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Jtre

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GhostOf301 said:
You have disappointed me today. I don't know what to say to this. Let's go back to the past 5 years and see all of the people antifa has assaulted. Including elderly women. It doesn't excuse the garbage that we see in the video you posted from Trump supporters. It just exposes you as being no better than the other posters ITT who I previously thought you were better than.
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Sorry to disappoint.

I referenced Tamir Rice because, when we discussed it, you said it was tragic but immediately excused the officer's actions by talking about Tamir pointing a pellet gun at the officer. That didn't happen. The video footage shows the officer pulling up, jumping out and opening fire.

I referenced Tamir Rice because the thought actually entered my mind about how seemingly calm you were in discussing that tragedy but how seemingly (and admittedly) angry you got over this situation. I said I should probably be pissed about that, but as I said, I turned that off. You find yourself able to identify more with the parent who has to take a 2 year-old off the plane than the parent who has to be bury their twelve year-old.

I said the airline has the right to make their own rules. I specifically said they should have to pay restitution for the inconvenience around the baggage. I think that's fair.

Do I think it's overkill to make a 2 year-old wear a mask? Probably. Do I think it is better to require all passengers to wear a mask as opposed to implement an arbitrary age like 5 and older? Again, probably.

I'm really not sure what kind of reaction you want me to give around the situation.

As for the masks on kids thing, we provide care for an elderly family member, so I'm probably more concerned about my child picking up the virus and bringing it home. This is why our child knows about masks and sanitizers. Admittedly, if situations were different, I'd probably be parenting different in this situation.

For the other part, there have been plenty of times in this thread where I have criticized Antifa actions and condemned the violence. I think you can probably find at least once where I called the people being violent and destroying things in the name of Antifa pieces of ****.

I posted the video because I ran across it and we all seem to post a lot of stuff in this thread. I didn't do it as a gotcha to anyone. Based on our interaction, I definitely don't see you being like those people in the video.

I said I don't understand why so many of Trump's supporters are so angry. I don't. Pre-Trump's hostile takeover of the party (Jared Kushner's words, not mine), I don't remember Republicans being so angry.
 
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Mac9192 said:
I’ve said it before, @Jtre tries to come off as being fair. It’s an illusion. His true colors eventually come out. I’m not a fan of Trump supporters involved in violence. They should stay away from trouble. Because the way the media spins everything, they will get most, if not all of the blame.
No one will say it, but Antifa, or whatever left wing radical group, was there to cause trouble. Period. THIS WAS A TRUMP RALLY. They should keep their ignorant asses home in their parents basement, or wherever they stay.

Just like when there’s a democrat rally, no one from the right should be there.
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That video was not what most would consider a rally.

That was a gang (complete with colors) out in the street beating the **** out of what looked to be one man and one woman. Whatever happened at the rally didn't justify that ****.

That said, based on your last point about who shouldn't be there, do you feel Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have been anywhere near Wisconsin to kill those two people?
 
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Jtre

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GhostOf301 said:
@Jtre why are so many anti Trumpers so angry?
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Because so many take personal offense to the messages he sends out.

He trafficks in stereotypes and dog whistles. So much so that almost every demographic of people in this country other than straight, white evangelical Christian males has at some point over the past four years found themselves on the stereotype-laden business end of his rhetoric.

Let me be clear, that does not excuse violence.
 
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Jtre said:
I found this on TMZ while reading about the people getting kicked off the plane.



I don't understand what so many of the people who support Donald Trump are so angry about that makes them carry out acts like this.
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Isn’t that those idiot Antifa punks who attack Trumpsters for no reason?
 
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Mac9192

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No one from any group left of center should be 10 miles from a Trump rally/protest. The same goes if Biden has a rally. Stay away. Antifa showed up to antagonize Trump’s supporters. There’s a group of Trump supporters pissed enough to fight. They are angry with DC, and anyone should at least understand that.

Of course, there’s not much going on at Biden rallies. They don’t even draw flies.
 
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Mac9192

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Jtre said:
That video was not what most would consider a rally.

That was a gang (complete with colors) out in the street beating the **** out of what looked to be one man and one woman. Whatever happened at the rally didn't justify that ****.

That said, based on your last point about who shouldn't be there, do you feel Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have been anywhere near Wisconsin to kill those two people?
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I don’t know why Kyle Rittenhouse was there. One could make the argument that he should have stayed away. But he was jumped, and wound up defending his self.
 
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Mac9192 said:
I don’t know why Kyle Rittenhouse was there. One could make the argument that he should have stayed away. But he was jumped, and wound up defending his self.
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Lmao. Yeah I'm sure everyone should be completely calm with a 17 year old waving around an assault rifle. He wasn't defending himself, people were simply trying to disarm his dumb *** and he murdered them. Kyle Rittenhouse is simply a vile human being who has no right to be out walking around and enjoying life.
 
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Mac9192 said:
No one from any group left of center should be 10 miles from a Trump rally/protest. The same goes if Biden has a rally. Stay away. Antifa showed up to antagonize Trump’s supporters. There’s a group of Trump supporters pissed enough to fight. They are angry with DC, and anyone should at least understand that.

Of course, there’s not much going on at Biden rallies. They don’t even draw flies.
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So you victim blame no matter their political leanings? That is the first time I've seen you show anything resembling consistency with anything you have said.
 
