You do realize that there is simply no way for undocumented immigrants to vote, right? Even a green card holder has to wait five years before he/she can apply for citizenship and thus be able to vote.
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These are facts. Mac doesn't deal in facts. It's more about feelings with him.
Sure. I'll waste my time.
You said that Pelosi and Biden in no uncertain terms denounced "their" violence. As in antifa. That is a downright lie. They repeatedly brush them off as an idea when asked to denounce antifa. Their half-assed denouncing of violence was in regards to the violent protests across the country during the burn loot and murder tours. And it came after 100 days of violence. I don't need to read some piss poor journalism trying to fact check what we all saw with our own eyes.
Calm down there. No need to give yourself a heart attack. Also, I watched Biden, during the protests, telling the looters etc to cut it out and condemning it.
Wow. You took a general comment made and had to find a way to disagree with it.
Only you and the libs here can totally twist something all to hell. You are way too educated lady, but your bottle is empty on common sense.
Let me rephrase then: dems want immigrants for their vote. Sorry.
You’re so full of ****. Had any of these gutless democrats REALLY denounced the rioting, looting, murder done by these left wing radicals, it would have stopped.
But they had no desire to. It was all planned, and you’re too ignorant to see it.
Given that Trump insisted that the only reason he did not win the popular vote was that 3 million undocumented immigrants voted for Clinton and given that you have swallowed every lie Agent Oranges has spewed forth, why wouldn't I have assumed you were suggesting that Dems were trying to get undocmented immigrants to vote.
he clearly typed:
"It’s been said for a long time that Republicans want the illegals for the labor, and Democrats want them for their vote."
You can get cheap labor from an illegal, but you cant get a vote for an illegal
the overwhelmingly majority of those jobs are jobs that most Americans frown upon and aren't jobs where a social security number or W2 form is needed...i dont quite see it as taking, but more so necessity for the economy
@durhamgolfer, ********. Antifa didn’t just magically pop up. They are secretly funded. The truck that comes up and they get stuff from the back, pallets of bricks laying there for them.... Anyone who is rational admits it. The reason the left didn’t truly condone their actions is someone bigger than them is doing the funding.
Just because something sounds crazy, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
Just because something sounds crazy, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
This is a false narrative with small truths. Trade jobs are some that are relied upon to employ millions of Americans who don't have the the abilities or the opportunities for a college education or the jibs that come with that. It is somewhat true that the majority of the jobs are jobs that most Americans don't want to do. But the biggest truth is that most Americans don't want to do them for the wages that illegal immigrants do them for.
Yes and no. There are certain jobs, like picking fruits and lettuce, that Americans won't take almost no matter the wages. My understanding is that it is not quite so clear cut that trade workers do worse when there are more immigrants although it is also not so clear cut that they do better. Another truth is that there are cities in this country that don't have enough inhabitants to run their cities and would love to have more immigrants come live there. Another truth is that immigrants tend to bring new ideas with them and so contribute to the economy where-ever they settle. The now ubiquitous salad bars were thanks to South Koreans who came here and worked like dogs to establish those businesses.
There is no problem with legal immigrants. It is the illegal immigrants and more specifically the people who hire them that are handicapping the wages.
I get that and my answer definitely blended the two. Also, the IRS often knows who is working illegally and they could go after them but they don't. that is because these guys are paying into the tax coffers and yet will be unable to use any of the social services that come with it. So those of you on Social Security might want to thank the undocumented immigrant that paid federal tax.
Yeah. And those illegals who get food stamps and send money back to their countries without the majority of it getting cycled back to the economy can thank us tax payers? Jesus you people will try to rationalize anything just to argue.
Nothing will ever get them to admit that illegal immigration is not a detriment to the country.The idea that Americans will not do hard Manuel labor is ludicrous.If illegals were not here they would gladly work and get paid fairly if not for the illegals willing to work for what they consider a good salary.
which trades are you referring to?....construction would be my main thought....but farming and agriculture...landscaping....and maids and cooks and caregivers within homes......
Gentleman, undocumented immigrants CANNOT get federal benefits. Not one, not at all. Only immigrants who are here legally are entitled to those benefits and then only after they have lived here legally for five years. How about you guys get educated before you start throwing these barbs.
I think the work they do is positive for the economy, because it gets an essential job done....the ones hiring should def be the first to scrutinize, but you gonna be hard pressed to get folks into the fields from the agricultural standpoint...assuming with the margins and some greed, those jobs aren't gonna pay their worth?????
