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Mac9192

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Yeah, yeah, I know. Trump supporters have jobs, libs depend on social assistance programs. Right.

Anyway, like usual, you apparently didn't read the press release Flynn shared. In that fourth paragraph from the end that I previously mentioned the We The People group is actually endorsing the idea of taking up arms if Trump doesn't declare martial law and have military oversee a new election.

We the People may be a fringe group. General Michael Flynn, as well as many of the folks tagged in Flynn's post, actually have the ability to get in Trump's ear.

You said you have no issue with his comments. If you read the press release he shared and have no problem with it, you support violence.

That's not me stretching. That's you being you.

For the record, I support the 2nd amendment. I just think it's comical that people think the literal interpretation of it means that any regulation on the type of arms one possesses violates the 2nd Amendment.
Rev, you just keep reaching. Here’s a couple simple, easy to answer questions:

Has there been much, if any violence, cause by angry Trump supporters since the election? I know you’re going to try throwing up the march a couple weeks ago, but we all know who started that one.

Who has been rioting and burning cities for at least 8 months?

I’ll anxiously wait for your reply
 

durhamgolfer

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Those weren't Trump supporters that plotted to kidnap Michigan's governor. But carry on telling other people they don't know what they're talking about.
Perhaps you misread my post. I did not bring up the kidnapping. Keep launching criticism at the things I don't say.
 

Jtre

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Rev, you just keep reaching. Here’s a couple simple, easy to answer questions:

Has there been much, if any violence, cause by angry Trump supporters since the election? I know you’re going to try throwing up the march a couple weeks ago, but we all know who started that one.

Who has been rioting and burning cities for at least 8 months?

I’ll anxiously wait for your reply

There has been plenty of acts of aggression, threats and violence by Trump supporters. You should have no problem admitting that.

There was plenty of rioting and property destruction by people who (if they even voted) probably voted for Joe Biden. I have no problem admitting that.

The latter was, at least at the start, originated as peaceful protests over decades (centuries) of seeing people in positions of authority kill unarmed Blacks and rarely if ever have to face criminal repercussions for those actions.

The former was... for what? Because they have found themselves members of a cult of personality that worships at the altar of an insecure narcissist who thought the best way to gain and retain political was to stoke fear and rage in those who follow him.

None of my above statements has anything to do with our topic of discussion. To recap:

You condemned the media for speculating Trump's rhetoric might lead to violence and called it irresponsible for them to report about it.

I pointed it out, by linking Flynn's Twitter page, the media doesn't have to report things like that because you have people close to Trump sharing those ideas.

You then said you have no problem with what Flynn said (I assume you attributed what was in the article to him) and I asked you to clarify. As always you doubled down. This would mean you have no issue with Trump supporters who are clearly stating they endorse the idea of taking up arms to save democracy (or something like that) should the president fail to declare martial law.
 
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Mac9192

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This would mean you have no issue with Trump supporters who are clearly stating they endorse the idea of taking up arms to save democracy (or something like that) should the president fail to declare martial law.
Flynn isn’t supporting violence. You really don’t get it. Your liberal blinders are on, and you just can only get so far before the victim mentality in you comes out. What a lot of Trump supporters feel is that the election was stolen, and the media and Establishment are doing anything they can to get back power. Yes, I am one of those. But you won’t find the majority of the supporters promoting violence. They’re mad as hell, but if Trump says stand down, that’s what they will do.
As of now though, Trump feels he was robbed, and getting no help from judicial system.
In my opinion, they’re scared to overturn what everyone knows was a sham, for fear of major violence from the left. Remember the businesses and buildings being boarded up before Nov 3rd? That wasn’t done to protect from Trump supporters. You know that too.
 

durhamgolfer

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Flynn isn’t supporting violence. You really don’t get it. Your liberal blinders are on, and you just can only get so far before the victim mentality in you comes out. What a lot of Trump supporters feel is that the election was stolen, and the media and Establishment are doing anything they can to get back power. Yes, I am one of those. But you won’t find the majority of the supporters promoting violence. They’re mad as hell, but if Trump says stand down, that’s what they will do.
As of now though, Trump feels he was robbed, and getting no help from judicial system.
In my opinion, they’re scared to overturn what everyone knows was a sham, for fear of major violence from the left. Remember the businesses and buildings being boarded up before Nov 3rd? That wasn’t done to protect from Trump supporters. You know that too.
Flynn is supporting marshal law. By definition, he is supporting violence.
 

