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I think it is unlikely that Trump wins without an audit+recount in either Michigan or Wisconsin without winning Arizona. Which means that I think it is unlikely that Trump is re-elected. But it is fun keeping hope alive for America.
Yes. I’ve been very clear why I like Trump. He truly has the best interests of our country. Unlike any before him. Did more in 3+ years than any other did, and did so not being liked from day 1. It’s simple really, you just have to take your goggles off.
I guess we'll have to see. From a logical standpoint, I can't see votes getting tossed when the only thing anybody seems to be able to prove is that observers (who were filmed and photographed at counting sites) weren't allowed to initially get closer than 6 feet.
Dead people voting, stopping the count on election night in PA, with Trump up BIG, no oversight. Nah, no problem with mail in voting. Nothing to see here.
This is going to get real stinky over the next while. Let the truth come out, even if Trump doesn’t win.
This is going to get real stinky over the next while. Let the truth come out, even if Trump doesn’t win.
Yeah, I don't think I'm the one who needs to remove goggles.
Clinton balanced the budget and made it easier to access financial aid, thus opening up college prospects to more potential students. He also breathed life into the idea that America is truly a place where anyone can succeed.
Reagan boomed the economy and effectively ended the Cold War (yeah, I know HW Bush was President when it officially ended but it was Reagan who rolled out the policies and navigated many of the turning points that made it possible).
Trump has his tax cut, which isn't near as historical or impactful as he has made it sound, and signed a couple peace agreements in the Middle East, one of which was just formalizing an unofficial agreement between two nations who hadn't warred in decades.
Reagan was a great leader from an unlikely source. Clinton was the beneficiary of timing - the internet revolution started during his watch, a major boon for all and a game changer to this day. The last three years has ( had before covid) brought economic growth, wage growth, middle east peace accords, NATO commitments from our allies, historically low unemployment in all race categories, bipartisan criminal justice reform and returned many of our citizens held by foreign adversaries....all while under constant attack from the media, censorship from the Big tech firms, the opposition party's attacks, and to some degree the Intelligence agencies and life long government officials....hate the man, but I tip my hat to what he got accomplished in his time against severe headwinds.
I hope that the new administration, should it be Biden, is measured against these accomplishments. Though i doubt he will face this level of opposition
Until I there is actual proof (the legal kind not Tweets and YouTube videos), I'll be a non-believer.
It is hard for to take it seriously when:
1. Nobody can come close to lay out the massive logistics of such a heist
and
2. The only guy pushing it traffics in conspiracy theories and has been proven wrong about his biggest (Obama's place of birth, 2016 voter fraud and Ted Cruz's daddy. OK, Cruz isn't among his biggest, I just like bringing it up).
I'll give Trump credit for what you said regarding the returning of citizens as well as the returning of remains. I'll give him credit for the sustained market success but the economic gains and the demographic records were simply following the same trajectories they were already on. I mentioned the Middle East thing earlier, so one of those was real but the second was a PR move.
Thank you for contributing and posting in this thread. You seem like you're here to converse and dialogue which is cool, especially in today's age.
Civil discourse is possible even today when both sides acknowledge there are differences and they dont revolve around perceived personal flaws. Opinions differ, it's who we are and wont ever change.
Peace deals were reached between Arab nations and Israel solely because of Trump’s policies towards Iran. My biggest fear is that we will re-enter a terrible agreement with Iran and completely undermine the progress made in achieving peace in the middle east.
For 4 years, the left has not accepted Trump as our President. It's one thing to not like him, but this was nothing but hate, and more hatred for this President than any before him. All the while, he got stuff done. Lower taxes, lower gas prices, record unemployment, and more money in a family's pocket. But it didn't matter. He could have given every liberal a hundred dollar bill, and you would have cried that it was wrinkled.
Now, we have an election where Trump was winning big in Georgia, Michigan, and especially Pennsylvania. He was also up in North Carolina, Nevada, and Wisconsin. By Monday the 9th, every lead but North Carolina was gone. Michigan and Georgia swung big time to Biden. Georgia was over 300,000 and Michigan more. PA was even a bigger. Biden goes from being down on the 4th by 664,000 to up 45,700 on the 9th. That's a 700,000 voter swing. Arizona is the exception. Biden has led that state since election night. It's the one state that is swinging towards Trump. We are supposed to just accept these huge changes, and how they changed as well?
