The last debate thread of 2020
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Fox is high rated because they've cornered a market.
And there's nothing intrinsically better about being independent; it's perfectly fine to be staunchly liberal or conservative. What you don't want to be is anti-American.
I'm anti-Dem because basically everything they do since Obama left office has been about power, despicable and unAmerican, like their attempt to reracialize society, coup a duly elected president through a sham impeachment, and so on. I now eagerly vote straight R every single time since then, even for dog catcher as a form of protest.
I've been posting here for like 20 years, people still around then know I voted Obama and supported him (wrongly I now concede) during the time, but I guess McCain/Romney would've likely been worse we'll never know. The main reason I voted against Clinton (but there were many) was she would've continued the failed Obama foreign policy of which she was directly responsible for as secretary of state. Four years ago we had ISIS, a failed Arab spring, a mad man chucking missiles across Japan's bow, total destruction in Syria (what's Aleppo?), drowned children washing up on the shores of Greece, people driving trucks through citizens celebrating christmas in European cities and NYC once on bikers like it's grand theft auto, and a larger mess in other ways I'm probably forgetting.
Now, four years later, Trump is basically single-handedly, art of the deal style creating world peace except for some well-fundedcivil rights protest global communist revolution that the dems are eager to support.
All the Democrat party has to do for me to consider them again is come back to reality, support our foundational American liberal values. Threatening toreimagine the supreme court pack the court, add states, take away the electoral college, or riot if they don't get their way is decidedly not that but destroying our incredible system of checks and balances and destroying our foundational American values.
When you vote Biden, you are voting for that destruction. dgtatu there thinks all Trump voters do so because they've been hoodwinked by Qanon facebook conspiracies, but the reality is this: 40% vote no matter what D, 40% no matter what R, the rest vote becuase they can't manage their TDS or they understand what's actually at stake here.
And there's nothing intrinsically better about being independent; it's perfectly fine to be staunchly liberal or conservative. What you don't want to be is anti-American.
I'm anti-Dem because basically everything they do since Obama left office has been about power, despicable and unAmerican, like their attempt to reracialize society, coup a duly elected president through a sham impeachment, and so on. I now eagerly vote straight R every single time since then, even for dog catcher as a form of protest.
I've been posting here for like 20 years, people still around then know I voted Obama and supported him (wrongly I now concede) during the time, but I guess McCain/Romney would've likely been worse we'll never know. The main reason I voted against Clinton (but there were many) was she would've continued the failed Obama foreign policy of which she was directly responsible for as secretary of state. Four years ago we had ISIS, a failed Arab spring, a mad man chucking missiles across Japan's bow, total destruction in Syria (what's Aleppo?), drowned children washing up on the shores of Greece, people driving trucks through citizens celebrating christmas in European cities and NYC once on bikers like it's grand theft auto, and a larger mess in other ways I'm probably forgetting.
Now, four years later, Trump is basically single-handedly, art of the deal style creating world peace except for some well-funded
All the Democrat party has to do for me to consider them again is come back to reality, support our foundational American liberal values. Threatening to
When you vote Biden, you are voting for that destruction. dgtatu there thinks all Trump voters do so because they've been hoodwinked by Qanon facebook conspiracies, but the reality is this: 40% vote no matter what D, 40% no matter what R, the rest vote becuase they can't manage their TDS or they understand what's actually at stake here.
Lol at @SomeDudeCRO claiming to be centrist. All you ever spout is Republican propaganda fed to you straight from the likes of Infowars and Qanon. Just admit you’re a far right radical and get it over with instead of playing this farcical game of nonsense.
Overall I like this post, but I feel the need to point out that demonstrably and arguably are in direct conflict with each other. You'd need to remove one of those terms for your point to have any merit
CRO raises a lot of good points and I believe what he says about his positions. I'm probably very closely aligned politically with CRO although I have an outright dislike for Trump based on how his acolytes act. The average run of the mill normal American who votes republican doesn't bother me at all - it's the over the top idiots who think Trump was sent here by Jeebus himself to save us all. And yes, I thought and think the same thing about hardcore Obama supporters. Brainwashed morons, the lot of them.
