O/U 0.5 people who wouldn't vote because a police officer wearing a Trump mask... I am going with the under. And I am not calling you a liar. But I have never witnessed anyone being aggressive while voting. Which doesn't mean that it hasn't happened. But I am curious. What exactly happened with this very aggressive Trump guy?
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Verbal diarrhea of the mouth when I didn't want to engage him in conversation about the election. The polling area is no place for that discussion.
You do understand it's not allowed, by anyone to be wearing any article of clothing supporting a particular candidate, right? He should've been turned away before he had the opportunity to vote.
Not being allowed doesn’t equate to voter intimidation.
I definitely agree that it is not the place for that conversation. Hopefully that guy feels the proper amount of shame for his actions.
Was he there on duty, or to vote? He was in the wrong either way. But what is so damned intimating about a mask supporting the other 50% of the ballot?
While I could agree with you in normal circumstances, these are absolutely not normal. No third party candidate is going to win and the people voting for them know it. We do know that the current party in charge has no respect for democratic norms and is basically dangerous to this country. People need to step up to stop this slide to fascism. And if you think that is an exaggeration then we are also facing another and very immediate threat in global warming. If we don't put a party in place that values science and is willing to tackle global warming we will be facing a planet that cannot sustain us. We are already seeing some of the effects of global warming now. Those caravans (the ones that Trump said were being funded by a Jewish banker, an unbelievable dangerous dog whistle btw) in part were the result of people unable to find work because the climate had ruined a lot of their economy. How is allowing all that to happen voting values?
Trump on election night.
Trump as he realizes that he is losing.
Trump after losing the election.
Over the last 150 years, the Republican Party, at its best, built on the legacy of its founders, and championed freedom not only throughout our country, but around the world. In my lifetime, my party insisted upon not just ending, but winning, the Cold War and toppling murderous regimes that denied basic freedoms to their oppressed people. Republicans also were the lead advocates for market-based economic systems that reduced the rate of extreme poverty globally from over 35 percent in 1990 to less than 10 percent in 2017 — an astonishing but largely overlooked achievement that benefited hundreds of millions....
Rather than binding up the nation’s wounds, Trump exacerbates division. Rather than standing up to the world’s dictators, Trump cravenly seeks the favor of thugs. Rather than fostering free enterprise, Trump embraces economic principles not only outdated in Lincoln’s time, but made even worse today by a leader who lost close to a billion dollars in a single year running a casino. Rather than seeking to build on the legacy of the Republican Party’s founders, of which Trump is surely ignorant, Trump has posited a single purpose for the GOP — the celebration of him.
Consequently, America has watched as the Republican Party stopped pursuing its animating principles of freedom and opportunity. It has given up its voice on things that mattered and instead bent the arc of the party towards the baser motives of one man, who is neither a Republican nor a conservative....
I, of course, disagree with Biden on many issues and policies, sometimes vigorously; and it is my fervent hope that he will pursue policies that will help our country heal. But this election is not about those issues or policies. Rather, it is about the course of a nation and the character of her people reflected in the leader they choose. I am asking my fellow Americans to consider what is in your best interests, and not Donald Trump’s.
Crazy... have we ever had a former National Chairman endorse the candidate from the other party?
And while some conservatives will just say “Oh well, he isn’t a real conservative” the same way they awkwardly say it for Condi Rice and Colin Powell... uh, yeah, he is. He was the damn chairman of the RNC. You don’t get to the role in life without being a pretty die hard conservative, and to say otherwise is simply delusional.
Now post the Black voices for Trump folks that have never voted for a republican before and are now.
Post the Hispanics that have traditionally voted Democrat, but are voting for Trump this time around.
Post the Californians, Oregonians, Washingtonians, Illinoians, New Yorkers, and many more who have organized the #walkaway movement.
Some of you need to prepare yourself.
Post the Hispanics that have traditionally voted Democrat, but are voting for Trump this time around.
Post the Californians, Oregonians, Washingtonians, Illinoians, New Yorkers, and many more who have organized the #walkaway movement.
Some of you need to prepare yourself.
I've read different studies over the years that there is usually strong support for Republican candidates due to the high number of Catholics who are essentially single-issue voters. I also believe Trump had comparatively low Hispanic support in 2016.
I can't speak to the state parts so I won't.
Finally, do you know any Black Trump supporters?
Of the black people I work with, two women and a man are voting for Trump. Two of them voted for Hillary in 2016 and the other has never voted. Also, my best friend growing up is full on MAGA.
That's three more than I know.
Have the three you work with explained what he has done over the past four years to swing them as voters?
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The Financial Times written by GOP governor Christie Whitman.
This is a truly historic election, if you look at the broad coalition of who is against Trump. Democrats, sure... but everyone from USA Today to former GOP cabinet members, from the NE Journal of Medicine to former GOP state and national party heads, from Scientific American to a wide swath of former Republican-appointed military and intelligence leaders, from former Republican presidential staff to top GOP political operatives... and yes, even current GOP elected officials and Trumps own former employees. Never seen anything like it in my lifetime. Tells you something, for sure.
