The Mullen Conundrum

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Hey, I get it. Dan is a great offensive coach. He was a great coordinator and enjoyed a lot of success working for Urban. I’m sure he felt that he would one day be where Urban is….at the pinnacle of college football. The obvious way to get there would be to follow Urban’s example and work your way to the top.

Everything was going according to plan when he was hired by State to lead the program. As a first time head coach he worked hard and had success and in his sixth year he got the team to No. 1. State was the first team to be No. 1 in the new playoff ranking system. Now was the time to take the next step and move on to a bigger, high-profile program. Only problem was, the phone didn’t ring. Word on the street is that his agent then picked up the phone and starting putting out feelers…..no takers. What the hell?

The problem for Dan was that State recognized the writing on the wall and decided not to be a stepping-stone. By paying Dan $4 million dollars per year coupled with what I can only imagine is a healthy buyout clause, State is saying Dan is our man.

The problem for State is that it appears that Dan is not happy being “stuck” at State and that attitude is showing up on the field.

So, where do we go from here? I really believe that we have to let this season play out and then the new A.D. has to have a heart-to-heart with Dan and be brutally honest. Let him know that mediocrity and anything other than his best effort are not acceptable.

If Dan doesn’t believe he can be happy here then we should let him go…..with no financial penalty to the University. He can go get a coordinator job at a high-profile program or a head coaching job in a mid-tier conference and reset his career path and State can hire another feisty up and comer who’s ready for a challenge. Everyone wins.

Bottom line….if Dan doesn’t want to be here then we don’t want him here.
 

MSUDC11

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My opinion summed up in one short thought:

He has earned the right to not get fired after one bad year. That being said, I will not be sad at all if he goes somewhere else. Even if it's a lateral move.
 

ronpolk

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I don't buy that money is an issue for one of the big boys. If a Texas, or someone like that, wanted Dan the his buyout wouldn't be an issue. They would figure it out.
 

thatsbaseball

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There were no takers because Dan has a reputation of being an a-hole to work for and for being a very average recruiter. He`s not a 4 mil guy but he was our "savior" and we made him one anyway. I`m grateful for what he`s done for us but I`m afraid we`re getting close to a divorce by "mutual consent". Believe it or not...life will go on.


edited to add: being an a-hole to work for AND not being able to retain assistant coaches
 
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coach66

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Good post, you make some good points. I think Dan is somewhat tired of trying

to keep up with Freeze's ******** too, that is a factor as well. Mullen sucks at cheating.
 

thatsbaseball

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That`s a point I tried to make some months ago. Although most agree that OM is going to get some sort of NCAA punishment....WHEN THE 17 IS IT GOING TO HAPPEN ? the whole college football world knows they`ve been cheating their asses off FOR YEARS but nothing has happened. It could/should have been stopped years ago. Dan Mullen and other coaches and schools have suffered recruiting and on the field losses while the NCAA has drug it`s feet and allowed OM to accumulate more and more wins and more talent. These losses have done damage that won`t be recouped. I can`t imagine what it`s like viewing this from Mullen`s position.
 

patdog

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It will happen next spring. I agree, penalties should have come down a long time ago. But IT'S coming.
 

DerHntr

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The problem with "lett him go ... with no financial penalty to the university" is contracts have been signed that say otherwise. Why would Dan take being fired and not get his payout that we agreed to? We are talking about millions of dollars here. He's not going to get fired, take a coordinator job at less than $1M a year most likely, and then tell MSU that we can keep our millions of dollars in a pay out because he feels bad we didn't win this year.
 

mount lefroy

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Hey, I get it. Dan is a great offensive coach. He was a great coordinator and enjoyed a lot of success working for Urban. I’m sure he felt that he would one day be where Urban is….at the pinnacle of college football. The obvious way to get there would be to follow Urban’s example and work your way to the top.

Everything was going according to plan when he was hired by State to lead the program. As a first time head coach he worked hard and had success and in his sixth year he got the team to No. 1. State was the first team to be No. 1 in the new playoff ranking system. Now was the time to take the next step and move on to a bigger, high-profile program. Only problem was, the phone didn’t ring. Word on the street is that his agent then picked up the phone and starting putting out feelers…..no takers. What the hell?

The problem for Dan was that State recognized the writing on the wall and decided not to be a stepping-stone. By paying Dan $4 million dollars per year coupled with what I can only imagine is a healthy buyout clause, State is saying Dan is our man.

The problem for State is that it appears that Dan is not happy being “stuck” at State and that attitude is showing up on the field.

So, where do we go from here? I really believe that we have to let this season play out and then the new A.D. has to have a heart-to-heart with Dan and be brutally honest. Let him know that mediocrity and anything other than his best effort are not acceptable.

