Really do have to admire @durhamgolfer and @Jtre for their commitment to arguing with the hopeless Mac and Topps
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Why haven’t any of you limp wrists had anything to say about the COVID restrictions, and the loons called governors that are making those decisions? Crickets. Instead, all y’all want to do is bash Trump, proving that your ignorance is off the charts.
You know why you don't know exactly what the incident is? It's because it's ******** they're throwing at the wall and praying it sticks. Just like Trump having his campaign ask a judge to declare him the winner. It's ********, it's never gonna happen but they are trying everything to hold on to power because of the simple fact that Trump is terrified of going to prison once he's booted out.
Just move on man. Your lost because he's the worst president in American history and people are over it.
I'm asking for examples of discrepancies. A single one. The only thing I've heard referenced is clearly not true.
The source I cited was the state of Michigan. You can cite an source you want, just please explain the discrepancies.
I’ve been clear and have been saying what they “claim.” I’ve also been very clear that it’s my opinion that fraud has happened. Notice I said opinion. I said the Trump team has to prove it. I also said the Trump team “supposedly” removed their suit since the board republicans rescinded their votes. Some very important words, “claim,” “supposedly,” and “opinion.” Notice I didn’t say “fact.”
Everything I've read, regardless of state, simply lists guidelines for Thanksgiving. Regardless of what they're being called, they're not laws so I'm pretty sure failure to abide is not legally punishable.
From a personal standpoint, I don't care because we decided not to travel for the holidays this year.
From a wider standpoint, I'm just glad someone is giving guidance and recommendations. There have been large Covid spikes following Memorial Day, the 4th of July and Labor Day. From what it sounds like, the medical community may not be able to handle the potentially massive spike that could come with Thanksgiving.
Yes, it sucks, but these are the times in which we live. I pray people will be responsible and safe in the coming months as we wait for a (again, prayerfully) effective vaccine to be widely available.
I haven't seen anyone claim that the city of Detroit had more people vote than lived there. I have, however seen the claim that there are multiple precincts within the city of Detroit that had more votes than people. Carry on.
You should read a history book. Trump isnt even in the top 10 worst presidents. First seek to learn and understand.
Yeah. He definitely made a stupid comment. Not his first time. I didn't see that. What I heard was reviews of affidavits. Trump typically spouts off without taking the time to choose his words correctly, which leads to a lot of his frustrating interactions with the media. He could have simply misspoke, or he could have not paid attention to what people were telling him. Either way, he will never admit to a mistake or being wrong. So we'll never know.
There’s not many better than Trump. Word on the street is that Jimmy Carter was the happiest man after Obama served. Carter was no longer the worst.
You have to go back even further in history...there are some really terrible presidents...using hyperbole that modern presidents are the worst is highly inaccurate. Take out the old guys and then the debate gets interesting...like who was the worst 35-45 etc
The most amazing thing would be if he could even read
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Crap answer and you know it. People's best and worst president list is based part in history and a lot on their opinion and that is not researchable. So, can you name ten or were you just blowing smoke?
Good grief....such a poor and pathetic response. And you know it.
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I'll give you guys a concession. I am pretty disappointed in Trump’s reaction to the election. I don't disagree with him challenging it. I disagree with him not doing anything remotely presidential since. He is still president and he needs to address the struggles in his country.
From Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse, as published today by The Hill:
"Based on what I've read in their filings, when Trump campaign lawyers have stood before courts under oath, they have repeatedly refused to actually allege grand fraud-because there are legal consequences for lying to judges."
This was the point I made earlier about the sworn affidavits not really containing anything. There is no threat of perjury if you don't actually make any direct charges or claims in your statements.
"Based on what I've read in their filings, when Trump campaign lawyers have stood before courts under oath, they have repeatedly refused to actually allege grand fraud-because there are legal consequences for lying to judges."
This was the point I made earlier about the sworn affidavits not really containing anything. There is no threat of perjury if you don't actually make any direct charges or claims in your statements.
Poor Rudy. He needs to quit buying his hair dye at the dollar store....
If you didnt see it Rudy and rest of a Trump legal team had a presser yesterday..Rudy's bad dye job was hilarious-
I provided this to give the thread on both sides a little levity.Carry on.....
If you didnt see it Rudy and rest of a Trump legal team had a presser yesterday..Rudy's bad dye job was hilarious-
I provided this to give the thread on both sides a little levity.Carry on.....
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Trump camp says they have the goods. Other side says they don't, and as usual, Trump is lying. If he is wrong, and they don't, they are ruined.
I hear what they have said, watch videos on people "claiming" to say Trump prepared for this. Even though they sound believable, I'm still skeptical.
I don't trust the media, that's for sure.
But, what if they do have the goods, like they claim?
I hear what they have said, watch videos on people "claiming" to say Trump prepared for this. Even though they sound believable, I'm still skeptical.
I don't trust the media, that's for sure.
But, what if they do have the goods, like they claim?
I've seen you reference, "the goods," four or five times. You used it twice in this post. What goods do they supposedly have?
