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Actually I just pulled up a transcript.

In regards to COVID, he said last night "We're rounding the corner. It's going away.” We just had our largest day for new cases since sometime in July, I believe. That’s not rounding the corner nor it is going away.

"We have a vaccine that's coming, it's ready.”
No vaccine has been approved nor has one completed its clinical trials. No vaccine has even been approved for emergency use. Therefore, no vaccine is ready

“99% of people recover. We have to recover. We can't close up our nation.”
2.6% of closed cases (either recovered or died) have resulted in a death.

He claimed 2.2 million people were expected to die from the virus. That was only if no preventative measures were installed

He said he closed and banned China. That is false. He restricted travel from China and his policy had exemptions. More than 40,000 people from China came to the US by early April AFTER he enacted the policy.

He said China paid $28 billion in tariffs. This is false and not even how tariffs work. American importers are paying the tariffs, not China.

“We have 180 million people out there that have great private health care. Far more than we're talking about with Obamacare. Joe Biden is going to terminate all of those policies”
Biden’s healthcare proposal includes a public OPTION (meaning not required) while allowing everyone with private insurance to be able to keep it.

Not a lie, but saying it’s only possible that Lincoln did more for black people than him is the height of idiocy. Lincoln emancipated the slaves. And Lyndon B. Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. Last I checked, Trump didn’t emancipate them and both acts have been weakened during his administration.

He said Biden called people super predators. That was actually her emails Hillary Clinton.

He said 400 new miles of border wall have been constructed. Most of what has been constructed is repairs to what already exists and even then new + repairs isn’t 400 miles yet.

He said less than 1% of immigrants return to court for their cases. In 2018, 75% showed up for their case.

He said the US has the cleanest air and water in the world. The US ranks 16th in air quality, 26th in quality and sanitation of drinking water.


No, that's all meaningless or intentionally ignorant, in its own self a lie.

Like:

He said Biden called people super predators. That was actually her emails Hillary Clinton.

Is a typical so-called fact checker so-called lie that is indeed it's own slight of hand lie... Biden did indeed call black criminals predators, here's video of it.


President Bill Clinton in 1994 signed the crime bill into law with broad bipartisan support as violent crime rates peaked in the US in the early 1990s. Included in the law was the federal "three strikes" provision, mandating life sentences for criminals convicted of a violent felony after two or more prior convictions, including drug crimes.
"We have predators on our streets that society has in fact, in part because of its neglect, created," said Biden, then a fourth-term senator from Delaware so committed to the bill that he has referred to it over the years as "the Biden bill."
"They are beyond the pale many of those people, beyond the pale," Biden continued. "And it's a sad commentary on society. We have no choice but to take them out of society."


It doesn't really matter that Hillary also called them verbatim precisely super predators, or that Biden merely called them predators beyond the pale, none of that makes it a lie.

The lies Biden tells, like the fine people hoax or the suckers fabrication, are of a corrosive nature and categorically far worse and more intentional; you just aren't aware of them because the corrupt mainstream media disinforms and misinforms you, leaving you only ever malinformed and drawing stupid conclusions because you don't have a command of the facts or reality.

They are decidedly unAmerican and disqualifying.


Those type of fact check lies you list there are a plague on information, knowledge and intelligent thought, good faith debate. Trump also said coyotes were smuggling children across the border, that is not a lie because animals aren't actually shepherding illegal immigrants across the rio grande like it's the call of the wild or some nonsense. All your list of lies are similarly as dumb, could be refuted by anyone who is actually informed.

You folks [eyeroll]need to come to terms with your TDS, it's no excuse for voting for a treasonous administration that seeks to undo foundational American values.
 

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No, that's all meaningless or intentionally ignorant, in its own self a lie.

Like:

He said Biden called people super predators. That was actually her emails Hillary Clinton.

Is a typical so-called fact checker so-called lie that is indeed it's own slight of hand lie... Biden did indeed call black criminals predators, here's video of it.


President Bill Clinton in 1994 signed the crime bill into law with broad bipartisan support as violent crime rates peaked in the US in the early 1990s. Included in the law was the federal "three strikes" provision, mandating life sentences for criminals convicted of a violent felony after two or more prior convictions, including drug crimes.
"We have predators on our streets that society has in fact, in part because of its neglect, created," said Biden, then a fourth-term senator from Delaware so committed to the bill that he has referred to it over the years as "the Biden bill."
"They are beyond the pale many of those people, beyond the pale," Biden continued. "And it's a sad commentary on society. We have no choice but to take them out of society."


It doesn't really matter that Hillary also called them verbatim precisely super predators, or that Biden merely called them predators beyond the pale, none of that makes it a lie.

