The NCAA got this 100% right

[HLRebel]

That forces a person to sit out one year when they transfer to a BCS school and not for an FCS school?

What Masoli did at Oregon is irrelevant. The rule is clear as to what factual considerations will be made. Which of those factual considerations does Masoli not meet?

 

[Frances Drebin]

What Masoli did at Oregon is completely relevant. It's the reason he sought the transfer and waiver to begin with.

I'm pretty sure the spirit of the rule is not to use a loophole to transfer to another school to avoid a suspension. And since he was enrolled in a grad program at Oregon before he was booted from the team, it's next to impossible to argue that Oregon didn't have the major he was interested in pursuing. This is an open and shut case.

 

[OMlawdog]

I could be wrong on this, but everything I have read has said he was in good academic standing at Oregon. He got kicked off the football team, but academically he was fine.

 

[OMlawdog]

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[TR.sixpack]

The NCAA basically states they never intended the rule to be used as a loophole to skirt sitting out a year. Had Masoli left Oregon on his own and had no legal issues, no one would've raised an eyebrow, but he was suspended for 2010 and then kicked off the team. Do you disagree?

 

[EAVdog]

The NCAA does whatever it thinks is best to keep the money rolling in. If they think a player with a shady rep skirting around some rules gives them a black eye they are going to squash it. They make crap up as they go on a case by case basis. It's been this way for quite some time now, i'm not sure why the Rebs are so shocked? Did they think they had some magic connection with the NCAA?

I don't blame them for trying, I'm not so sure why they had their hopes up like this was a done deal? I know a lot of us thought Sidney would get cleared eventually... i guess it's understandable.

 

[OMlawdog]

The problem is that the rule doesn't say anything about whether you have to be in good standing with your football team, and to me theres the rub.

What if Masoli had simply quit the Oregon football team and transferred?

What if Masoli had simply been demoted to 2nd team and announced he was transferring because he got passed on the depth chart.

What if he got kicked off the team for a violation of team rules, but nothing specific?

In the future a team could stop a player from transferring if they don't want him to, by announcing a suspension for a violation of team rules, and then that player has to sit out a year even though he has graduated.

Its a slippery slope which is why it has always been granted in the past. If the NCAA really wants to get into the motives of why players transfer after graduating, I doubt anyone will ever have it waived again.

 

[rebel law]

The NCAA has known for 6 weeks or so about the case and the loophole Ole Miss was using. If they don't want the loophole to be used, that's fine but come out and say it on the front end. Instead they let him practice for a month, taking snaps away from Mackey, and then give a 2 paragraph ruling that they could have handed down a month ago. Hell before we got Masoli we were talking to Clayton Moore about coming back to the team just to get another warm body. While that isn't a good option, I would rather have Moore running 3rd team than what we have now. I'm not going to cry over the ruling but just as with Sidney or Powe x3, you know the NCAA already knows what they are going rule. So instead of jerking the kids and schools around, just come out and give the damn ruling instead of dragging your feet until 3 days before kickoff. I would have much rather them come out and said this is ******** that y'all are trying to manipulate a rule, we aren't going to allow it. Instead they allowed him to come here, allowed us to deservedly take a beating in the national press, and allowed him to take up a ton of snaps in camp, only to kick us in the nuts. Just give me the kick in the nuts on the front end. All of this hoopla could have been avoided but the NCAA is completely incompetent and unaccountable for their incompetency.

 

[Frances Drebin]

Its a slippery slope which is why it has always been granted in the past.

But has it? We know that the NCAA reviews these requests on a case by case basis. How many times has a player tried to use this rule to transfer to another school to avoid having to sit out a year on suspension? You guys bring up the Paulus case, and that is apples and watermelons. The Polynice case is closer to what is going on here, but even that differs significantly.

I know Boone said there's no precedent behind the NCAA's decision today. Well, there's no precedent behind Ole Miss and Masoli's request for the waiver and the surrounding circumstances, either. There's never been a circumstance like this. And one other thing...none of us has seen the documentation that was provided. There was allegedly some discrepencies in there which contributed to this decision. But wait, that was just Chip Kelly trying to hold him back, right?