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Cant knock someone for having their own informed opinion and filter. We might disagree but CRO keeps it civil and I appreciate being able to discuss this stuff without it devolving into a pedder/nazi insult fest. The fringes of both sides are pushing our country to dangerous extremes. We need to shift the mainstream thinking back to the middle or were going to end up too divided to maintain our country I’m afraid.
It’s really disgusting to see both sides campaigning on the idea that the other party will kill everyone if their side loses when the reality is everything always stays the same and it’s just which crooks get to syphon off the money.
It’s really disgusting to see both sides campaigning on the idea that the other party will kill everyone if their side loses when the reality is everything always stays the same and it’s just which crooks get to syphon off the money.
“BUT FOX IS MAINSTREAM!!111!1!!1!! ARGGGHHHHH!!!1!1!1!!1” is the dumbest GD point ever made in the history of this site.
Congrats - you found one news source that leans 52/48 in positive/negative reporting of the President. When all else is flipped 98/2 sure, Fox comes across as a wing-nut news source despite being as close to 50/50 as you can get.
Juxtaposed to the 95/5 negative/positive reporting from - takes a deep breath - NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, every major newspaper, Vox, Vice, Slate, twitter, Facebook, google, yahoo, AP, Reuters, NPR, and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on........
FOH.
Congrats - you found one news source that leans 52/48 in positive/negative reporting of the President. When all else is flipped 98/2 sure, Fox comes across as a wing-nut news source despite being as close to 50/50 as you can get.
Juxtaposed to the 95/5 negative/positive reporting from - takes a deep breath - NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, every major newspaper, Vox, Vice, Slate, twitter, Facebook, google, yahoo, AP, Reuters, NPR, and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on........
FOH.
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CRO been around these parts longer than I have. He’s always leaned left, but his eyes have been opened by the not-so-subtle anti American shift the Dems have taken.
Would be nice if more normal, reasonable, sensible Dems would do the same instead of blindly cheering for that Despicable party.
Trump is mean. We get it. What you don’t get is he has to be. Can’t fight that garbage by trying to placate them. Unless you’ve lived under a f*cking rock for the last 15/20 years you’d know the slippery slope is real.......and greased the f*ck up.
Would be nice if more normal, reasonable, sensible Dems would do the same instead of blindly cheering for that Despicable party.
Trump is mean. We get it. What you don’t get is he has to be. Can’t fight that garbage by trying to placate them. Unless you’ve lived under a f*cking rock for the last 15/20 years you’d know the slippery slope is real.......and greased the f*ck up.
Let me ask you a question. If a longtime Democrat supporter owned a computer repair shop and called Joe Biden's lawyer to give them Eric Trump's laptop that he dropped off for repairs and then Joe Biden's lawyer called the MSNBC and gave them a bunch of emails off of the laptop that showed that Eric Trump was telling Donald Trump about goings on with Russian contacts. Then only MSNBC ran a story that Fox News and all other reputable news sources would not pick up calling Trump corrupt how would you receive this information? Would you think it was legit? Would you just take it at face value and believe every single word of it?
You already answered the question in the post above when you called the Russian investigation fabricated. Their is recorded phone calls and video evidence of Trump associates meeting with high level Russian diplomats in the final days of the 2016 election but you don't believe that because it is about your guy.
You treat your politics like we all treat our sports teams. Just like no Louisville fan values our judgment on their teams and none of us care what they think about UK, you are that way about being a Republican. Everything they do is good and everything Democrats do is bad. Because of this those of us in the middle cannot trust your judgment on these types of issues. We need real facts and a computer from a dime store repair shop owned by a Trump supporter and presented by Rudy Giuliani and reported only by a company owned by Rupert Murdoch that is basically a conservative tabloid is just not a reliable source of evidence in relation to allegations against Joe Biden's son. I hope you understand why this is true.