There is fraud going on, but I'm not sure enough will be proven to overturn Sleepy Joe as the next President.
The same party that has cried for 4 years now is wanting everyone to accept it and "unite." I don't know what's worse, the fact that they can say that with a straight face, or that so many believe it.
Now, we have an election where Trump was winning big in Georgia, Michigan, and especially Pennsylvania. He was also up in North Carolina, Nevada, and Wisconsin. By Monday the 9th, every lead but North Carolina was gone. Michigan and Georgia swung big time to Biden. Georgia was over 300,000 and Michigan more. PA was even a bigger. Biden goes from being down on the 4th by 664,000 to up 45,700 on the 9th. That's a 700,000 voter swing. Arizona is the exception. Biden has led that state since election night. It's the one state that is swinging towards Trump. We are supposed to just accept these huge changes, and how they changed as well?
There is fraud going on, but I'm not sure enough will be proven to overturn Sleepy Joe as the next President.
The same party that has cried for 4 years now is wanting everyone to accept it and "unite." I don't know what's worse, the fact that they can say that with a straight face, or that so many believe it.
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Incorrect. In NC Biden was up about 7% with roughly 70% of the votes counted. I remember because I was excited as hell because had he won, my vote would've been part of an early death knell for Trump. Then it took a hard turn straight to Trump. Disappointing but you don't hear me calling for a recount or claiming fraud. There isn't any evidence and even more, there's nothing to suggest it except for Trump. That's it. He's the only one still claiming. Even his advisors are telling him to stand down because they know it's over. This election was fair and legitimate. Trump lost by 5 million votes, which is unsurprising given that he lost by almost 3 million last time with low turnout.
Biden had large leads Tuesday evening in Ohio, Florida and Texas? Do you think shenanigans took place in those three states?
he was winning big because many or all those states that you mentioned wouldnt let the early and mail in counts be tabulated iirc until election day or something to that effect and election day votes 1st???????...something like that???
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Election Day walk in votes compared to mail in isn’t even the same. There’s already been fraud proven. Computer glitches, and a few dead people have voted, and many, many thousand only going to Biden.
You’re also talking about states stopping the counting, with Trump up big. On election night he took the lead in Texas, Ohio, and I think Carolina. You’re trying to tell me that a system that everyone knows the folks getting off work and voting in the evening add up. Harder to cheat when you walk in, which those states gained by.
This is obvious fraud. I even said I’m not sure if there’s enough to change. Time will tell though. But you guys do a clever diversion, instead of addressing the facts.
I'm telling you Ohio, Florida and Texas (due to state regulations) allowed for early counting of mail-in and early-cast votes. I'm telling you states such as Pennsylvania and Georgia (a Republican run state) stipulated in-person, election day votes be counted first.
We've already established the reason Biden would secure the vast majority of mail-in ballots is because Biden promoted mail-in voting while Trump promoted a theory that Republican mail-in votes would be wind up in rivers.
Let's set partisan differences aside for a moment. Does what I just typed really make no sense to you?
dead people and glitches on going for biden....multiple states, cities, counties...gotta be a lot of people in on that fix....the coordination.....yet mcconnel and graham survived this intricate plot
You're not seeing it all. Trump was leading when the states stopped counting. Then magically in the early morning hours, loads of mail in came in. Other than North Carolina and Arizona, they flipped big time to Biden. Mail in wouldn't be that big a deal, but this year more were allowed. And they aren't able to tell which are legit. Has the station or stations you watch brought up you the machine glitches, or the dead people?
What's worse than not seeing it all, is you don't want to see it all.
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Yes, there is a lot of people in on the fix. You just by mere accident admitted it. Comparing senators races to the president? Can't you do better? Just keep watching. Fraud has happened. You just refuse to admit it.
Yeah. If the left was going to fix this election, don't you think they would have fixed the House and Senate races, not to mention the state races. They are all on the same ballot.
This scenario reminds me of how Trump insisted that it was HRC who courted the Russians to fix the result. Did it never dawn on him that if that were true, she would have won?
