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Trump did not give his first state of the union address until 2018. The past six presidents did not give a state of the union address their first year in office. Biden is simply doing the same.
I stand corrected on the state of the union. But, is that all you got? What about the rest of what was said? Or does your silence on everything else posted speak volumes?
I’m interested in reading yours, or anyone else’s take for that matter, on the overall state of Biden, and his leadership.

And what about the BLM co founder and her rather pricey purchase? Or is this another silent/ignore moment?
 

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Is asking someone for an ID racist? Of course not.

There was a line in the Fay Vincent article posted earlier that where Vincent writes that MLB should not have pulled the All-Star game without first protesting the substance of the law. The substance of the law is something many on both sides seem to be missing.

First, look at the onslaught of 2021 in a historical context.

In 1870, the 15th Amendment gave Black men the right to vote. Shortly thereafter, you saw a massive rise in things like poll taxes and literacy tests. Poll taxes were often made to be paid at police precincts and were sometimes backdated all the way to the time the individual became of legal voting age. Literacy tests were mostly administered at the polling station and the questions asked were left up to the poll worker. As you can imagine, these tactics were highly successful in keeping Black folks from casting ballots.

The 24th Amendment was passed in 1962, which outlawed the poll tax. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 outlawed the use of literacy tests as a requirement for voting.

Amazingly enough, the 1970s saw a rise in states attempting to enact voter ID laws as well as to ramp up efforts to purge voter rolls. Prior to the changes of 1962 and 1965, the only state to have any voter ID law was South Carolina, which passed theirs in 1950. As it should go without saying, these actions were not as successful at voter suppression as earlier moves.

Now, moving on to present day. The "voter integrity" push of 2021 has actually been anticipated and predicted for a while.

Stuart Stevens, a lifelong Republican who worked as a media strategist on the Dole, GW Bush, John McCain and Mitt Romney presidential campaigns, wrote in his book, "It Was All a Lie," that had basically given up on the idea of expanding their appeal and seemed more interested in simply limiting voter turnout. He would have written this sometime in 2018 or 2019, well before the pandemic and the subsequent outrage over absentee voting.

In addition to predictions like Stevens's, another commonly discussed topic following 2018 and 2020 is the ability of the the GOP to continue to win statewide elections in certain Republican-strongholds. The states most often mentioned were Arizona, Florida, Georgia and Texas. These states would still most-likely have strong red state legislatures due to districting, but it would be a challenge overcoming the heavily Democratic metropolitan areas and their surrounding suburbans. With the direction the Republican party seems to be headed, it should be no surprise that it will take big losses in areas like Atlanta and Phoenix. If the current party line continues to be walked and those cities to continue to grow with educated whites and people of color flocking to them for career purposes, those losses will likely continue and could possibly begin to be seen in Texas and Florida.

The last paragraph is where the Georgia voting laws get into suppression and appear to be what Steven's predicted in a reaction to the losses of 20.

Some of the interesting parts:

1. The Secretary of State is removed as the chairperson of the State Election Board. This is highly unusual and appears to be have been done as a shot at Brad Raffensperger.

2. Three of the five slots on the State Election Board are appointed by the State Legislature. This is important because the state legislature is heavily Republican due to geographic districting throughout the state while the greater Atlanta area is highly democratic and seemingly getting bluer. It should be noted here that the greater Atlanta area has a population of over six million where the entire state is just above 10 million.

3. The food, water and making it increasingly difficult to extend voting hours. These are going to disproportionately affect cities which, in Georgia, disproportionately affects Black folks.

4. Reducing the number of voting machines to 1 per 250 voters. Again, the areas most affected by something like this is metro areas, which in Georgia are highly populated by Blacks.

5. Limiting of drop boxes of 1 per county and no greater than 1 per 100,000 voters. Again, this is simply a way to make it more inconvenient for metro residents to vote.

I'm not going but the last thing I would like to point out is the inclusion of legislation around the ability to file complaints.

An anonymous hotline will be created where people can log complaints about suspected voter fraud. This combined with giving the SEB the ability to sanction any county that doesn't investigate a claim is a disaster waiting to happen.