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GhostOf301 said:
Tamir Rice? Give me a break. I think that was tragic and shouldn't have happened. I don't remember the conversation with you about it, but how does this compare? And I am not saying that immigration has anything to do with this family being "inconvenienced". I am saying that you guys demand TWO year olds to comply with a company's policy (which the parents did everything in their power to do) but you don't demand adults to comply with our country's LAWS in regards to immigration.

And I don't want to be insulting towards your parenting, it is a fine line to tread. But IMO, your view on masks and children is ridiculous. Also, because you happen to have a child similar in age who supposedly knows he needs to wear a mask, doesn't mean that every two year old is going to be 100% obedient 100% of the time. That child was clearly upset and wasn't aware of the consequences for not "complying". Total ********.
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What adults are you referencing who do not abide by our laws of immigration?
 
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Mac9192

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Shatterthesky22 said:
Lmao. Yeah I'm sure everyone should be completely calm with a 17 year old waving around an assault rifle. He wasn't defending himself, people were simply trying to disarm his dumb *** and he murdered them. Kyle Rittenhouse is simply a vile human being who has no right to be out walking around and enjoying life.
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What a stupid post. Sheesh.

As long as you continue to post, @durhamgolfer and @Jtre aren’t the worst posters.
 
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There is absolutely no doubt that some individuals who labelled themselves as Antifa have been involved in violent attacks but again Trump managed to market them as a more organized group that were more dangerous than the white supremacist groups that supported him. As with everything else, Trump's statements were wildly inaccurate. Here are three articles about what Antifa really is.



 
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durhamgolfer said:
There is absolutely no doubt that some individuals who labelled themselves as Antifa have been involved in violent attacks but again Trump managed to market them as a more organized group that were more dangerous than the white supremacist groups that supported him. As with everything else, Trump's statements were wildly inaccurate. Here are three articles about what Antifa really is.



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Incredible you using the Washington Post as a credible even handed news source
 
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topps coach said:
left wing idiots like you that want unlimited illegal immigration but calling you an adult is a stretch
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You should add all those rich Republicans who have consistently hired undocumented workers for various jobs because they could get away with paying them less. Trump is one.
 
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Mac9192 said:
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Did you read the article? It is very short on facts and long on relying on Donald Trump's tweets. But there is this: "It's not clear that Antifa is behind all or even most of the violence in the widespread protests. But the movement has been a target of Republican politicians who have made clear they stand with peaceful protesters they say are justifiably angry about Floyd's death and other racially charged interactions between African-Americans and police in recent months."
 
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GhostOf301

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durhamgolfer said:
It seems fairly accurate. Want to articulate your problem?
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It's not accurate at all. Just because people have to opinion that players should stand for the anthem, doesn’t mean that anyone thinks they should be forced to. In fact, overwhelmingly people acknowledge that it is their right to kneel. It is just not respected by some. But you, as someone who wants to defend antifa, wouldn't get it.
 
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durhamgolfer

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GhostOf301 said:
It's not accurate at all. Just because people have to opinion that players should stand for the anthem, doesn’t mean that anyone thinks they should be forced to. In fact, overwhelmingly people acknowledge that it is their right to kneel. It is just not respected by some. But you, as someone who wants to defend antifa, wouldn't get it.
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First of all, that is absolutely not true. There were definitely people who said the players should be forced to stand. Trump actually tweeted out that the clubs should fire any player who did not stand. I have worked for the government my entire career, so believe me, I respect the flag as much as I love this country, which is a lot. As far as Antifa, I am not defending their use of violence. But you guys seem to think this is an organized group that is aligned with the Democrats and who is pretty much responsible for all the violence in the past six months. All of that is incorrect. Moreover, both Pelosi and Biden have condemned their violence in no uncertain terms. Very different from "Stand cack and stand by" issued by Trump to the Proud Boys
 
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GhostOf301

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Pelosi and Biden have condemned their violence in no uncertain terms. If you were joking, you'd be funny. But you seriously believe that, which makes you pathetic.
 
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It pisses me off to no end that we're always able to pass bipartisan bills for the Pentagon's budget but this congress is struggling passing anything substantial for everyday working Americans. We need a stimulus bill that has PPP that helps real small businesses, extends unemployment, has a moratorium on evictions, and UBI for Americans or at least another $1,200 check. Pelosi is a grandstander. McConnell is the ******* devil. People are hurting right now and the majority of congress is letting it happen during a pandemic. People are getting kicked out of their homes during a pandemic. And these two have played politics with people's lives during the whole thing.
 
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durhamgolfer said:
You should add all those rich Republicans who have consistently hired undocumented workers for various jobs because they could get away with paying them less. Trump is one.
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This is one time I agree with you.If you are not in the country legally you should not be allowed to take a citizen’s job as it depresses the wages of people who need the income.The liberals want this immigration flood because they think that it gives them an advantage at election time
 
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If true, hope this ends all the Cuomo has a bright future in the party talk and he's not brought into the Biden cabinet as the AG.

 
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Mac9192

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topps coach said:
This is one time I agree with you.If you are not in the country legally you should not be allowed to take a citizen’s job as it depresses the wages of people who need the income.The liberals want this immigration flood because they think that it gives them an advantage at election time
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It’s been said for a long time that Republicans want the illegals for the labor, and Democrats want them for their vote.
 
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