The left's paid agitators disrupting townhalls

[countryroads89_rivals]

The idiot actually said this:

“It’s an unbelievably complex subject. Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated,” Trump said.

[laughing]

 

[Mntneer]

Bottom line: now that reality is getting ready to hit middle class folks right in the face, they are taking the effort to figure out they have been lied to from the right about the ACA.

They aren't very keen on removing the catastrophic limit elimination provision of ACA, the pre-existing condition elimination provision of ACA, the removal of children until 26 provision of ACA, the lower prescription prices for a lot of drugs, etc.

I, and my friends, are middle class folks.... premium increases have hit most all of us directly in the face.

Solve the problem.

 

[D. Denzil Finney]

Is this good or bad for our democracy? If we've seen anything, it's that turnabout, while fair, is likely to be oneupped by the opposing side. I submit that while in the interim, you all on the left might be enjoying this, think of what happens when the right inevitably pushes back harder?

I'm actually beginning to get concerned where this is heading with the left's refusal to accept reality. We are slowly yet steadily picking up steam towards the precipice of potential disaster. Make no mistake, the right is not going to accept this type of coordinated, funded, and disruptive insurgent activism.

Mark my words, short term gains on the left will fuel and be met with extreme blowback by the right.

Is is absolutely 100% bad. I can't fathom anything good that can come from it. The chasm is just becomming wider . I don't think one side is much worse than the other - - the game of one uppance continues. Guess who winds up holding the dirty end of the stick; We The People.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Here is a true story from Charleston, WV.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/health/obamacare-lifetime-limits-impact/

This situation typically handled by Medicaid. Obamacare has nothing to do with it. My wife cares for 2 such patients.

Bottom line: now that reality is getting ready to hit middle class folks right in the face, they are taking the effort to figure out they have been lied to from the right about the ACA.

They aren't very keen on removing the catastrophic limit elimination provision of ACA, the pre-existing condition elimination provision of ACA, the removal of children until 26 provision of ACA, the lower prescription prices for a lot of drugs, etc.

That's fine, let it crash and burn. That's the only way those entitlements will go away.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

I, and my friends, are middle class folks.... premium increases have hit most all of us directly in the face.

Solve the problem.

I've said it a number of times, but it seems pertinent again. There are some good things with the ACA ... however it has one huge fault.

It is called the Affordable Care Act ... not the Affordable Insurance Act ... and all it did was provide insurance with little to nothing addressing the actual costs of the care itself. In the end, it didn't do very will with making Insurance more affordable either.

It's way too complicated for me to solve ... but I have two starting points. Tort reform and published prices. How many of us ever know how much something is going to cost? Especially a surgery with a hospital stay? I don't think even the hospitals could give you something like an itemize purchase order or something telling you exactly how much it's going to cost. If all the prices are available, just like they are with just about every other industry, then we can shop ... right now we have no idea.

A broader problem is that insurance is billed for EVERY thing. You have insurance on your car for accidents and whatnot ... you don't bill your auto insurance every time you fill the gas tank or change the oil, it's for catastrophic damage. Our entire medical system is run through the insurance companies ... even routine visits ... and our premiums reflect that.

 

[Mntneer]

I've said it a number of times, but it seems pertinent again. There are some good things with the ACA ... however it has one huge fault.

It is called the Affordable Care Act ... not the Affordable Insurance Act ... and all it did was provide insurance with little to nothing addressing the actual costs of the care itself. In the end, it didn't do very will with making Insurance more affordable either.

It's way too complicated for me to solve ... but I have two starting points. Tort reform and published prices. How many of us ever know how much something is going to cost? Especially a surgery with a hospital stay? I don't think even the hospitals could give you something like an itemize purchase order or something telling you exactly how much it's going to cost. If all the prices are available, just like they are with just about every other industry, then we can shop ... right now we have no idea.

A broader problem is that insurance is billed for EVERY thing. You have insurance on your car for accidents and whatnot ... you don't bill your auto insurance every time you fill the gas tank or change the oil, it's for catastrophic damage. Our entire medical system is run through the insurance companies ... even routine visits ... and our premiums reflect that.

Absolutely.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Not surprising the same morons that loved every conspiracy theory the past eight years are now touting the ridiculous conspiracy of PAID protesters. Meanwhile they spin every real thing this administration is doing as their agenda requires them to do so. Idiots.