They obviously don't have the goods in Michigan, because they withdrew their own case.
They don't have the goods in Pennsylvania and Arizona because they got thrown out of district court yesterday. They got tossed because they didn't have enough to move forward with any allegations of substance.
They clearly didn't have the goods in Georgia because a Trump-appointed Federal judge threw them out of court and actually excoriated the plaintiff for waiting so long to bring such an empty motion before his bench.
If they have the goods, what are they actually waiting for to show them?
The goods? You don’t know what they’re claiming, do you? Goods = dominion servers, the sworn affidavits, the ballot fiasco.
Why are they waiting? I don’t know. Some of why they’re waiting, from what I’ve heard, is to protect the people’s identity.
I’m not saying they do or don’t. Also, I’m not saying Trump will overturn the election. What I am saying, is his legal team is acting awfully confident they do. Some of the videos I’ve watched say how they’ve done this. Again, I’m still skeptical.
What I do know is the media, in terms of truth, wouldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat.
I know that what they claim is not what they have shown. That would be why their claims have been discredited at virtually every turn, both inside and outside courtrooms. Tucker Carlson even said one of the lawyers rejected his inquiries for actual evidence by telling his people to quit calling. Carlson is an entertainer and not an actual journalist so he might have made up the entire exchange.
You mention how confident they seem. Did that circus yesterday really seem like the actions of people confident in their argument?
The only thing I could think while I was watching was the severe tumble Giuliani. In the months following 9/11 Giuliani was looked at with reverence. Now he's rambling, dripping oil and impersonating Joe Pesci.
The circus? The media thinks they're crazy, and were demanding to know the truth. This is only what I've heard, and I'm not saying it to be true. They have the information. Damaging and huge. The kind of information that is a game changer and mind blowing. So big, they can't just show their hand right now, and they are protecting the people that say they will testify. But, what I'm hearing is some very powerful people will get taking down. These people are said to be behind this election. I do believe in the Establishment, but I find it hard to think they will get taken down. Dominion servers seized? This is major conspiracy talk. If Trump and his team are proven to be 100% wrong, they won't be able to get a job cleaning an Interstate Rest Stop bathroom.
Remember in 16, Trump was the only person that thought he would beat Clinton. No one else did. Supposedly, he knew they would try to cheat then, but the left underestimated the base that voted for him. The story goes that he knew they would try it again this election, and planned ahead. What the left didn't prepare for was the massive amount they would be behind on election night.
Some of you have more faith in our government than I do. About 15 years ago I had a guy tell me stuff about some World Order, or group of elites calling shots. I thought he was crazy. I’m not so sure anymore.
Same group of people sold that Oswald was the only gunman.
If some of you would open your eyes, you’d see how corrupt things are. The media has just led you to think Trump is the blame.
The riots? Organized. So it would look like Trump has caused all this. The truth is, he wasn’t supposed to beat the next anointed one in 2016. They were trying to get him out of office before he ever got to The Office!
Biden is just a useless puppet so they can get things back like they want.
Same group of people sold that Oswald was the only gunman.
If some of you would open your eyes, you’d see how corrupt things are. The media has just led you to think Trump is the blame.
The riots? Organized. So it would look like Trump has caused all this. The truth is, he wasn’t supposed to beat the next anointed one in 2016. They were trying to get him out of office before he ever got to The Office!
Biden is just a useless puppet so they can get things back like they want.
So, yeah. I'm actually going to split your posts in two so I can make sure I'm getting everything.
They have the information and the information is so big they can't divulge it yet. Who are they going to divulge it to? Certainly not the courts, even though that's who you go to in this country when you have a legal dispute. They've been in courtrooms in at least six different states at this point and haven't shown anything remotely close to evidence or proof of any wrongdoing.
You're hearing about some very powerful people who were behind the election and that will get taken down? Who? Yesterday, Giuliani seemed to hint at Hugo Chavez, but I think he may be safe.
Next, who is going to take them down? Apparently not the judicial system as the campaign has had ample opportunity to provide proof of these individuals fixing the election but they have decided not to show it in court.
I like your last part about about if they're able to be proven 100 percent wrong, but how can that happen? Just looking at some of your replies, you have a tendency to view almost anything negative said about Trump as a case of my sources and opinions be biased.
You can only speak for yourself and not other Trump supporters, but what would prove that the election fixing claims are nothing but a hoax wrapped in endless cloaks of nonsense?
The only thing I know to tell you is we have to wait and see. You are expecting to know now, as does our inept media. The Trump team says they have damaging info, and proof. I'm saying if this is what I've heard, you can't just say it now. You also see things way, way different than I do. You see some of the media as good, I see them as sheep. I gave you a great example, and a factual one at that. The riots. Organized, and calculated. As factual as knowing tomorrow is Saturday. I'm not sure you will believe it, even if Trump does have proof.
I know what I'm saying sounds crazy. You go off of the media, AP... and think they tell the truth, and that Trump is reaching, being an angry, sore loser. If what I've heard is true, our socks are getting blown off.