If Dan doesn’t believe he can be happy here then we should let him go…..with no financial penalty to the University. He can go get a coordinator job at a high-profile program or a head coaching job in a mid-tier conference and reset his career path and State can hire another feisty up and comer who’s ready for a challenge. Everyone wins.

Bottom line….if Dan doesn’t want to be here then we don’t want him here.

Best assesment ive read about our situation.
 
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I'm not saying "fire" him....I'm saying if he wants to go then let's allow him to leave. But, we don't fire him and have to pay him the rest of his contract and he doesn't have to pay us the "buy-out".....we simply go our separate ways. If he's only here because he's contractually obligated....we're screwed.

The problem with "lett him go ... with no financial penalty to the university" is contracts have been signed that say otherwise. Why would Dan take being fired and not get his payout that we agreed to? We are talking about millions of dollars here. He's not going to get fired, take a coordinator job at less than $1M a year most likely, and then tell MSU that we can keep our millions of dollars in a pay out because he feels bad we didn't win this year.
 

msstatelp1

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I'm not saying "fire" him....I'm saying if he wants to go then let's allow him to leave. But, we don't fire him and have to pay him the rest of his contract and he doesn't have to pay us the "buy-out".....we simply go our separate ways. If he's only here because he's contractually obligated....we're screwed.

Then any future coach will think they can get out of their contract by not doing their job. Your suggestion sounds good on the surface but could have far reaching consequences.
 

dawgoneyall

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Hey, I get it. Dan is a great offensive coach. He was a great coordinator and enjoyed a lot of success working for Urban. I’m sure he felt that he would one day be where Urban is….at the pinnacle of college football. The obvious way to get there would be to follow Urban’s example and work your way to the top.

Everything was going according to plan when he was hired by State to lead the program. As a first time head coach he worked hard and had success and in his sixth year he got the team to No. 1. State was the first team to be No. 1 in the new playoff ranking system. Now was the time to take the next step and move on to a bigger, high-profile program. Only problem was, the phone didn’t ring. Word on the street is that his agent then picked up the phone and starting putting out feelers…..no takers. What the hell?

The problem for Dan was that State recognized the writing on the wall and decided not to be a stepping-stone. By paying Dan $4 million dollars per year coupled with what I can only imagine is a healthy buyout clause, State is saying Dan is our man.

The problem for State is that it appears that Dan is not happy being “stuck” at State and that attitude is showing up on the field.

So, where do we go from here? I really believe that we have to let this season play out and then the new A.D. has to have a heart-to-heart with Dan and be brutally honest. Let him know that mediocrity and anything other than his best effort are not acceptable.

If Dan doesn’t believe he can be happy here then we should let him go…..with no financial penalty to the University. He can go get a coordinator job at a high-profile program or a head coaching job in a mid-tier conference and reset his career path and State can hire another feisty up and comer who’s ready for a challenge. Everyone wins.

Bottom line….if Dan doesn’t want to be here then we don’t want him here.

He doesn't want to be here. The Miami cluster 17 last Dec demonstrated that. He should have been fired when he interviewed for the job.
 

josebrown

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I'm not saying "fire" him....I'm saying if he wants to go then let's allow him to leave. But, we don't fire him and have to pay him the rest of his contract and he doesn't have to pay us the "buy-out".....we simply go our separate ways. If he's only here because he's contractually obligated....we're screwed.

We're screwed!!
 
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Not just that he interviewed but that he used the company jet to get there on a supposed "recruiting" trip. He should've been fired on the spot then and there.
 

DerHntr

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I'm not saying "fire" him....I'm saying if he wants to go then let's allow him to leave. But, we don't fire him and have to pay him the rest of his contract and he doesn't have to pay us the "buy-out".....we simply go our separate ways. If he's only here because he's contractually obligated....we're screwed.

Unless we go 3-9, I can't imagine our new AD leaving money on the table either. If the other school wants him, they need to pay the buyout.

I understand buyout clauses from the school's end of the transaction are created to hopefully keep a highly successful coach longer. Thus, keeping the clause in play after your coach lays an egg may not look smart. You do have a point. I just don't agree with it completely.
 
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TXDawg.sixpack

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First off, I also agree that Dan has earned one bad season.

That said, here's the real issue I have with the "fire Mullen" movement. 1) Too many "big" jobs open this off season. If he's going to go, we need a real upgrade. 2) We don't have an AD to conduct the search. Sure, we could have one by December, but depending on who it is, he likely needs more time in the job before making such a huge decision.

My real fear is that we fire Mullen (possibly our best coach ever) and end up with Croom 2.0 I'm not sure our program would survive that.
 
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