Yayyyyyy, the old kook jumps in a thread. Speaking of spinning.

 

[wvu2007]

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Bottom line: now that reality is getting ready to hit middle class folks right in the face, they are taking the effort to figure out they have been lied to from the right about the ACA.

They aren't very keen on removing the catastrophic limit elimination provision of ACA, the pre-existing condition elimination provision of ACA, the removal of children until 26 provision of ACA, the lower prescription prices for a lot of drugs, etc.

How keen will they be when they can't afford their premiums that unless changed is going to go through the roof this year. Barry kicked that van down the road while he was in office. Either it's repealed or it collapses. It's dead no matter what you do.

 

[rog1187]

I've said it a number of times, but it seems pertinent again. There are some good things with the ACA ... however it has one huge fault.

It is called the Affordable Care Act ... not the Affordable Insurance Act ... and all it did was provide insurance with little to nothing addressing the actual costs of the care itself. In the end, it didn't do very will with making Insurance more affordable either.

It's way too complicated for me to solve ... but I have two starting points. Tort reform and published prices. How many of us ever know how much something is going to cost? Especially a surgery with a hospital stay? I don't think even the hospitals could give you something like an itemize purchase order or something telling you exactly how much it's going to cost. If all the prices are available, just like they are with just about every other industry, then we can shop ... right now we have no idea.

A broader problem is that insurance is billed for EVERY thing. You have insurance on your car for accidents and whatnot ... you don't bill your auto insurance every time you fill the gas tank or change the oil, it's for catastrophic damage. Our entire medical system is run through the insurance companies ... even routine visits ... and our premiums reflect that.

They can't give you a quote on your hospital stay because they can't even come close to predicting what your stay is going to look like. They might be able to get you in the ballpark especially on routine or elective stuff and if you're healthy. Do you want to get into detail on what type of sutures they may or may not use - would you (anyone in general) be able to say they want one particular suture over another type? We're poor consumers of healthcare...part of that is because it's more complicated than going to the service station to get an oil change and a your tires rotated.

You want to look at cost - look at what drives medical education cost. Those folks come out loaded with debt and they're looking for it to be paid off.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

How keen will they be when they can't afford their premiums that unless changed is going to go through the roof this year. Barry kicked that van down the road while he was in office. Either it's repealed or it collapses. It's dead no matter what you do.

They won't be able to afford insurance after the ACA is repealed. They are figuring that out. We will be back to 2014 and prior when not very many people had insurance (current estimates at 20 million fewer people), everyone went to the ER for treatment, didn't pay their bills and hospitals and those of us with insurance ate those costs....and for the treatment that can't be treated at an ER, the people suffer and/or die.

Helluva plan.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

You want to look at cost - look at what drives medical education cost. Those folks come out loaded with debt and they're looking for it to be paid off.

Free school to lower medical costs?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

They won't be able to afford insurance after the ACA is repealed. They are figuring that out. We will be back to 2014 and prior when not very many people had insurance (current estimates at 20 million fewer people), everyone went to the ER for treatment, didn't pay their bills and hospitals and those of us with insurance ate those costs....and for the treatment that can't be treated at an ER, the people suffer and/or die.

Helluva plan.

They won't be able to afford either way. That's the point. You understand this is the year when all the rate hikes are going to occur, correct? It's already becoming unaffordable for people and they haven't taken effect yet.

 

[bamaEER]

The idiot actually said this:

“It’s an unbelievably complex subject. Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated,” Trump said.

[laughing]

 

[TarHeelEer]

We will be back to 2014 and prior when not very many people had insurance (current estimates at 20 million fewer people)

How many people are in the United States?

 

[PriddyBoy]

CORN FLAKE

 

[rog1187]

Free school to lower medical costs?

It's part of the equation...and nothing is free.

 

[dave]

Bottom line: now that reality is getting ready to hit middle class folks right in the face, they are taking the effort to figure out they have been lied to from the right about the ACA.

They aren't very keen on removing the catastrophic limit elimination provision of ACA, the pre-existing condition elimination provision of ACA, the removal of children until 26 provision of ACA, the lower prescription prices for a lot of drugs, etc.

It doesn't matter. There is not going to be Obamacare moving forward, whether it is repealed or if it just flops out completely. The program cannot support itself.