The lies Biden tells, like the fine people hoax or the suckers fabrication, are of a corrosive nature and categorically far worse and more intentional; you just aren't aware of them because the corrupt mainstream media disinforms and misinforms you, leaving you only ever malinformed and drawing stupid conclusions because you don't have a command of the facts or reality.

They are decidedly unAmerican and disqualifying.


Those type of fact check lies you list there are a plague on information, knowledge and intelligent thought, good faith debate. Trump also said coyotes were smuggling children across the border, that is not a lie because animals aren't actually shepherding illegal immigrants across the rio grande like it's the call of the wild or some nonsense. All your list of lies are similarly as dumb, could be refuted by anyone who is actually informed.

You folks [eyeroll]need to come to terms with your TDS, it's no excuse for voting for a treasonous administration that seeks to undo foundational American values.
This is a fantastic, truthful and to the point post. Thank you.
 

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For some reason the odds on Trump got worse today. I figured after the debate, considering the general feedback, they'd have tightened. He was +125 and Biden was -165 on Wednesday. Today, Biden is -185 and Trump is +135. Still lots of free money out there. Even if Trump loses, betting him at big time plus odds is a winning strategy.

Odds trend- I've got $1500 on Trump at +160, $1000 on Trump at +170, and $1000 on Trump at +155. As soon as the odds get close to even I'll hedge most of that on Biden and freeroll for a few grand.



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I think each side heard what they wanted and expected to hear from their candidate, the bottom line is this debate doesn't change much, I think the cake is baked at this point.

Which is why it makes you wonder why they do a debate this late in the game since early voting has been ramping up for a while.
 

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I think each side heard what they wanted and expected to hear from their candidate, the bottom line is this debate doesn't change much, I think the cake is baked at this point.
Yeah I can't understand the interviewing of undecided voters, as if there are any at this point.
 
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I think each side heard what they wanted and expected to hear from their candidate, the bottom line is this debate doesn't change much, I think the cake is baked at this point.
The cake may be baked, but the oven is still on until close of voting on election day. At least one voter in this thread made a decision based on what he learned in the debate. And yes, the debates should start earlier.

There is important information still being released, like the Biden corruption story, and it is being suppressed.

Free, open flow of information in this country is under attack. The MSM and big tech social media giants are doing all they can to prevent it. It seems to me they are following their desired recipe and don't want their cake to burn.

This should be scary as hell to any freedom loving American. It certainly is to me. I don't want my thinking controlled by the ideological establishment social engineers.
 

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The cake may be baked, but the oven is still on until close of voting on election day. At least one voter in this thread made a decision based on what he learned in the debate. And yes, the debates should start earlier.

There is important information still being released, like the Biden corruption story, and it is being suppressed.

Free, open flow of information in this country is under attack. The MSM and big tech social media giants are doing all they can to prevent it. It seems to me they are following their desired recipe and don't want their cake to burn.

This should be scary as hell to any freedom loving American. It certainly is to me. I don't want my thinking controlled by the ideological establishment social engineers.

Then don’t watch. I don’t watch news, I don’t have Facebook or twitter, etc. If you choose to partake of those destructive mediums, that’s on you, chief.
 
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For some reason the odds on Trump got worse today. I figured after the debate, considering the general feedback, they'd have tightened. He was +125 and Biden was -165 on Wednesday. Today, Biden is -185 and Trump is +135. Still lots of free money out there. Even if Trump loses, betting him at big time plus odds is a winning strategy.

Odds trend- I've got $1500 on Trump at +160, $1000 on Trump at +170, and $1000 on Trump at +155. As soon as the odds get close to even I'll hedge most of that on Biden and freeroll for a few grand.

That’s because 50 million people have already voted, which is over 1/3 of 2016 turnout, and there are far fewer undecided voters at this point in the year than in 2016. The vast majority of people of remaining likely voters have already decided who they are voting for.
 

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Da Brown vote will be very telling

Think more “minorities” are switching

Along with the Undecideds aka independents

Turnip 2024
 
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The cake may be baked, but the oven is still on until close of voting on election day. At least one voter in this thread made a decision based on what he learned in the debate. And yes, the debates should start earlier.

There is important information still being released, like the Biden corruption story, and it is being suppressed.

Free, open flow of information in this country is under attack. The MSM and big tech social media giants are doing all they can to prevent it. It seems to me they are following their desired recipe and don't want their cake to burn.

This should be scary as hell to any freedom loving American. It certainly is to me. I don't want my thinking controlled by the ideological establishment social engineers.
What is scary to me is that you can go off on fringe websites with 10% of the population that thinks exactly like yourself and then radicalize each other into believing that the rest of the world is lying and you all have the only source of truth. Trumpism is an offshoot of this, but it has really become a religion. It is now complete with it's own militias and everything. You have been brainwashed by conspiracy and lies and the rest of us have no idea how to fix it. We are just living with the consequences.
 