I'm not defending the NCAA. They are certainly going to do what they want to do. But this case never passed the sniff test from the beginning. I'd be saying the same thing if he tried to get into State and this happened to us today.

 

[Frances Drebin]

...we've experienced similar things, whether it be Sidney, or Mario Austin. They work on their own timetable and don't give a 17 about anything else. You see it every year with freshmen sweating out the last minutes of waiting from the clearinghouse. But then again, at least you found out now, and not, say, four games into the season.

 

[patdog]

The fact that he had already enrolled in a grad program at Oregon proves that this was an obvious sports related move and had nothing to do with academics.

 

[rebel law]

And I think we are agreeing. I'm not saying the ruling is unfair but the way the NCAA handled it was completely unfair. Hell we had 4 freshman that missed over a week of practice because the NCAA just hadn't gotten around to clearing them in time. Happens everywhere but it is ******** nonetheless.

 

[FlabLoser]

(thats what she said)

 

[HLRebel]

On a players status with the team.

Also, answer the second part of my question. Why is Tig able to play on Saturday, but Masoli is not. How does that comport with the spirit of the rule?

 

[Frances Drebin]

Part one: The NCAA reviews requests for immediate eligibility on a case by case basis. There's no black-and-white rule that gets rubber stamped here.

Part two: Tig is playing in a lower division. Masoli can go to Jacksonville State and play on Saturday, too, if he wants to. Since Nutt is in the people-helpin' business, maybe he should help Masoli find a playoff division team that needs a QB so he can go play immediately. Oh yeah, only as long as they offer a parks and rec masters program!

The NCAA has allowed the transfer, has allowed him to go on scholarship, and has allowed him to participate in all activities with the team. He just can't compete for a year. The NCAA has said this is more of a simple transfer case, probably because, and you Rebel boys keep missing this point, he was already enrolled in a grad program when he was kicked off the team at Oregon. All this black helicopter **** just isn't applicable.

 

[ShaNaNa]

Paulus had one year to play one, Masoli has two year's to play one because he never redshirted. This was the first case where the NCAA had to rule under this scenario. They are not denying elegibility just the waiver.

 

[TXDawg.sixpack]

After the laptop incident, Kelly suspended him for the 2010 season - told him he could sit a year, then come back and play in 2011. After he got popped with weed, Kelly kicked him off the team completely - told him he couldn't come back. THAT was when Masoli decided to "change majors" and enroll in grad school.

My understanding of the NCAA rule is that players have the ability to APPLY for a WAIVER to be allowed to transfer without sitting out a year. It is at the NCAA's sole discretion to evalute individual situations and either grant or deny the waiver.

Like the OP said, they got this one 100% right.

 

[GloryDawg]

Masoli was not on the top of their to do list. Masoli was not the only issue facing the NCAA. They take them as they come.However I think if the NCAA is that back up they should hire more people.

 

[Slumdawg]

The bottom line here is the NCAA simply didn't like that he was trying to get around a suspension, so they had to come up with something to get around the waiver thathas been grantedin almost every instance. Same way they suspend players by delaying a ruling by midseason and essentially suspend a player without actually suspending them. They got the result they wanted and think they have found a way to make it legit. Im 99.9% certain their decision will be upheld.

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[HLRebel]

Did you read the decision? Did you read the rules? What part of the rule does the decision depend on? The NCAA admitted that he fulfilled the plain language requirements of the rule. The decision only states that he violated the "spirit" of the rule.

All this ******** about him being kicked off the team is just that, ********. There is nothing in he rule that says you have to be in good standing with the team to be granted the waiver. There is nothing in the rule that says the player must have academic motives in transferring. The NCAA says that the spirit of the transfer rule is to allow transfers for academic purposes. If that's true then how does that spirit comport with the guidelines for transferring to FCS schools? It doesn't.