So, back to the beginning. Is asking or requiring someone to provide their ID for something racist? No.

It is hard, though, to read through many of the measures of the Georgia law while looking at a few surrounding circumstances and not conclude that the purpose of the law is to make it more difficult for voters in heavily-populated areas to vote, which are people who are less likely to vote Republican. In Georgia, the majority of the folks in those areas are Black.

This is not as out front as poll taxes and literacy tests. It doesn't mean that it is any which should surprise no one, but one sid
I stand corrected on the state of the union. But, is that all you got? What about the rest of what was said? Or does your silence on everything else posted speak volumes?
I’m interested in reading yours, or anyone else’s take for that matter, on the overall state of Biden, and his leadership.

And what about the BLM co founder and her rather pricey purchase? Or is this another silent/ignore moment?
I wish Lyin joe would start giving weekly briefings. Fireside chats fdr style to let us know how evil we all are and how our ancestors fought and died for nothing. And then he can teleprompt on how to make amends Bow down question nothing wear your mask. Mark steyn has given his son a new title. Prince hunter duke of crack
 

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I stand corrected on the state of the union. But, is that all you got? What about the rest of what was said? Or does your silence on everything else posted speak volumes?
I’m interested in reading yours, or anyone else’s take for that matter, on the overall state of Biden, and his leadership.

And what about the BLM co founder and her rather pricey purchase? Or is this another silent/ignore moment?
The only thing my silence speaks is my recognition that there is no point in debating. You have said how you feel time and time again and I have said how I feel. Nothing is going to change. This was a demonstrable fact that was not up for debate, which is why I posted what I did on the SOL.
 

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The only thing my silence speaks is my recognition that there is no point in debating. You have said how you feel time and time again and I have said how I feel. Nothing is going to change. This was a demonstrable fact that was not up for debate, which is why I posted what I did on the SOL.
You could actually acknowledge that if the leaders of the BLM movement had their wishlist come to fruition. (Open borders, defund the police, destruction of the nuclear family) it would harm most the people it claims to save. People would respect you more if you didn’t blindly follow the woke Twitter mob and parrot nonsensical cnn talking points. That said I enjoy your posts and enjoy our back and forths.
 

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/hi-a-tus/

A word many liberals on social media use but clearly don't know the meaning of.
this is a listserve that everyone can join and post to their heart’s content. i decided that i would post because i saw an error in Mac’s post, which was something he acknowledged. i should be able to do that without you calling me ignorant.
 
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this is a listserve that everyone can join and post to their heart’s content. i decided that i would post because i saw an error in Mac’s post, which was something he acknowledged. i should be able to do that without you calling me ignorant.
I didn't call you ignorant. And I fully agree that everyone is free to post without limitation. Your opinions are just as important as mine. I just find it funny that you (not only you) continually claim to be done with conversations only to return time and time again. It's certainly your right to do so. But it's just funny. You still haven't admitted to being wrong about Cuomo btw.
 
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I didn't call you ignorant. And I fully agree that everyone is free to post without limitation. Your opinions are just as important as mine. I just find it funny that you (not only you) continually claim to be done with conversations only to return time and time again. It's certainly your right to do so. But it's just funny. You still haven't admitted to being wrong about Cuomo btw.
this is a listserve that everyone can join and post to their heart’s content. i decided that i would post because i saw an error in Mac’s post, which was something he acknowledged. i should be able to do that without you calling me ignorant.
Bless your heart Durham
this is a listserve that everyone can join and post to their heart’s content. i decided that i would post because i saw an error in Mac’s post, which was something he acknowledged. i should be able to do that without you calling me ignorant.
this is a listserve that everyone can join and post to their heart’s content. i decided that i would post because i saw an error in Mac’s post, which was something he acknowledged. i should be able to do that without you calling me ignorant.
bless your heart Durham but I’ve taken my dog on walks that lasted longer than your “hiatus”
 
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We’ve got real problems in this country. For one, a vegetable as President, yet some kid is worried about posting dumbass memes of a congressman. Like he’s the real problem.