Immigrants pay more than their fair share of taxes and make vital contributions to the United States. Despite their hard work and the fact that their wages are often low, immigrants are not eligible for food stamps or other basic safety-net services on the same basis as U.S. citizens.
Food stamps are available only to U.S. citizens and limited categories of lawfully residing immigrants.
- Undocumented immigrants are not, and never have been, eligible for food stamps.
- In 1996, most lawfully residing immigrants were cut from the Food Stamp Program, including many immigrants who had been living and working in the U.S. for several years. Recognizing the severe inequity and harm caused by this policy, Congress enacted two bills (in 1998 and 2002) restoring eligibility for some categories of immigrants.
- However, most lawfully residing adults cannot receive food stamps on the same basis as citizens until they have been in the U.S. in a specified “qualified” immigrant status for five years.
Suggest you learn how to read.Nothing in my post said anything about federal benefits.My post says that if illegal immigrants were not here taking jobs would force wages up for citizens .That is simple supply and demand economics
If these jobs were not taken by illegal immigrants the wages would be higher.Farmers are not going to let their crops either on the vine.
We have finally hit a subject where the liberals here actually make good points. There is no good answer. Cheap labor means cheaper costs at stores.
The issue not being talked about is the immigrants are glad to be here. That’s what is lost on many.
The issue not being talked about is the immigrants are glad to be here. That’s what is lost on many.
Farmers would be forced to pay more if the labor supply is smaller.
unless Democrats control the voting sites
This might be the most absurd thing you have said. Undocumented workers live in constant fear of being discovered by the government and deported. do you think they would show up to vote? an action that is about as government as you can get? and your complete disdain for Democrats is remarkable.
Okay, I understand wanting people to go through the proper channels to get into our country legally, but lets be totally honest here, the vast majority who manage to get in illegally aren't here to steal jobs or avoid taxes. They are here to try to build a better life for themselves or their families, getting away from a country that is absolutely full of rampant corruption, gang violence, and worst of all the cartel. I cannot blame anyone for wanting to get away from that. It's not particularly safe.
But here's the other thing, most are going to the border and attempting to cross legally, and then turned away. When you turn them away, and they know what's back home, they're not just gonna shrug their shoulders and go back, they're gonna try to find another way. Personally I feel we that the way to tackle this is to either send military support to Mexico and help them get rid of their myriad of issues, which would obviously help cut down on the number of people trying to enter our country. I know that's not ideal and most wouldn't be in favor of sending our guys and girls down there fight someone else's battle but, unfortunately it has become our fight. If not that then we need to open our borders and help these people find their way in our country.
But yeah, as it stands the issue is far bigger than just people entering here illegally, maybe you should look and see WHY exactly they are willing to risk it and understand that there is no simple solution.
My disdain is well justified.They know that Democrats will shield them if they vote so they have little to no no fear about deportation.
I don’t blame them either but if they sneak in they should not get health care a job or any other benefits.Don’t understand your comment about Mexico.It is not just Mexicans coming into the country.
Yeah I know, I just didn't feel like listing every country in South America dealing with those issues lol. Then let's help them cross legally and speed up the process. That way we have far fewer illegals.
This is absolutely ridiculous and made with absolutely no proof. in fact, every task force that has been put together to study this has found no evidence of undocumented immigrants voting.
So now you are talking about getting health care and other benefits. As I stated above, undocumented immigrants can't get those things.
Those are adults who broke laws. To the original point, the family that got kicked off their flight, separated from their belongings and majorly inconvenience, was treated that way because a TWO year old girl was not "complying". I know things tend to get sent into further conversation than originally intended. But that was my original point. One that you have solidified here. People are more willing to defend an airline for enforcing a ridiculous policy over an infant child who was upset than they are to defend law enforcement for enforcing immigration laws.
To your points. I fully understand that most people who come here are looking for a better life. I also understand that we have millions of people who are American citizens that are also looking for a better life. And those people are most affected by illegal immigration. I also understand that it is not only good people crossing the border illegally. There are very bad people who are going to cause harm on our society. Whether it be through funneling drugs or direct violence on our communities. I also understand that some of the good people who cross illegally were turned away when they tried to enter legally. That does not excuse them breaking our laws. That's called cutting in line. We have a process for a reason. Yes. I sympathize with people who have tough lives and respect their reasons for taking the chances they do. But we can't help the number of people in this country that needs help as it is. And they are the ones who suffer from illegal immigration.
And every Democratic presidential candidate including Biden and Harris said they would give free healthcare to to illegal immigrants.
Topps, cut it out. We won’t have you bringing up stuff like this, even if you are right.