Jtre

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Flynn isn’t supporting violence. You really don’t get it. Your liberal blinders are on, and you just can only get so far before the victim mentality in you comes out. What a lot of Trump supporters feel is that the election was stolen, and the media and Establishment are doing anything they can to get back power. Yes, I am one of those. But you won’t find the majority of the supporters promoting violence. They’re mad as hell, but if Trump says stand down, that’s what they will do.
As of now though, Trump feels he was robbed, and getting no help from judicial system.
In my opinion, they’re scared to overturn what everyone knows was a sham, for fear of major violence from the left. Remember the businesses and buildings being boarded up before Nov 3rd? That wasn’t done to protect from Trump supporters. You know that too.

If Flynn doesn't support the message, why would he share it?
 

durhamgolfer

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Flynn isn’t supporting violence. You really don’t get it. Your liberal blinders are on, and you just can only get so far before the victim mentality in you comes out. What a lot of Trump supporters feel is that the election was stolen, and the media and Establishment are doing anything they can to get back power. Yes, I am one of those. But you won’t find the majority of the supporters promoting violence. They’re mad as hell, but if Trump says stand down, that’s what they will do.
As of now though, Trump feels he was robbed, and getting no help from judicial system.
In my opinion, they’re scared to overturn what everyone knows was a sham, for fear of major violence from the left. Remember the businesses and buildings being boarded up before Nov 3rd? That wasn’t done to protect from Trump supporters. You know that too.
The Supremes very rightly don’t want to step in this mess of delusional conspiracies drummed by people unable to face facts. That is a good thing. Voting is a political issue and with one or two exceptions the Supremes are supposed to stay out of it. They took such a beating after Bush v. Gore that when Scalia spoke at various institutions, he refused to answer any questions about the case.
 

durhamgolfer

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Well. I did misread your post. And I apologize. How many people were injured in the Michigan protests?
I am not sure how that is relevant. Thankfully none but the visual of a militia of men with some serious fire power heading to the state capitol should frighten every single American
 

GhostOf301

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I am not sure how that is relevant. Thankfully none but the visual of a militia of men with some serious fire power heading to the state capitol should frighten every single American
It is definitely not something that I support happening and it has terrible optics. Not sure in what way it helped their cause.

I ask because you, just like a lot of people, seem to only care about these types of issues when it paints Trump supporters, or alleged Trump supporters (were they acting as Trump supporters, or people who wanted their basic rights restored?) In a bad light. So a bunch of ignorant, we'll call them Trump supporters, gather at the capitol in protest armed where no one was hurt, no one lost their business, no personal property was destroyed and no cops were smashed in the head with a brick. They just looked like a bunch of over the top idiots. And here you are emotionally screaming that no American should support that, or whatever. But conveniently you were mute while, we'll call them Biden supporters, peaceful rioters were burning, looting and murdering for weeks on end. You're just another example of people pretending to care about decency and kindness. You only care about things if you can blame the other side for whatever it is you pretend to care about.

BTW. Give it a rest with the whole, not wanting to take orders from a woman. Dumb as hell. You realize that there have been similar demonstrations in states governed by men, right? They're not much of men, but still. People with your victim mentality are detrimental to your own cause. Whitmer is a governor who happens to be a woman. She is not above criticism because she's a woman. Just proves that you don’t want equal treatment, you want special treatment.
 

durhamgolfer

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It is definitely not something that I support happening and it has terrible optics. Not sure in what way it helped their cause.

I ask because you, just like a lot of people, seem to only care about these types of issues when it paints Trump supporters, or alleged Trump supporters (were they acting as Trump supporters, or people who wanted their basic rights restored?) In a bad light. So a bunch of ignorant, we'll call them Trump supporters, gather at the capitol in protest armed where no one was hurt, no one lost their business, no personal property was destroyed and no cops were smashed in the head with a brick. They just looked like a bunch of over the top idiots. And here you are emotionally screaming that no American should support that, or whatever. But conveniently you were mute while, we'll call them Biden supporters, peaceful rioters were burning, looting and murdering for weeks on end. You're just another example of people pretending to care about decency and kindness. You only care about things if you can blame the other side for whatever it is you pretend to care about.

BTW. Give it a rest with the whole, not wanting to take orders from a woman. Dumb as hell. You realize that there have been similar demonstrations in states governed by men, right? They're not much of men, but still. People with your victim mentality are detrimental to your own cause. Whitmer is a governor who happens to be a woman. She is not above criticism because she's a woman. Just proves that you don’t want equal treatment, you want special treatment.
It is definitely not something that I support happening and it has terrible optics. Not sure in what way it helped their cause.