But like they say, if you can’t talk issues, try to slander. What a retarded post this crest made.
 
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We’ve got real problems in this country. For one, a vegetable as President, yet some kid is worried about posting dumbass memes of a congressman. Like he’s the real problem.

But like they say, if you can’t talk issues, try to slander. What a retarded post this crest made.

 

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We’ve got real problems in this country. For one, a vegetable as President, yet some kid is worried about posting dumbass memes of a congressman. Like he’s the real problem.

But like they say, if you can’t talk issues, try to slander. What a retarded post this crest made.
Whether gaetz is guilty or not it’s virtually irrelevant while the dems look for anything to distract the public from the fact that our country is in rapid decline our President is a buffoon and our Vice President cackles like a hyena when she actually is asked a question unrelated to what brand sneakers she prefers
 
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Nah, I just think you’re a loser.
Speaking of one tricks you excel in personal attacks.
Most of us are here for a serious debate regarding policy and the direction of this country. You seem to be more interested in memes and high school nonsense. God bless you if that’s how you get your rocks off. Lord knows I wish could that easy
 

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Speaking of one tricks you excel in personal attacks.
Most of us are here for a serious debate regarding policy and the direction of this country. You seem to be more interested in memes and high school nonsense. God bless you if that’s how you get your rocks off. Lord knows I wish could that easy
The left avoids conversations involving policy at all costs. They would rather focus on the failures or the perceived failures of the right. That and social issues that either don't exist at all or are being heavily exaggerated
 
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Mac9192

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The left avoids conversations involving policy at all costs. They would rather focus on the failures or the perceived failures of the right. That and social issues that either don't exist at all or are being heavily exaggerated
I’ve yet to read a post from any of them on positive things Biden has done. Instead, it’s as you said. We’ve been educated on voting laws by @Jtre, but no explanation as to why the President is kept away from the camera.

We know why they’re afraid to have that conversation.
 

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Speaking of one tricks you excel in personal attacks.
Most of us are here for a serious debate regarding policy and the direction of this country. You seem to be more interested in memes and high school nonsense. God bless you if that’s how you get your rocks off. Lord knows I wish could that easy
Are you serious with this? Have you looked at IFaze's memes, many of which have racist overtones, which he posts to try to offend people? Or how about Mac's delightful nicknames like Drunken Queen of the Batshit Crazy? Or alternating between attacking me, Shattersky or Jtre as the stupidest most delusional posters. In fact Mac, and Top pretty much answer all of our posts by just telling us we are nothing more than morons. There is no serious debate going on around here at all. God bless Jtre because he really does try to answer rationally and all he gets for his troubles are insults or refusals by certain people to accept his rational arguments because they prefer hanging on to their unproven conspiracy theories. Then there is you insulting me and telling me you are happy that I am not posting. Which part of that was serious debate?
 

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Are you serious with this? Have you looked at IFaze's memes, many of which have racist overtones, which he posts to try to offend people? Or how about Mac's delightful nicknames like Drunken Queen of the Batshit Crazy? Or alternating between attacking me, Shattersky or Jtre as the stupidest most delusional posters. In fact Mac, and Top pretty much answer all of our posts by just telling us we are nothing more than morons. There is no serious debate going on around here at all. God bless Jtre because he really does try to answer rationally and all he gets for his troubles are insults or refusals by certain people to accept his rational arguments because they prefer hanging on to their unproven conspiracy theories. Then there is you insulting me and telling me you are happy that I am not posting. Which part of that was serious debate?
I told you the other day that I valued your posts but I fear that you thought I was being sarcastic. When your leader calls voting id laws Jim Crow on steroids this does not exactly set the tone for rational debate.
 