You left out the high IQ, very educated school teacher from New Jersey. Don't forget about him. He also hates Trump.
So much for the false hope this was some big Russian disinformation campaign. Wonder if @TheDude1 will believe it now? My guess is he won't considering he still thinks Trump is a Russian asset. I almost feel bad for the guy. Honestly though, I feel bad for the kids he teaches knowing he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Not saying the email thing is legit or not legit, because I don't care as it pertains to this election, but why would you, as a Trump guy, put any value on that report? Trump has spent the last four years telling you the FBI is corrupt and the intelligence community doesn't know anything so why would you believe a report that cites both?
I realize that I am a broken record but you are dead wrong when you dismiss Trump's relationship with the Russians. Facts matter and when you look at Mueller's report as well as reports from the Intelligence services, you see those facts. The fact that Fox News says anything is a reason to disbelieve it. I have not seen any more tempered news site say that this "scandal" looks remotely reasonable. If you have, please let me know.
I'd pose the same question to you. Why can the main stream media and the Democrats just overlook this when they've spent the last four years trying to find some corruption with Trump? It was the biggest deal in the world when they tried to tell us that Trump colluded with Russia (which has now been totally debunked) or even Ukraine (which we know isn't accurate). But now that we KNOW Hunter Biden was corrupt and Joe was covering for him, crickets....Wonder why?
Excuse me, what facts? Mueller found there was no effort to collude with Russia to win the election. There were contacts that took place but those don't automatically mean there was collusion to sway an election. The whole Russian collusion hoax has been put to bed. It wasn't a legit investigation as it was started by Brennan and Clinton. That's been proven and exposed. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not true.
The watershed moment of the Mueller report was essentially if they could absolve the President of any wrongdoing they would but they couldn't so they didn't. Further, Mueller said there was no purpose in criminal recommendations since a sitting President can't be prosecuted. That's summarizing, but that was pretty much it.
You're saying now what you "KNOW," but the reality we know nothing because there hasn't been an investigation.
And honestly, no one cares about Hunter Biden's emails because, until a true investigation is conducted, the whole thing seems like Trump replaying his typical strategy of painting political opponents, or their family members, as criminals. For some reason, nothing ever comes of it.
Now, will you answer my original question? Why would you trust the FBI and the intelligence communities when Trump, someone who you seemingly fully support, has spent the last four years telling you they are corrupt and incompetent?
Just FYI, in our country we are innocent until proven guilty. Mueller couldn't find any crimes and didn't bring charges. That then means the president is innocent.
And of course you don't care about Hunter Biden's emails. You're a liberal who hates Trump. If this would have been Don Jr. or Eric or Ivanka, it would be the biggest scandal of all time. But since he's on "your side" then you turn a blind (ignorant) eye.
I don't like to use the term hate, but yeah, I pretty much despise Trump. I don't care about his kids, and I can actually see how Don Jr is loved by Trump fans. After reading Woodward's most recent book, I actually developed a little respect for Jared Kushner that I didn't have before.
I agree with you about innocent until proven guilty, but I'm sure you would agree that the statement made by Mueller are nothing close to an exoneration.
Finally, my original question, are you going to answer it?
But what you don't get is it doesn't matter that Mueller didn't "exonerate" Trump. It isn't required. That doesn't mean a thing to me.
And you didn't answer my question. Why were liberals and the MSM so hyper focused on corruption when it pertained to Trump? But now when it shifts to Biden, it's not a big deal and looked at as disinformation. Why is that?
I have only had limited conversations with them about it. One of the women said she voted democrat her whole life because that's what she was always told to do. But feels like she has been lied to. I think you'll find that a lot of black people are waking up to this realization. The man, who is also a pretty good friend. Has never been political. But hasn't liked seeing the riots and the calls to defund the police. He is also not a fan of Roy Cooper treating us like children. I think that got him more motivated to register to vote than the actual presidential election.
You seem surprised that black people support Trump. I think he is at least going to double the black vote from 2016.
I'm aware you don't care if Trump or his campaign was exonerated. That is clear.
The second part, I can only guess at because I usually just speak for myself.
The focus on Trump's corruption is because it's easy to focus on something when it is out on front street.
The RNC has paid over $7 million to Trump hotels since Trump took office.
Trump's insistence on staying at his own properties and charging the secret service to stay there.
The use of the White House for campaign events.
The sucking up to dictators of countries to which he happens to also owe large sums of money.
As far as the Russian piece, there was Russian interference and many of those involved with his campaign had significant ties to Russian agents. Combine that with the fact members of Trump's own cabinet have expressed that the only logical explanation for the way Trump behaves toward Putin is that the Russian leader, "has something on him," and it makes it pretty easy to understand why the focus has never left.
As for the Hunter Biden stuff, here we go:
- It follows the same gameplan as four years ago, just with a different person. As a side, most people of any political affiliation (at least pre-Trump's GOP takeover) found it worrisome to constantly push for the incarceration of one's political opponents.