LOL! There are certainly some reasons to vote for Trump, but this is certainly not one of them.
Trump is a centrist and the closest president we have had to the middle in my lifetime and maybe ever. He was pro gay marriage before most democrats were, he’s pro life, he’s not religious. He spends money like it grows on trees. He checks the boxes that most liberals dream of.
The FBI has had the laptop since last year and they've sat on it. As I recall, the store owner copied the hard drive. We've got hard evidence here that you don't like so now you're trying to create conspiracy theories about how it was leaked. LOL, that doesn't negate the evidence, it just shows your mental gymnastics to try to rationalize voting for a goddamn Traitor.
If they had any evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians, it would have been used to impeach him. Again, you're too brainwashed to admit you have nothing. BTW, Bobulinski will be on Tucker Carlson tonight to further expose Joe's corruption. Pull your head out and watch it.
Trump is going to win this election. The MSM polls are heavily rigged (just as in 2016 ) to make the corrupt dementia patient look ahead. Nobody is excited in the least about Joe Biden. It's a negative campaign fueled by lies, just as we saw over the last 4 years. Trump has massive public support.
I fully expect the filthy democrats to not accept the election results. I'm afraid it's going to very ugly, to say the least. The last coup attempt is going to look like child's play. The non-establishment Trump is threatening to destroy their massive corruption. They are desperate.
You need to wake up. The fate of our country is at stake.
It's not as simple as that anymore. The far left socialist GND radicals are controlling the democrat party. You really need to learn and understand what this means for America. We don't have the luxury to be low info voters who only go with "they are all corrupt, blah, blah, nothing matters" .
Trump is not a member of the corrupt Washington establishment, both dem and repub. He is the only obstacle standing in the way of the radicals implementing equal misery for all.
Meanwhile...
President Trump Nominated For 2021 Nobel Peace Prize
This is his 5th nomination so far. Amazing what once was viewed as impossible can be done for our country and the world when a corrupt ideological regime isn't in charge.
Yet, Orange Man Baaaaaaaaad. You MSM suckers probably don't even know these accomplishments, since it's rarely, if ever reported. You people make me sick.
President Trump Nominated For 2021 Nobel Peace Prize
This is his 5th nomination so far. Amazing what once was viewed as impossible can be done for our country and the world when a corrupt ideological regime isn't in charge.
Yet, Orange Man Baaaaaaaaad. You MSM suckers probably don't even know these accomplishments, since it's rarely, if ever reported. You people make me sick.
Why am I a they? We are both Americans. Why do you think everyone who does not like Trump is anti-American? Logically why would half of Americans want to hurt America? We live here, we work here, many are raising children here. We want what's best for America's future. We do not think that Trump is it. I voted for him in 2016. He's done things I like, but he is a liar, he is corrupt, and he is a terrible human being. I am not voting for him again. Sorry.
I also don't understand this other nonsense you are talking about. There isn't some secret scheme to control things. There is an election, we all vote, the winner gets to make decisions. That's just the way it is.
Every "they" in my post you quoted was referencing the establishment democrat leadership, not you. Yes, we are Americans. That's why I said "our country".
I've seen what anti-Trump people call "lies", so no need to bore me with that nonsense. I would like some examples of Trump corruption, specifically since he took office. There is evidence of real corruption concerning Joe Biden, but you don't seem to care about that.
You're naive, imo. The democrats have been trying to take out Trump since before he was inaugurated based on fabricated lies. That is real corruption as well. We'll see what happens after the election, but based on what has happened the past 4 years, nothing will surprise me.
How about having foreign governments stay in his hotels and resorts? How about nepotism? How about not caring about Russia using Facebook to alter elections because they favored him? How about trying to reopen the country and act like the coronavirus doesn't exist because he owns a bunch of hotels and resorts that are losing money due to decreased travel? How about encouraging white supremacist and militia groups? How about the constant lying? How about no taxes (this means either he is cheating his taxes or he really isn't a good businessman you have to choose because they can't both be true)? How about you tell me a time when Trump showed integrity?