As far as dealing with Mac about the election results, I realize that he will never accept the election results and will simply reject any fact based argument. We are just hitting our head against a cyber wall trying to have him put aside his conspiracy theories and accept that his guy lost fair and square.
loads of mail from the post office?...because a whole lot of people chose that route because of the pandemic....again as stated a zillion times, biden talked up the mail in, trump downplayed.....i wish he would have not, but thats the route he chose, why, because as sad as it is mask wearing and views on the pandemic became political...he knew most his folks were gonna come out.....for safety biden talked up mail in.....trump and dejoy tried their best to screw over the usps by taking taking away boxes and sorters in the hopes that a lot of those mail in ballots would be late and or not find their way to where they were intended
We would all be better off if you would bang your head against a wall. I never said I wouldn't accept the election. You're going off your feelings again lady. I am just of firm belief that some major fraud has gone on. I've also said I'm not saying Trump will win. But, cheating has happened.
say many people, someone is bound to flip.....those senate races are mega important...not much trump could do w/o the senate and the house.....to me its too far fetched all that coordination and ballot shifting ....by hey.....waiting on the EVIDENCE
One I don’t think Trump can win with the massive collusion of the media claiming that nothing to see regardless of sworn affidavits under the threat of perjury saying that illegal acts in the benefit of Biden happened.If the Republicans were winning under the same circumstances the media would be reporting on-it 24-7.Prime example is where Bobolinski with documentation showing Biden was involved Hunter’s deals with China were never covered by the main stream media .
I'm seeing plenty. States that were allowed to process and count mail-in votes early wouldn't need to stop counting because they basically had all those votes out of the way and counted election day ballots the same as they would any other year.
States that were required to count in-person election day ballots first got finished with those same as normal but had 50 percent if not more of their counting still to do. Yes they would stop, especially if you consider that not everything had been brought over from drop boxes or the post office.
Why does this seem so damn nefarious to you?
Hammer just met the nail. One word sums this up Topps. Media. That's why they might get away with this. Fox has stated it as fact that we had computer glitches that gave Biden a massive amount of votes. One has to be really close minded to believe that everyone voting by mail in was registered, or better yet, alive.
Accept the election means recognize that all the votes were legitimate. You have made clear that you would not accept that, rather you would acknowledge that Trump had no meaningful way to set aside the illegitimate votes. I don't know why I annoy you so much but all of my posts are based on actual, documented facts. I definitely have feelings about those facts, but I try to put those aside while debating you.
Did the reports also state the ones awarded to Biden in the "glitch" were reversed back? I've read multiple places that happened in Michigan and they reverted back to Trump.
I also read a couple pre-election day articles about terminal folks who voted early, died before November 3 and their votes were not counted.
Finally, how do you think all these unregistered voters got ballots?
Just spitballing here. Let's just say that the democrats believed they had a good chance at gaining seats in the house and possibly flipping the senate without having to manipulate many elections based on internal polls. And they had a system set up in swing states that would push Joe over the line. But then election day came and something they never saw coming was taking place. Trump was outperforming estimates by over 6 million votes. At that time, the swing states just stopped counting ballots. Plan B. Pallets of ballots. People in Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia and Pennsylvania frantically started filling out ballots. But due to the limited time, they only voted for Biden and no down ballot candidates. This would explain the house and the senate not being rigged.
Not an accusation or a prediction, just throwing the possibility out there. But here's a pretty good song for you guys.
Not an accusation or a prediction, just throwing the possibility out there. But here's a pretty good song for you guys.
Where have I said I wouldn't accept the results. Please, show me. I won't deny that I think there's been cheating. I'm very clear with what I say. You and the other libs are like the media. You don't read all the post, and you take the portion you want and run with it.
Fraud has happened. Enough to change the outcome? Time will tell.
Please read ALL the above.
This song is as farfetched as your hypothetical. In the realm of anything is possible, sure but in the realm of sensible probabilities, no chance in hell this happened.
No chance in hell, huh? I think you put too much faith in the process that has been corrupt from the beginning of its existence.
Are you saying you think there is a possibility of hundreds of thousands ballots that were cast for Joe Biden and votes in no other races or that you think there is a possibility of hundreds of thousands of ballots out there with a line through Donald Trump's name and a correction for Joe Biden?
Conservatives will accept the results of the election but for you to pontificate about acceptance is laughable.The Democrats started to undermine tha last election from day one.Everything from Russian collusion to Maxine Waters telling people to harass Trump cabinet officials yet Trump caused all the divisions in the country .GMAFB
Remember. It's all hypothetical. Hypothetically, they would be fresh ballots with just Biden. Let's not forget about plan A, the "glitches".