U are insane if you ignored the fact that the BLM activists and Maxine Waters did not guarantee destruction and looting if they did not get the results they wanted.There is no way that the jury was not influenced by this
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Why that jury was not sequestered is beyond me. I hope the jury was able to truly give this man a fair trial as our Constitution prescribes. I’m afraid their minds were made up before they ever set foot in the jury box I fear they reached the right verdict but for the wrong reasons (fear of mob violence and posters on a basketball message board saying nasty things about them)
The concern about police brutality in the Black community was going on a long time before Ferguson. Again, I don't personally know anyone who believes the United States is Nazi Germany 2.0.
I can believe there is systemic racism (long-established societal systems and norms that make it easier/harder for some than others due to race) in this country and not think that the United States government is going to round up all the "others" in this country and execute them.
It is interesting that today's case solidifies in your mind that there is no systemic racism in the United States. If this case proves it, what does the case of Philando Castille prove? What about Tamir Rice? What about countless others who's killers never saw a jail cell or, in some cases, never even saw a courtroom?
I was specifically referring to not hearing anyone hope for a not-guilty verdict just so they could turn a protest into a riot.
I didn't actually hear guarantees about destruction. If the jury was influenced by the specter of protests or even riots, so be it. They still reached the right decision. Hopefully, Derek Chauvin will serve a long jail sentence.
Maybe if those involved in cases such as that of Joe Coe had felt the same pressure to do the right thing our country wouldn't have some of the problems it has today.
I posted this earlier.
Is this the type of result you or others who share your "way of life," expect when you call for some of that police protection?
I'm not in favor of abolishing police. That's ridiculous and I don't know anyone with any sense who feels that way. I absolutely am in favor of deep congressional dives into the way police operate in this country and the subsequent reform that would stem from them.
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I know what Maxine Waters said but I have not found anything about "BLM activists" guaranteeing destruction and looting. That is not to say that they did not say it but, again, perhaps you could let me know where you saw that?
You are as special as @durhamgolfer. Accusing me of living in a state of victim hood. That’s cute, even for you Rev.
I’ve said it, and I’ll say it again. You’re a racist. In all honesty, you may be the most racist on this thread. Those that point the finger the most, which you do, are usually the worst.
You show your true colors whining about Tucker Carlson, yet only say Maxine Waters made an unnecessary comment. A gutless response by you, which I’ve come to expect. She’s an old hateful, race baiting, useless woman. She’s a female Al Sharpton. Smart enough to realize she’s not good at really anything of value, so make your living off race baiting. Well done Maxine.
I’m a lot of things, but a victim I’m not. You may be educated rev, but you really lack intelligence. A hack in a suit.
Oh, those uppity black women who don’t know their place. I guess she didn’t get the memo that only white men are allowed to incite riots (which actually was not what she was doing).
Personally, I am fine with him being found guilty. I may have felt a little different if it weren't for the expressionless look on his face while people were pleading with him to ease up or the ZFG attitude he had as Floyd was being drug onto the gurney. Despite the many different possibilities that ultimately caused his death, I doubt he would have died without the manner of his detainment. However, to say it was an open and shut case for murder is not telling the truth. My biggest concern is that the murder charges get removed on appeals and he is reduced to a conviction of manslaughter. Which if you look at the definitions of 2nd and 3rd degree murder, it would probably be the right call. 3rd degree murder would require a separate person who was killed as an indirect result of his actions. 2nd degree would require proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it was his intent to take his life. That's iffy. But I am fine with the verdict.
All that said, it is ludicrous to believe that part of the jury's decision wasn't based on the sensitivity of the case and the repercussions of an acquittal. If it were a civilian facing the same charges, it would have been a hung jury at most, IMO. But it is also my opinion that a civilian wouldn't have faced murder charges as this is a manslaughter case.
And finally, there is zero evidence that race played any role in the actions of the police. This, like so many cases, involves a person who happened to be black and a cop that happened to be white. But the mob wants everything to be about race and they want everyone to put themselves in the shoes of black people who feel like that could have been their neck under that knee. It is sensationalism on a disgusting level. It's so dishonest and the people who perpetuate it are a cancer to society.