- It's about the candidate's son, not the candidate.
- The only person pushing it is the guy who accused a former political opponent's father of being involved in the JFK assassination.
Lol. Proof to where Trump sucks up to dictators of countries to which he owes large sums of money? It's pretty common occurrence in real estate business to be levered. To act like it's driving Trump's decisions is nothing more than a liberal conspiracy theory not back in reality.
Russian interference doesn't mean Trump had anything to do with it. They also found not one vote was tampered with regarding the election. Having ties to Russian agents doesn't lead to collusion, as Mueller himself couldn't find Trump or anyone associated with his campaign colluded with Russia to sway the election. The idea that the Russian leader "has something on him" is pure liberal nonsense. Nothing has been found. And actually, Trump has been tougher on Russia than the chump Obama ever was. The whole idea that Trump is some compromised asset of Russia defies logic and is on par with 9/11 conspiracy people.
Your response to the whole Hunter/Joe Biden scandal is exactly what I would expect from a partisan person who's only concern is Orange Man Bad! You honestly don't care about the truth regarding the Biden's because you dislike Trump so much. I'd have at least some respect for you if you actually came out and just said that.
I am surprised. None of my family that I have regular dealings with support Trump.
None of my social circle support Trump, even folks who were Republican voters in the past.
None of the work folks who I have conversed with about political matters have ever expressed any positive thoughts about Trump.
One of my frat brothers has a cousin who is a supporter. I know lightweight know the guy and his support seems to lie more in being a hardline Evangelical prohibits him from supporting anyone who believes in or supports gay rights. I'm actually not exaggerating that, as he has directly expressed that sentiment.
So, yeah, I'm pretty surprised.
EDIT: I don't want that last line to sound like I don't believe you. I do, I'm just surprised.
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But I did say that. My first response to you today I actually said, "as it pertains to this election, I don't care."
So Mattis and Coats are liberals? They're who I quoted with the Putin comments. It's why I used quotations. Direct quote. I hear him say how tough he is on Russia. What has he done? He refused to even ask him about the bounty allegations from his own intelligence community. Members of his own intelligence community have stated they were hesitant to brief him on anything involving Russia because he didn't want to hear it and would disregard it. Those aren't liberal talking points, it's **** he has said and **** his people have said.
The sucking up to dictators comment is easy to understand. Look at the way he has treated and the statements he has made about Recep Erdogan and then research how much money he owes to Turkish banks. This **** ain't hard.
An American got murdered and chopped up into bits, and Trump talked about how well he protected the dictator who did it.
I mean, the NATIONAL REVIEW had an entire piece about Trump and his odd relationship to dictators.
It is amazing... a majority of the stuff I post is from CONSERVATIVE SOURCES... yet that doesn't seem to matter.
Khashoggi doesn't count. He only had three American kids and was only here on an exceptional, talented VISA and hadn't applied for citizenship yet.
If he had been from Norway it might have been different. But then again, the Saudis are going to spend all that money so maybe not.
Again, the word collusion is meaningless. It is not a legal term and Mueller stated that specifically. That you keep using it is a bit telling, btw. Anyway, Mueller and the people that worked for him, specifically said that if they could have exonerated the president they would have. Your claim of a lack of legitimacy simply has not been proven and again, did you read the report? It was made public precisely so people could see for themselves. I spent the time and I saw. Until you have done the work, it seems to me that you have not put yourself in a position to have a clear understanding of what happened.
Another correction. Innocent until proven guilty is a mandate for jury trials. That is as far as it is to go. Otherwise could we bring indictments or have bail set. And it was NOT that Mueller couldn't find any crimes. He said that his view was that he was not supposed to weigh in on whether indictments or impeachment proceedings were to be brought. That he was to lay out the facts so the Senate could make a judgment. He did see it was part of his mandate, if no charges could be proven, to make that clear. And, he said that he could not exonerate the president.
I see you
The issue is ******** vs non ******** countries.
And understanding the Mueller thing is hard for certain people. Same folks who say it proved Trump did nothing wrong.
Remember how upset they were when Bill Clinton met with Loretta Lynch on a runway? And I agreed that it was a bad look.
Can you imagine if Obama had all of his campaign managers arrested, and had countless connections to Russia among his minions? Not only that, but he pardoned them, too, so they would keep quiet?
When you are on Roger Stones, Steve Bannons, and Rudy Gulianis side, and siding against James Mattis and Bill McRaven and Cindy McCain, you know you are on the wrong side
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Oh man, speaking of Rudy... this Borat thing sounds INSANE. Poor, dumb Rudy... how do you fall for this, and if you fall for THIS, what else did you fall for?
And to think... as a New Yorker, I used to like the guy, even tho he was a conservative. What on earth happened to him? Sad.
And to think... as a New Yorker, I used to like the guy, even tho he was a conservative. What on earth happened to him? Sad.