I ask because you, just like a lot of people, seem to only care about these types of issues when it paints Trump supporters, or alleged Trump supporters (were they acting as Trump supporters, or people who wanted their basic rights restored?) In a bad light. So a bunch of ignorant, we'll call them Trump supporters, gather at the capitol in protest armed where no one was hurt, no one lost their business, no personal property was destroyed and no cops were smashed in the head with a brick. They just looked like a bunch of over the top idiots. And here you are emotionally screaming that no American should support that, or whatever. But conveniently you were mute while, we'll call them Biden supporters, peaceful rioters were burning, looting and murdering for weeks on end. You're just another example of people pretending to care about decency and kindness. You only care about things if you can blame the other side for whatever it is you pretend to care about.

BTW. Give it a rest with the whole, not wanting to take orders from a woman. Dumb as hell. You realize that there have been similar demonstrations in states governed by men, right? They're not much of men, but still. People with your victim mentality are detrimental to your own cause. Whitmer is a governor who happens to be a woman. She is not above criticism because she's a woman. Just proves that you don’t want equal treatment, you want special treatment.
Men not wanting to take orders from women is one of those truths imbedded in the fabric of our society. And i love the way you grudgingly called the militia Trump supporters. They were out there because Trump told them not to take the lock doen order lying down. As far ad the riots associated with the BLM protesters, i do believe that most of them were not part of the protests but took the opportunity to break into stores and loot. But that is not because i just conjured that up. I also read a great deal about it.
 

durhamgolfer

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What male governor had an armed militia try to ring the government building with weapons?
 
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GhostOf301

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Men not wanting to take orders from women is one of those truths imbedded in the fabric of our society. And i love the way you grudgingly called the militia Trump supporters. They were out there because Trump told them not to take the lock doen order lying down. As far ad the riots associated with the BLM protesters, i do believe that most of them were not part of the protests but took the opportunity to break into stores and loot. But that is not because i just conjured that up. I also read a great deal about it.
You can say that men not wanting to take orders from women is "impeded in the fabric of our society" and there is historical truth to that. But you can't say that THIS is an example of that. You're just being lazy by making the assertion.

Also, weren't they already protesting in Michigan before Trump commented on them? Your claim that they went there because Trump told them to is ********.

Whether the people burning, looting and murdering were part of the protests (I never said they were) or not doesn't exempt them from being labeled as Biden supporters. With your response there alone, shows that I was right when I said that you only pretend to care about these issues.

Either way, we can move on.
 

Mac9192

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@durhamgolfer, @Jtre, and other libs for that matter, when it’s their party that does something stupid, tears and burns **** up, which is all the time, will very briefly say they disagree, as they sprinkle it around blaming the right for their beliefs. Yet when it’s a something done by some small right wing group, which isn’t often, here they come. HOW CAN THESE HATE GROUPS!!!...WHY DOESN’T TRUMP DO SOMETHING!!...WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT FLYNN!!!...

To say they’re delusional is just a start.
 
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Jtre

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@durhamgolfer, @Jtre, and other libs for that matter, when it’s their party that does something stupid, tears and burns **** up, which is all the time, will very briefly say they disagree, as they sprinkle it around blaming the right for their beliefs. Yet when it’s a something done by some small right wing group, which isn’t often, here they come. HOW CAN THESE HATE GROUPS!!!...WHY DOESN’T TRUMP DO SOMETHING!!...WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT FLYNN!!!...

To say they’re delusional is just a start.

Do you realize the only reason I mentioned Flynn's tweet was to point out that it is not just the media who pushes these narratives of responsive violence to Trump's claims, but people close to the President as well?

Also, you can find numerous times throughout this thread where I have been condemner acts of violence. I have been very critical of many Antifa actions, with no qualifier.
 

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Mac9192

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Morris clearly does not understand the basics of jurisdictional requirements or he never would have made some of the statements he does in this little piece of nonfactual fluff. As far as a shot across the bow, it was directed at the Republicans who basically stole one seat during the Obama administration and then rammed through another justice right before an election.
Posts like this one you just made are the reason this site should drug test every poster.
 

BOOGIEMAN1914

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I know things git crazy after the George Floyd incident, but where are these 8 month long burning and destroying cities happening at?
 