The rule was a loophole, but the language of the loophole was clear. It's ok to get down on OM for recruiting the guy, but the rules are clear.

 

[Shmuley]

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[Frances Drebin]

Is Tony Barnhardt comparing this to the Tig Barksdale situation? If so, then yeah, he's a dipshit too.

 

[8dog]

Im saying that in Masoli's case they got it right so all the ole miss fans should quit wining. Everyone knew this was a possibility. I don't know all about the other cases.

Im sure they considered his status as a guy who can't quit running afoul of the law. I don't think the rules prohibit them from considering that. Just b/c they didn't out and out say that and they were politically correct about it doesn't make it wrong.

 

[OMlawdog]

He was kicked off his basketball team after 15 games. Thefollowing sesaon he transferred to UAB so that he can play his senior season.

NCAA approved his transfer last year. It was the third Division I stop for Cooper as he went from Ok State to La tech, and then to UAB.

So the difference between Masoli and Cooper is?

http://www.al.com/uabbasketball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1255508138314950.xml&coll=2

 

[fishwater99]

Then he was kicked off the team, and wanted to play somewhere this year, so he went school shopping. He was not motivated by academics, but athletics. There is no way in hell that Masoli plays for the rebels this year. If it is truly academics then he will stay around and get his grad degree and play in 2011. You rebels can spin it anyway you want but this was the right decision by the NCAA.

 

[HireCohen]

simple as that, if he didn't do this he would still be the ducks starting qb. If student athletes transfer for better opportunities and have to sit out a year why wouldn't a guy that plead guilty to a felony charge?

 

[8dog]

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[OMlawdog]

Who no one ever heard of, that had the exact same rap sheet, that didn't get talked about by the national media, that he would have been cleared without much fan fare, the same way a guy I never heard of was cleared to play basketball at UAB.

The fact that Masoli is who he is and he made headlines when he wanted to transfer to Ole Miss, and no one, myself included thought a guy that had so many run ins with the law would have graduated from college in three years, just doesn't fit the profile.

If the NCAA had previously said that if you get kicked off your team you can't transfer and play immediately, I would be fine with that, but they haven't done that.In fact they have done the opposite.

 

[Xenomorph]

..You want us to start throwing out examples of families that were living above their means while their sons played AAU basketball? I'll bet we can do it. But nobody got nailed until Sidney came along and everybody in the country knew his name.

Masoli quarterbacked a team in the Rose Bowl last year. He was a Heisman contender early on. He's been arrested... twice. He attempted to use an academic provision to avoid discipline. His name was on ESPN daily for 2 weeks. The NCAA was embarrassed. What the 17 did you expect them to do? Sit back and take it?

Damn, dude.. did you learn nothing from the Powe saga or watching us going through the RSS?

Whatever... keep pissing against the wind.

 

[OMlawdog]

Or having a rap sheet. It has nothing to do with being academically motivated, it has to do with the fact that this guy was going to be a Heisman contender for Oregon.

Everything else is bullsh!t. Don't bring up academically motivated, don't bring up suspended from his team, none of those things have mattered in the past. This had everything to do with the profile of the case.

 

[8dog]

what I don't agree with is everyone acting like the NCAA bent some rule. They didn't. They did what they could in the rules. That's my whole point. This is something ole miss should have been prepared for. If houston nutt implemented a brand new playbook for Masoli and now feels screwed, its his own damn fault. Hell, he wasn't even supposed to be there this year anyway.

Its just like with Sidney. It took way too long (at least Masoli's didn't drag into the season) but they did what is in their rules--they force the athlete to show eligibility. Just like they make everyone produce a transcript to the clearinghouse.

 

[Hidog78]

NCAA right or wrong , who knows? UM rolled the dice and it came up craps! If it was the grad program that brought him to UM , how many did he fly over on his trip to UM. Is their program that outstanding?
The most hilarious thing in all of this is the Rev. Nutter standing in front of the press saying," We are here to help the kids". His sole intent his to help this outstanding young man reach his potential because we are in the helping profession here at UM.