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Are you serious with this? Have you looked at IFaze's memes, many of which have racist overtones, which he posts to try to offend people? Or how about Mac's delightful nicknames like Drunken Queen of the Batshit Crazy? Or alternating between attacking me, Shattersky or Jtre as the stupidest most delusional posters. In fact Mac, and Top pretty much answer all of our posts by just telling us we are nothing more than morons. There is no serious debate going on around here at all. God bless Jtre because he really does try to answer rationally and all he gets for his troubles are insults or refusals by certain people to accept his rational arguments because they prefer hanging on to their unproven conspiracy theories. Then there is you insulting me and telling me you are happy that I am not posting. Which part of that was serious debate?
Re personal attacks. I was thinking more about liberal politics in general than a Cbb message board. Like parrots who use racist chants to suppress dissent To get out of trouble This is what I would construe as a personal attack writ large.
 

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Re personal attacks. I was thinking more about liberal politics in general than a Cbb message board. Like parrots who use racist chants to suppress dissent To get out of trouble This is what I would construe as a personal attack writ large.
hard to get that meaning from your dressing down of Crest
 
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I told you the other day that I valued your posts but I fear that you thought I was being sarcastic. When your leader calls voting id laws Jim Crow on steroids this does not exactly set the tone for rational debate.

Good morning. You've mentioned being on here for debate and discussion, and I'm with that. Occasionally one of the memes will make me laugh but, like you, I prefer discussion and commentary.

You made several references to the Georgia voting laws. I posted a detailed explanation of my issues with it (a post you quoted by the way) and you have brought the Georgia law back up in the post I just quoted. At no time since my post, however, have you typed anything to counter my points or provide any debate about them.

I'm just curious, since you acknowledged most of us are here for serious debate, why do seem to you only want to make fun of those who object to the Georgia voting laws rather than to actually discuss the merits of the law?
 

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Good morning. You've mentioned being on here for debate and discussion, and I'm with that. Occasionally one of the memes will make me laugh but, like you, I prefer discussion and commentary.

You made several references to the Georgia voting laws. I posted a detailed explanation of my issues with it (a post you quoted by the way) and you have brought the Georgia law back up in the post I just quoted. At no time since my post, however, have you typed anything to counter my points or provide any debate about them.

I'm just curious, since you acknowledged most of us are here for serious debate, why do seem to you only want to make fun of those who object to the Georgia voting laws rather than to actually discuss the merits of the law?
Honestly I wasn’t in the mood when you posted your dissertation the other day, but it appeared well written and researched. However this is 2021 and I’ve already made up my mind so it’s not like anyone’s ever going to tell you that “you’re so damn brilliant I didn’t know that!” I’m gonna start voting Democrat. If that’s what you’re hoping to accomplish mission fail. If you’re trying to show everyone how smart you are, jury still out. It’s clear you’re an intelligent human but your desire to feel morally superior outweighs your ability to analyze a situation independent of your race obsession
 
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Honestly I wasn’t in the mood when you posted your dissertation the other day, but it appeared well written and researched. However this is 2021 and I’ve already made up my mind so it’s not like anyone’s ever going to tell you that “you’re so damn brilliant I didn’t know that!” I’m gonna start voting Democrat. If that’s what you’re hoping to accomplish mission fail. If you’re trying to show everyone how smart you are, jury still out. It’s clear you’re an intelligent human but your desire to feel morally superior outweighs your ability to analyze a situation independent of your race obsession
I think I am having trouble understanding what you mean by serious debate. I thought it would be an in-depth discussion from both sides about their views. Jtre pointed out his view with his explanations. If you disagree, that's great, I would love to hear which points you think he got wrong or where you would draw different conclusions. But when you say, "Well I am never going to vote Democrat" so there's no reason for me to respond, that sounds like you don't actually want to debate. And when you follow that with a sentence telling Jtre that he is race obsessed and feels morally superior, what you are doing is insulting him and not moving the discussion forward. Nothing you guys can say will convince me to go to the Republican Party, but your views do get me thinking and I look up the bases for your opinions online. While I am likely to disagree with you, I do learn from that.
 