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What is scary to me is that you can go off on fringe websites with 10% of the population that thinks exactly like yourself and then radicalize each other into believing that the rest of the world is lying and you all have the only source of truth. Trumpism is an offshoot of this, but it has really become a religion. It is now complete with it's own militias and everything. You have been brainwashed by conspiracy and lies and the rest of us have no idea how to fix it. We are just living with the consequences.
Fact: The Biden corruption is not a conspiracy. We have hard evidence for it and it is not being reported by > 90% of the MSM.

Fact: The last 4 years, The left has tried endlessly to remove Trump using fabricated lies.

Trump is not running against Joe Biden. Biden's campaign is a joke. He's running against the Washington establishment and their MSM allies with the strong support of big tech.

One of us is deluded and being played as a fool. I've looked at it from every objective angle and I am 100% confident in my position. The fate of our country rests on the results of this election.
 
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Then don’t watch. I don’t watch news, I don’t have Facebook or twitter, etc. If you choose to partake of those destructive mediums, that’s on you, chief.
That is not the point, "chief". Facebook, Twitter, and Google are by far the primary platforms that disseminate information now days. They have no serious competition. They are integrated into the entire flow of information. Control the flow of information and you control the minds of the masses.

They are censoring content and suppressing views which oppose their leftist political agenda. This is not a wild conspiracy theory.

The NY Post has been banned by Twitter to silence their story on Joe Biden's corruption. A story that has actual supporting evidence, unlike the fabricated Russia collusion BS that was pushed for the last 4 years. This is a big deal.

How can a presidential candidate who took money from China (among other countries) for his political influence negotiate on behalf of American interests? He can't. If Trump doesn't win and make huge strides to clean up the corruption in the media and the IC, America as we know it is over. It's that simple.
 

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That is not the point, "chief". Facebook, Twitter, and Google are by far the primary platforms that disseminate information now days. They have no serious competition. They are integrated into the entire flow of information. Control the flow of information and you control the minds of the masses.

They are censoring content and suppressing views which oppose their leftist political agenda. This is not a wild conspiracy theory.

The NY Post has been banned by Twitter to silence their story on Joe Biden's corruption. A story that has actual supporting evidence, unlike the fabricated Russia collusion BS that was pushed for the last 4 years. This is a big deal.

How can a presidential candidate who took money from China (among other countries) for his political influence negotiate on behalf of American interests? He can't. If Trump doesn't win and make huge strides to clean up the corruption in the media and the IC, America as we know it is over. It's that simple.

Maybe for you since you’re a sheep who lives on social media. I feel bad for you.
 
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What is scary to me is that you can go off on fringe websites with 10% of the population that thinks exactly like yourself and then radicalize each other into believing that the rest of the world is lying and you all have the only source of truth. Trumpism is an offshoot of this, but it has really become a religion. It is now complete with it's own militias and everything. You have been brainwashed by conspiracy and lies and the rest of us have no idea how to fix it. We are just living with the consequences.
It’s not a religion, it’s a cult.
 
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Fact: The Biden corruption is not a conspiracy. We have hard evidence for it and it is not being reported by > 90% of the MSM.

Fact: The last 4 years, The left has tried endlessly to remove Trump using fabricated lies.

Trump is not running against Joe Biden. Biden's campaign is a joke. He's running against the Washington establishment and their MSM allies with the strong support of big tech.

One of us is deluded and being played as a fool. I've looked at it from every objective angle and I am 100% confident in my position. The fate of our country rests on the results of this election.
Even Fox News didn’t want to run with it because it lacked credibility. There’s a reason the only organization that would take the story is a tabloid and even then many people at the company didn’t even want to put their name on it.

It’s the same **** that the Republican Senators twice said isn’t true after doing their own investigations of it.

But it’s fine if you want to believe in a fairy tale. That’s your choice.
 
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Even Fox News didn’t want to run with it because it lacked credibility. There’s a reason the only organization that would take the story is a tabloid and even then many people at the company didn’t even want to put their name on it.

It’s the same **** that the Republican Senators twice said isn’t true after doing their own investigations of it.


This isn't going to age well for you. Are you sure you want to take such a hardline stance?
 

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It’s not a stance, it’s merely a statement of fact.

Curious what your thoughts are on the trump Russian investigation that was proven to lack any evidence at any point?

Also, Biden was never proven innocent, they lacked the evidence to say conclusively. The evidence they were seeking is now out there. Just a matter of time for Biden.

If this were trump and his son, you'd be having a major meltdown screaming about corruption. Sucks that its your guy...
 

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Even Fox News didn’t want to run with it because it lacked credibility. There’s a reason the only organization that would take the story is a tabloid and even then many people at the company didn’t even want to put their name on it.

It’s the same **** that the Republican Senators twice said isn’t true after doing their own investigations of it.

But it’s fine if you want to believe in a fairy tale. That’s your choice.