I bet if they looked closely into his campaign finances he has filtered a ton of donations into his personal coffers. Of course we already know he has overpaid for use of his properties for campaign events which is unethical, but probably not illegal. He is also using White House Staff to run his reelection campaign which means the Federal government is paying people to campaign for President Trump.
Easy to keep listing Trump corruption. I am genuinely interested in @Spocks Brain telling us when he has actually acted with integrity. I would like to know those cases.
This is a great article showing how pur President does business. He takes out huge loans, loses money, refuses to repay, then sues his lenders until the forgive the loans then doesn't pay taxes on the forgiveness debts. A real winner there. Not to mention the bank he personally owes $330 million to is not an American bank and he has been deferring payments because no one will sue a sitting President. This guy is a really stand up businessman.
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-maneuvered-way-trouble-chicago-121415189.html
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-maneuvered-way-trouble-chicago-121415189.html
He just plays the system, man. He does what any honest, hard working American would. Steal money and leave everyone else holding the bag. Kudos to him.
Trump is not running his hotel business while he is in office. Of course people, including foreigners still stay in those hotels. It's not illegal. Not sure why you think he can't have family members in his administration. Hell, JFK had his brother as AG. Not caring about FB? LOL, the DOJ has already announced that our enemies will attempt to disrupt our elections, as always. Our own media, including FB, Twitter, and Google are doing it and it's not favoring Trump.
Did you watch Tucker last night? Nothing in the MSM about the biggest current story this morning, as expected. Biden is a traitor to the American people, and he will answer for it one way or another.
You want the country locked down, the economy and people's lives destroyed just to help win an election. Disgusting. Where are all these so-called white supremacists? I suppose if you support Trump you're a WS. What about Antifa and BLM? They are burning and looting Philly as we speak.
He's already answered and accounted for his taxes and his foundation. That you're not satisfied is not surprising.
I hope Trump wins and goes scorched earth on the establishment corruption, including the media. You guys are eaten up with TDS. Oh the misery.
Actually according to the United States Constitution that is illegal. It's called the emoluments clause. Here is a link so you can read it yourself.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/For... Clause is,from foreign states and monarchies
He says the reporting on his taxes is wrong and we should take his word for it. Nope release them returns and show us.
Brietbart won't even run the Biden email story. FoxNews won't run it. Tucker Carlson is a talking head not a reporter. What he says is his opinion and not fact. If the above 2 won't run the story then it's not a real story.
I'm a real sucker for paying my mortgage. My $56,000 tax bill last year was a bummer too.
Brietbart front page right now..
‘The Biden Five’: The Definitive Breakdown of One of America’s Most Corrupt Families
FoxNews - one of many articles on their website...
Biden stays silent on Bobulinski claims about family's business ventures
@dgtatu01, I don't have time to clear you from your brainwashing. You're so far gone that you're going to have learn it the hard way, as will all the other TDS consumed MSM suckers. It's going to happen. The best you can hope for is DNC cheating on a massive scale, but I don't think it will be enough.
I'll never understand the love and support for one man who doesn't care about anyone more than himself. Either party.
He won't be there for you when a loved one dies. He won't lend a helping hand when you are stuck or broke down on the side of the road. He won't shed one damn tear when you're gone. You know who will? The friends and family that are currently alienating one another over one man who will never do anything for them in their life.
He won't be there for you when a loved one dies. He won't lend a helping hand when you are stuck or broke down on the side of the road. He won't shed one damn tear when you're gone. You know who will? The friends and family that are currently alienating one another over one man who will never do anything for them in their life.
The first article doesn't say anything about current stuff. The second article says that Biden won't answer questions about a guy who said nothing. I'm sorry my man do you read these or read headlines?
I read that FoxNews article. It IS current and includes excerpts of the Bobulinski interview with TC where Bobulinski had PLENTY to say. Jesus Christ, I can read.