Watch this video and tell me this folks haven't been terribly mislead by the left and their propaganda hand known as the MSM.
All that said, it is ludicrous to believe that part of the jury's decision wasn't based on the sensitivity of the case and the repercussions of an acquittal. If it were a civilian facing the same charges, it would have been a hung jury at most, IMO. But it is also my opinion that a civilian wouldn't have faced murder charges as this is a manslaughter case.
And finally, there is zero evidence that race played any role in the actions of the police. This, like so many cases, involves a person who happened to be black and a cop that happened to be white. But the mob wants everything to be about race and they want everyone to put themselves in the shoes of black people who feel like that could have been their neck under that knee. It is sensationalism on a disgusting level. It's so dishonest and the people who perpetuate it are a cancer to society.
Watch this video and tell me this folks haven't been terribly mislead by the left and their propaganda hand known as the MSM.
Typical double standard. You said orange man incited a riot by telling his mob to go to the capitol and let their voices be heard peacefully. But here, not for the first time with Waters, one on your team says if the jury doesn't give them what they want, her mob should stay on the streets and get more confrontational. That was a stupid and ignorant thing for her to do. It has nothing to do with her being black, being a woman or being uppity. But leave it to the socially inferior garbage people such as yourself to make it about sexism and race.
Charles Barkley was right. He was spot on about many of our politicians. The one thing he didn’t mention, which the clip @GhostOf301 posted, is how dangerous our media have become. What they do is criminal.
The sheep on this site, @Jtre, @durhamgolfer, and our lego block special kid, @Crest is Garbage, fall for it. You have @durhamgolfer and @Jtre refuse to see what Waters did, which is a representation of the left. Instead they will divert and blame someone else. Too proud/ignorant to admit their party and the media are intentionally dividing us.
The sheep on this site, @Jtre, @durhamgolfer, and our lego block special kid, @Crest is Garbage, fall for it. You have @durhamgolfer and @Jtre refuse to see what Waters did, which is a representation of the left. Instead they will divert and blame someone else. Too proud/ignorant to admit their party and the media are intentionally dividing us.
I just took a look at Trump's speech, given just before the riots. At one point, he told the people there that Republicans had to be tougher and at another he told them to fight like hell. How is that different from Waters? The main difference, the crowd interpreted what Trump said to mean that they needed to storm the Capitol and then went out and did it.
I actually don't disagree with some of the stuff he says. I read the Michael Brown grand jury minutes and was appalled at how badly the media reporting was. I am constantly telling people that despite what you see on tv, cops are trained to shoot at the biggest part of the body and keep firing until the threat is neutralized. But, I am not quite sure what NPR article he is talking about because the one I read made mention of the knife in her hand and what was on the body cam.
But all of this has little to do with the George Floyd verdict. It is also true that there is a double standard when it comes to day to day policing, even in things such as issuing quality of life tickets and pulling cars over. Those day to day indignities can't be ignored and also explain why, when something big happens, member of communities who have to put up with the day to day stuff see something more nefarious.
But all of this has little to do with the George Floyd verdict. It is also true that there is a double standard when it comes to day to day policing, even in things such as issuing quality of life tickets and pulling cars over. Those day to day indignities can't be ignored and also explain why, when something big happens, member of communities who have to put up with the day to day stuff see something more nefarious.
Turns out she was brandishing a knife, but don’t let the facts get in the way of your rush to judgment.
You put words in my mouth. Didn’t say there was NO systemic racism, only the verdict yesterday slows down the narrative’s momentum.
Yeah. Also turns out that the police protected the life of her victim who she was attempting to kill. So, that is indeed police protection. They were called to the scene, they didn't just show up and shoot someone. But it's a much sexier headline when it says, "15 year old girl shot by police" than "police save young girl's life by stopping her attacker".
