The ? Is the program better off or worse since Stans took over
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We still haven't moved forward from our sweet 16 and Final Four days, based on a national viewpoint. I work all over the U.S. and the thing I hear about the most from outsiders when talking about MSU is "I remember when you guys made the final four". They wouldn't know a damn thing about our coveted West banners or our "astonishing" 20 win seasons.
Right now we are in a "stall" and remember, if you're not moving forward, you're moving backwards.
Right now we are in a "stall" and remember, if you're not moving forward, you're moving backwards.
richard williams tenure had an upward trajectory.
under stansbury, we seem to be sputtering. quite often sending the "second most talented team in the SEC" to the foor...and having little to show for it.
do we want to be good enough.... or getting better?
under stansbury, we seem to be sputtering. quite often sending the "second most talented team in the SEC" to the foor...and having little to show for it.
do we want to be good enough.... or getting better?
Williams had 1 good year in 1991, then 2 great years in 1995-1996, but other than those 3 years his record was much worse than Stans. We had a losing record over Williams's last2 seasons and the program definitely wasn't moving in the right direction at the time. </p>
This is true. The program was in rough shape when Stans took over. Rob Evans had built Ole Miss into the dominant program in the state. There is a ton of revisionist history going on here just to try to make Stans look bad.<div>patdog said:
</div><div>There are enough legitimate issues with our program to make a change. We don't have to discount the positives from Rick's tenure.</div><div>
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Richard Williams never did that. I know the argument to this will be the sweet 16 and final four years. But anyone has to admit that under Stans, we have gotten some horrible draws in the tournament (UT in Dallas, Butler on fire, Duke in Charlotte, NCAA runner-up Memphis).
While this is true, it totally overlooks the smoking pile of dung that was MSU when WIlliams took over. <div>patdog said:
</div><div>When Stans took over MSU, we were looking back up. 1996 had been awesome but the whole freaking team left. Jone, Both WIlsons, and Dampier. So the 12-18 season in 1997 was disappointing, but should not be considered surprising. I wanted a better record than 15-15 in 1998, but we were making improvement again. And what people fail to consider is that Stansbury was supposedly the "recruiter" during all those seasons.</div><div>
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</div><div>So are we better off? Sure, because we are more consistent, but Williams left us in relatively better shape compare where we started before him than Stan will leave us. However that is a credit to what Williams managed to do, not a real knock on Stansbury.</div>
I know very well just how bad things were when Williams took over. Dick Vitale said the MSU job was the worst job in Division I, and he wasn't far from the truth. And Williams deserves a lot of credit for building the foundation that Stans built on. But even AFTER he had the progrm recovered from where it was, he still only made 3 NCAA tournaments and 2 NITs in his last 9 years.
And? I'm not trying to say that firing Williams was the wrong thing to do. Just that giving the starting point What Williams left will be greater than what Stan leaves, especially if Stans is allowed the Jackie Sherrill/ Ron Polk coaching trajectory. <div>patdog said:
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</div><div>Ironically this is probably a good example of even when LT made the right decision it still ultimately ended up wrong.</div>
Yo may not like what Stans has done the last couple of years but overall, as a program, we are better over the last 13 years combined that over the combined period of Williams. Williams had a couple of nice flash in the pan years but Stans, while not making the sweet 16, has more titles and tournament appearances over the whole tenure. So yes, the program as a whole is better off today that under Williams. Don't let the blind hatred of Stans cloud your judgment.
Yes, I think Stans needs to be let go tomorrow!
Yes, I think Stans needs to be let go tomorrow!