Jtre

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I know things git crazy after the George Floyd incident, but where are these 8 month long burning and destroying cities happening at?

There were no 8 months. If something happens next April, people like @Mac9192 and the "news" outlets he follows will say it's been 12 months of looting, rioting and destruction.
 

Jtre

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What are some opinions on this?



If the policy is to make everyone (including children that young) wear a mask then I guess they have the right to kick them off for not being compliant. There might be a lawsuit, but if it specifically states everyone wears a mask then everyone wears a mask. They chose to get on the flight knowing the rules and didn't comply. They're not the first family to be asked to leave a plane for violating a rule.

United should definitely have to compensate the family for not releasing their belongings.

United banning them for life seems like overkill but also suggests more happened once they were asked to leave that didn't make the video.
 

GhostOf301

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If the policy is to make everyone (including children that young) wear a mask then I guess they have the right to kick them off for not being compliant. There might be a lawsuit, but if it specifically states everyone wears a mask then everyone wears a mask. They chose to get on the flight knowing the rules and didn't comply. They're not the first family to be asked to leave a plane for violating a rule.

United should definitely have to compensate the family for not releasing their belongings.

United banning them for life seems like overkill but also suggests more happened once they were asked to leave that didn't make the video.
Did you watch the video? Please watch the video and then give me your opinion on this specific incident.
 

Jtre

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Did you watch the video? Please watch the video and then give me your opinion on this specific incident.

I just now watched the longer video that appears on her instagram. Other than the dude trying to explain survival rates to the person from the airline, I don't feel the family did anything wrong in the video.

It did appear that the airline guy told them they couldn't book another flight and they couldn't fly with United for an undetermined period of time. I did not hear anything about a lifetime ban, but I can understand the confusion.

I still say they should have to shell out some money to the family for the issue with the baggage.

I also still say that if the rules of the airline are everybody on the plane wears a mask then everybody wears a mask. They own the airline and they have the right to makes wearing a mask a requirement.

I feel bad that the people's travel plans were upended.
 

durhamgolfer

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Did you watch the video? Please watch the video and then give me your opinion on this specific incident.
I watched it. I recognize the problem with getting two year olds to do anything but they are not the first couple to have this happen to them. I am not sure what you would have the airline do. Update: United refunded their tickets and returned their luggage and baby seat to them. Also, according to United, the family is not banned for life.
 

GhostOf301

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What else would you have the airline do? I don't know. Recognize that this is a two year old child who is a zero risk passenger who has parents who are doing everything in their power to appease a ridiculous policy even to the point of terrifying their YOUNG daughter and let them get to the place they paid good money to get to. It pisses me off that you guys are willing to concede very little to how fvcked up this is while giving more concessions to AA and their policies that force TWO year olds to comply. If only you guys demanded that adults comply to laws such as, eh, immigration.
 

Jtre

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What else would you have the airline do? I don't know. Recognize that this is a two year old child who is a zero risk passenger who has parents who are doing everything in their power to appease a ridiculous policy even to the point of terrifying their YOUNG daughter and let them get to the place they paid good money to get to. It pisses me off that you guys are willing to concede very little to how fvcked up this is while giving more concessions to AA and their policies that force TWO year olds to comply. If only you guys demanded that adults comply to laws such as, eh, immigration.

I'm not giving concessions to the airline. I'm simply acknowledging that if the rule was in place when they bought the ticket or when they boarded the plane they have to abide by the rule. Both previous posts I've said the airline should have to pay something in the way of damages for the baggage situation.

My son is close in age to the little girl. He knows he is supposed to put on his mask when he leaves the house and he knows what hand sanitizer is. We chose to keep him out of daycare because:

1) We were not comfortable with him being in an environment where kids were not made to wear masks.

2) We were in a position where we could keep him home.

It should piss me off that you're expressing more anger over this two year-old having to get off an airplane than you did a few months ago when we discussed the murder of Tamir Rice, but it doesn't. As I've said before, I'm well aware we all care more about things we're able to relate to. In the end, Tamir's death just like the immigration you brought up, have nothing to do with these folks's travel plans being inconvenienced.
 

Jtre

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I found this on TMZ while reading about the people getting kicked off the plane.



I don't understand what so many of the people who support Donald Trump are so angry about that makes them carry out acts like this.
 

GhostOf301

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I'm not giving concessions to the airline. I'm simply acknowledging that if the rule was in place when they bought the ticket or when they boarded the plane they have to abide by the rule. Both previous posts I've said the airline should have to pay something in the way of damages for the baggage situation.

