christian heterosexuals simply do not feel welcome in the Republican party, regardless of what policies they believe in, and so they go with the Democrats because that is the only mainstream alternative.
I'm a Republican, not a Christian, and support Gay marriage. I feel very welcome in the party.
 

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What is the reason they feel that way? Is it because they know the Dem leadership will continue the government "investment" in programs that make life easier for them at the peril of the country. They are more interested in the "Obama Money" than opportunity to provide for personal growth.

There is principally one party that believes it is the government's responsibility to provide for the people. And they do seem to get more and more support and they do demand that someone else pay the bills. Even Clinton was eventually persuaded to support welfare reform. Half of the people cannot support the entire society.

I don't know why I keep making this same point over and over when no one will listen, but I do. If you say all the Dem voters vote Dem because they're lazy bums that just want gov't money and if the Dem voters are more widely represented amongst minority groups then you're saying that minority groups are lazy bums that just want gov't money. People in the GOP having that attitude is part of the reason why the minority groups don't like the GOP.

Consider Asian-Americans. They are the stereotypical hard workers that aren't on the dole, right? Well in 2008 62% of them voted for Obama. And then after four years of Obama, in 2012 73% of them voted for him again. Why? If don't want to hear it from me then google "why do asian americans vote Democrat" or something like that. Here is Politico's take but I'm sure you can find others.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/asian-americans-democrats-104763.html#.Vd-7j5erH-s
 

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They are the stereotypical hard workers that aren't on the dole, right?

 

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That doesn't answer the question of why minority groups (and not just ethnic minorities) vote more Dem than GOP, unless of course you're saying that minority groups like free handouts more than do white Christian heterosexuals.
Racist.
 

dave

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Are you really not seeing the implications of that? People that vote Democrat are voting to help themselves rather than the country. And people that are not white Christian heterosexuals tend to vote Democrat more than people that are white Christian heterosexuals. Isn't it clear that the implication is that people that are not white Christian heterosexuals are more selfish than white Christian heterosexuals?

I think you should consider the possibility that people that are not white Christian heterosexuals simply do not feel welcome in the Republican party, regardless of what policies they believe in, and so they go with the Democrats because that is the only mainstream alternative.
In some cases i think white non-christian heterosexuals are also just incoherent fuktards and they vote democrat because they are not smart enough to vote in their best interest.
 

WVPATX

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In some cases i think white non-christian heterosexuals are also just incoherent fuktards and they vote democrat because they are not smart enough to vote in their best interest.

Libs hand out free **** to the masses. They try and buy their votes. Good for Dems, disastrous for the country. Free cell phones anyone?
 

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How would you vote if all you heard was Republicans are only for big business, hate all minorities, want to take away all social programs and on and on. That mantra is generally put forth by the media and institutions of higher learning and has been since the late 60's. Another factor is in the names of the party. The word Democratic sounds very appealing since our country stands for it. To many of the uneducated and mentally challenged it sounds as the party that stands for them.
 

mneilmont

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I don't know why I keep making this same point over and over when no one will listen, but I do. If you say all the Dem voters vote Dem because they're lazy bums that just want gov't money and if the Dem voters are more widely represented amongst minority groups then you're saying that minority groups are lazy bums that just want gov't money. People in the GOP having that attitude is part of the reason why the minority groups don't like the GOP.

Consider Asian-Americans. They are the stereotypical hard workers that aren't on the dole, right? Well in 2008 62% of them voted for Obama. And then after four years of Obama, in 2012 73% of them voted for him again. Why? If don't want to hear it from me then google "why do asian americans vote Democrat" or something like that. Here is Politico's take but I'm sure you can find others.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/asian-americans-democrats-104763.html#.Vd-7j5erH-s
I thought it was dark skin groups hanging together. Do you have another and better reason? What is the Asian-American voting population? Politico? No thanks as a source. I have no idea what attracts them, and see no reason to invest a hell of a lot of time or resources in attempting to attract them at this point.

Should a political party state what they stand for or take polls and attempt to construct a party to satisfy all people? I think you are approaching the unrealistic.
 

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In some cases i think white non-christian heterosexuals are also just incoherent fuktards and they vote democrat because they are not smart enough to vote in their best interest.
The majority of Americans think rebel flag waving, bible thumping, automatic weapon toting, foreigner baiting, climate change denying white folk claiming to be persecuted as misguided too.
 

mneilmont

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I don't know why I keep making this same point over and over when no one will listen, but I do. If you say all the Dem voters vote Dem because they're lazy bums that just want gov't money and if the Dem voters are more widely represented amongst minority groups then you're saying that minority groups are lazy bums that just want gov't money. People in the GOP having that attitude is part of the reason why the minority groups don't like the GOP.

Consider Asian-Americans. They are the stereotypical hard workers that aren't on the dole, right? Well in 2008 62% of them voted for Obama. And then after four years of Obama, in 2012 73% of them voted for him again. Why? If don't want to hear it from me then google "why do asian americans vote Democrat" or something like that. Here is Politico's take but I'm sure you can find others.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/asian-americans-democrats-104763.html#.Vd-7j5erH-s
Also , for your consideration and input, could the Repubs attract any of the solid Dem members to cross over if Repubs would add a plank to the party, "we pledge to DOUBLE all government benefits you now receive"?

I do await your answer. All that would entail is a pledge to add to the deficit. It could be accomplished if our desire is to win an election and totally disregard the future of the country. Hillary is speaking of new and additional "investments". Does that appeal to Dems in this cycle? Answer the questions without double-talk would be appreciated.
 

mneilmont

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The majority of Americans think rebel flag waving, bible thumping, automatic weapon toting, foreigner baiting, climate change denying white folk claiming to be persecuted as misguided too.
Do you offer a link to that obviously loose quote? SNL or like show?
 

mneilmont

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No, I offer the fact Obama won reelection by a wide majority. The fact you would need a link indicates the bubble lives on.
I guess I am in over my head, if I missed that connection. And I am still confused, would you make a connection between Obama election and that other offering. Are you stretching just a bit, and there is no connection to be seen?