The MSM does a remarkable job keeping democrats ignorant, although it's mostly willful. Fox has reported on the story as have others, just little to nothing by the MSM. Do you live under a rock? You still don't realize that the MSM is part of the democrat machine.

A disgruntled business partner who felt betrayed because the Bidens dissed him and didn't give him his "fair" cut of the China booty flipped and turned over his 3 cell phones to the FBI. They contain texts implicating Joe. Surely you've seen that.

Hell, there are web sites with links to the leaked contents of Biden's laptop so you can read some of the e-mails and texts which implicate Joe yourself and if you dare, watch the disgusting videos of Hunter smoking crack while banging what appears to be underage girls. I'd use a VPN though if you look at the latter.

Interesting that Joe called a lid today when more laptop corruption evidence was released. It's all coming out, and there is enough to destroy not only the Bidens, but several other democrats as well. The corrupt IC has protected them in the past, but the cat is out of the bag now. We'll see what happens.

I think Trump is going to win even without this latest scandal. The margin will only be limited by the amount of ballot fraud by the dems. They have much more to lose than the election, so I won't be surprised if some dem governors refuse to certify their state's electoral votes. Things will get really ugly if that happens.
 
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Curious what your thoughts are on the trump Russian investigation that was proven to lack any evidence at any point?

Also, Biden was never proven innocent, they lacked the evidence to say conclusively. The evidence they were seeking is now out there. Just a matter of time for Biden.

If this were trump and his son, you'd be having a major meltdown screaming about corruption. Sucks that its your guy...
What part of it are you saying lacked evidence? It’s been proven fact that Russia was meddling in the election, and they are again this year.
 
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What part of it are you saying lacked evidence? It’s been proven fact that Russia was meddling in the election, and they are again this year.

What part of the trump Russia investigation was confusing? Remember the fake collusion investigation that lacked even a single shred of evidence, but was the daily big story for all the MSM? Were you awake for those 3 years?
 

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I'll never forget the pure hell the lying democrats put the America people through during the Fake Russia Collusion and Fake Ukrainian impeachment nonsense. Scum of the Earth. I don't always like Republicans, but I'll never vote for another democrat for as long as I live.
 

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Ya know, I thought about qualifying my comment with that, but I thought it was obvious that I meant platforms other than this board.

I don’t count this as social media since it’s a right wing echo chamber that I mostly laugh at.
 
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These people don't realize they've been played, and won't until it's too late.

The advocate media, hollywood, and their tech overlords are only going to get worse, more and more of their brainwashing whether they win or lose.



It’s not a stance, it’s merely a statement of fact.

They only give you some of the facts, purposefully omitting some of the most pertinent.
 
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What part of the trump Russia investigation was confusing? Remember the fake collusion investigation that lacked even a single shred of evidence, but was the daily big story for all the MSM? Were you awake for those 3 years?
There were multiple facets to the investigation. Are you incapable of reading or just listen to whatever Info Wars or Storm Front tells you to believe?
 
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These people don't realize they've been played, and won't until it's too late.

The advocate media, hollywood, and their tech overlords are only going to get worse, more and more of their brainwashing whether they win or lose.





They only give you some of the facts, purposefully omitting some of the most pertinent.


Left and right do this equally. The fact that you all try to say it’s only the left just shows you’ve been sucked in just like your counterparts on the left. If the last four years hasn’t shown you that ALL politicians are dirtbags that will screw over anyone then you haven’t really been paying attention.
 
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I agree that the left and right are equally complicit in a whole bunch of nonsense.

The right doesn't own tech, media, and entertainment like the left does though. That's me being objective, not a member of some you all... I'm a pro-Trump center left person politically if a label has to be applied.

I've always known all politicians are full of it.. that's why I voted for Trump, who isn't (wasn't) a politician, who has had demonstrably (arguably) the best four year term of any president in modern history
 

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Left and right do this equally. The fact that you all try to say it’s only the left just shows you’ve been sucked in just like your counterparts on the left. If the last four years hasn’t shown you that ALL politicians are dirtbags that will screw over anyone then you haven’t really been paying attention.
So assuredly you want to hedge and not put the party in power that wants you to pay more taxes into this system of dirtbags and expand the federal govt reach?
 
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So good that the only Presidents on the record with a lower net approval rating this far into their presidency are Jimmy Carter and Bush #1.

TDS is real... created by the same idiots I mentioned earlier doing the brainwashing and forming your opinions for you.

What's good is not determined by what's popular (those opinions), but by demonstrable results. No president has had the type of results Trump has had in basically every single metric that actually matters except dealing with a politicized virus and placating the feelings of the left.

There, yes, he's been very bad. Maybe if he was actually an authoritarian, he would've stomped out your collective temper tantrum before it cost so much damage and ruined so many lives.
 
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