My son is close in age to the little girl. He knows he is supposed to put on his mask when he leaves the house and he knows what hand sanitizer is. We chose to keep him out of daycare because:

1) We were not comfortable with him being in an environment where kids were not made to wear masks.

2) We were in a position where we could keep him home.

It should piss me off that you're expressing more anger over this two year-old having to get off an airplane than you did a few months ago when we discussed the murder of Tamir Rice, but it doesn't. As I've said before, I'm well aware we all care more about things we're able to relate to. In the end, Tamir's death just like the immigration you brought up, have nothing to do with these folks's travel plans being inconvenienced.
Tamir Rice? Give me a break. I think that was tragic and shouldn't have happened. I don't remember the conversation with you about it, but how does this compare? And I am not saying that immigration has anything to do with this family being "inconvenienced". I am saying that you guys demand TWO year olds to comply with a company's policy (which the parents did everything in their power to do) but you don't demand adults to comply with our country's LAWS in regards to immigration.

And I don't want to be insulting towards your parenting, it is a fine line to tread. But IMO, your view on masks and children is ridiculous. Also, because you happen to have a child similar in age who supposedly knows he needs to wear a mask, doesn't mean that every two year old is going to be 100% obedient 100% of the time. That child was clearly upset and wasn't aware of the consequences for not "complying". Total ********.
 

GhostOf301

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I found this on TMZ while reading about the people getting kicked off the plane.



I don't understand what so many of the people who support Donald Trump are so angry about that makes them carry out acts like this.

You have disappointed me today. I don't know what to say to this. Let's go back to the past 5 years and see all of the people antifa has assaulted. Including elderly women. It doesn't excuse the garbage that we see in the video you posted from Trump supporters. It just exposes you as being no better than the other posters ITT who I previously thought you were better than.
 

Mac9192

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I’ve said it before, @Jtre tries to come off as being fair. It’s an illusion. His true colors eventually come out. I’m not a fan of Trump supporters involved in violence. They should stay away from trouble. Because the way the media spins everything, they will get most, if not all of the blame.
No one will say it, but Antifa, or whatever left wing radical group, was there to cause trouble. Period. THIS WAS A TRUMP RALLY. They should keep their ignorant asses home in their parents basement, or wherever they stay.

Just like when there’s a democrat rally, no one from the right should be there.
 
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Tamir Rice? Give me a break. I think that was tragic and shouldn't have happened. I don't remember the conversation with you about it, but how does this compare? And I am not saying that immigration has anything to do with this family being "inconvenienced". I am saying that you guys demand TWO year olds to comply with a company's policy (which the parents did everything in their power to do) but you don't demand adults to comply with our country's LAWS in regards to immigration.

And I don't want to be insulting towards your parenting, it is a fine line to tread. But IMO, your view on masks and children is ridiculous. Also, because you happen to have a child similar in age who supposedly knows he needs to wear a mask, doesn't mean that every two year old is going to be 100% obedient 100% of the time. That child was clearly upset and wasn't aware of the consequences for not "complying". Total ********.
If you want to go down the immigration road, then how do you support the current president who was well known for hiring undocumented immigrants to work on his various real estate projects?
 

GhostOf301

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So to the point I was making, we have deflected to Tamir Rice and Trump hiring undocumented immigrants. Amazing.
 

durhamgolfer

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So to the point I was making, we have deflected to Tamir Rice and Trump hiring undocumented immigrants. Amazing.
I think the issue is that you keep mixing apples and oranges in your effort to accuse us of being hypocrites. But given that you support someone who has routinely flouted those rules, it seems fair to call out your hypocrisy as well. Perhaps you could just stick to the topic at hand.
 

Mac9192

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Imagine what’s going on with Hunter Biden, this Congressman that’s in bed (literally) with a possible Chinese spy, these governors that don’t follow the rules on masks that they’ve enforced, and the stimulus getting held til after the election, thousands of restaurants that have closed down to Covid restrictions,
the way the election itself has gone......


Imagine if all this was done by Republicans.
 

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Imagine what’s going on with Hunter Biden, this Congressman that’s in bed (literally) with a possible Chinese spy, these governors that don’t follow the rules on masks that they’ve enforced, and the stimulus getting held til after the election, thousands of restaurants that have closed down to Covid restrictions,
the way the election itself has gone......


Imagine if all this was done by Republicans.
Well some of it has been