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I think the problem with people's opinions on the Georgia law is they talk objectively about a very subjective subject. A lot of what Jtre posted was opinions stated as facts or factual but out of context to the topic. It's no wonder you'll be able to find many sources that point out what is allegedly wrong with the law because the media and so called activists have an agenda. The left always has control of the narrative because they have the vast majority of the networks and outlets as their messengers. When the people who are supposed to report the news fairly and objectively are political activists, we've lost. It's something everyone should be against but since it favors the left, you are a conspiracy theorist if you call it out.
 

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I think I am having trouble understanding what you mean by serious debate. I thought it would be an in-depth discussion from both sides about their views. Jtre pointed out his view with his explanations. If you disagree, that's great, I would love to hear which points you think he got wrong or where you would draw different conclusions. But when you say, "Well I am never going to vote Democrat" so there's no reason for me to respond, that sounds like you don't actually want to debate. And when you follow that with a sentence telling Jtre that he is race obsessed and feels morally superior, what you are doing is insulting him and not moving the discussion forward. Nothing you guys can say will convince me to go to the Republican Party, but your views do get me thinking and I look up the bases for your opinions online. While I am likely to disagree with you, I do learn from that.
Nothing you guys can say will convince me to go the Republican Party. What you just posted is not substantially different from what I posted, but I appreciate your candor. The Georgia law is online for anyone to read but I’m not going to memorize it like a gd first year law student. I’ve already addressed his point about his dissertation If you think I have the time or inclination to wade through all of his “points” I just don’t right now. What happens online doesn’t resembles formal debating; it’s just arguing with no arbiter no rules. There’s a pointless nature too it but sometimes it’s fun. Getting bored now. Did you watch the masters yesterday?
 

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Nothing you guys can say will convince me to go the Republican Party. What you just posted is not substantially different from what I posted, but I appreciate your candor. The Georgia law is online for anyone to read but I’m not going to memorize it like a gd first year law student. I’ve already addressed his point about his dissertation If you think I have the time or inclination to wade through all of his “points” I just don’t right now. What happens online doesn’t resembles formal debating; it’s just arguing with no arbiter no rules. There’s a pointless nature too it but sometimes it’s fun. Getting bored now. Did you watch the masters yesterday?
I did. I was really pulling for Schauffele but when he put in the water inthe last par thre, it was clear it was not to be his day. Too many bogies on the front 9. Not unhappy Matsuyama won, either.
 

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I did. I was really pulling for Schauffele but when he put in the water inthe last par thre, it was clear it was not to be his day. Too many bogies on the front 9. Not unhappy Matsuyama won, either.
That was painful to watch. I didn’t really have a horse in the race. Since tiger is gone I don’t really have anyone to pull for but I was cool with mats. I used to pull against Phil bc he snubbed my dad when he asked him to sign a masters flag and was a complete dick about it. We’ve called him phony Phil ever since
 

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That was painful to watch. I didn’t really have a horse in the race. Since tiger is gone I don’t really have anyone to pull for but I was cool with mats. I used to pull against Phil bc he snubbed my dad when he asked him to sign a masters flag and was a complete dick about it. We’ve called him phony Phil ever since
I have read that Mickleson is a nice guy in person but he seems like kind of a douche. I know Fowler did not qualify, but I am really pulling for him to win a major soon.
 

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I have read that Mickleson is a nice guy in person but he seems like kind of a douche. I know Fowler did not qualify, but I am really pulling for him to win a major soon.
He’s great when the cameras are rolling. In his defense other people have met him and said he was wonderful. Probably just caught him on a bad day. I guess Westwood and Fowler may be in that bittersweet best players not to win a major club
 

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He’s great when the cameras are rolling. In his defense other people have met him and said he was wonderful. Probably just caught him on a bad day. I guess Westwood and Fowler may be in that bittersweet best players not to win a major club
Always heard he was a nice guy but no one really knows what a celebrity is really like.You only see the the public persona
 
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He’s great when the cameras are rolling. In his defense other people have met him and said he was wonderful. Probably just caught him on a bad day. I guess Westwood and Fowler may be in that bittersweet best players not to win a major club
KD amazing Fowler not winning a major by now. Its really hard to believe. Uber talented, and brimming with endorsements. Imagine his marketability with a few majors!!! OFC
 
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