I am more than happy to acknowledge a liberal bias in certain media print an on-line reporting. But that goes both ways. I expect you guys to acknowledge the conservative bent to other sites, like FoxNews, Breitbart, Washington Examiner etc. Pedophile ring in a pizzeria. Seriously? There was no Sandy Hook shooting, rather actors played the role of dead victims. Both sides have their issues. Don't you guys agree?
Some good points, Black Americans are more likely to live in high crime areas run by gangs and drug runners. Misdemeanor infractions are more likely to be noticed as well. Once you’re in the system the deck is stacked. If most of us are arrested for open container we would pay a fine and be on our merry way. For a young Black male already in the system it could mean jail time. This doesn’t explain the racial disparity in highway stops I’ll admit however
The media is the driving force for the division in our country. They withheld valuable footage in the Chauvin trial. The 15 year old girl in Columbus is yet another example.
The sad part is so many believe what they say, when in reality all they’re doing is inciting the mob.
The sad part is so many believe what they say, when in reality all they’re doing is inciting the mob.
You are so bonkers. Of course there is bias from the conservative media. But you're equating whacked out conspiracy theorists to the MSM. There is nothing mainstream about Alex Jones or the Q Anon nuts. There has always been subtle biases in the media. Nowadays it isn't subtle, it's one sided in the vast majority of networks, it is sensationalism based on lies and it is agenda driven ******** to help control the minds of the people and the narrative in favor of the liberal party. But sure, use the most extreme outliers of the right to try and make it out like there is equal bias or that one side isn't in control of the media.
Did you miss my reference to Fox News and Washington Examiner? I should also add Newsmax and Tucker Carlson. Have you looked at the WSJ opinion section? Much of the stuff parroted here a out how the Dems are just socialists in disguise was started and nurtured by those sites.
To a point. Hannity and tucker will gladly tell you they are conservative while many of the left deny they are liberal and claim to be mainstream without bias. The major networks are the worst offenders as there is no where to get unbiased hard news anymore.
NBC cbs abc. Liberal bias dictates the stories covered and how they are covered. Did you catch Norah O’Donnell’s interview of Biden before the Super Bowl. Like two old pals shooting the breeze. She and most of the others lost credibility as serious journalists years ago
I clearly said "of course there is bias from the conservative media". So no, I did not miss your reference. But nice way to avoid the point. To continue with my point... You are referencing Tucker Carlson and the opinion section of the WSJ. Neither of which are considered news sources. We're talking about where people get their news from and their terrible one sided slant. Such as ABC, NBC, CBS and the majority of major papers and day time networks. Tucker and any other primetime talking head chose topics and gives their opinions on those topics. They attract viewers that typically already agree with their opinions and just watch to solidify their own thoughts. I don't watch primetime news shows, so I don't even care. Point is, whether it is Michael Maddow or Tucker Carlson, you know it is not simply reporting the news and you know what their talking points are going to be supporting. You're either watching them to double down on what you already think, or because you are miserable and want to yell at your tv for whatever reason.
I. was responding to your criticism that I was only bringing up crazy outliers and so not making fair comparisons. You can call Q-anon nuts, but their views on how the election was stolen were echoed by a few posters here.
I was not able to follow the trial. Could you tell me what footage was withheld?
I responded to your post entirely by agreeing that there is obviously bias from the conservative media. I addressed how silly it was for you to include Alex Jones and the Q Anon nuts in with the conservative media. I did not say at all that you were ONLY bringing up the crazy outliers.
But here you are with the stolen election thing. Q Anon nuts might have wild theories about how the election was stolen. But the notion that this was not a free and fair election is not a Q Anon conspiracy theory. The real conspiracy is from the MSM and the sheep who believe what they see from them when they say that there is no evidence of fraud or that the way states changed their voting laws at the 11th hour was indicative of a fair election. But most on the right have moved on. You weirdos keep bringing it up. Orange man gone. Move on.
I watched that tape and Candace’s interview. I am not sure who the they is that she is discussing when she says “they locked it down.” This was from a body camera so it was up to the PD to release it. It did get released because she was able to watch it. Also, I am not sure how this tape changes the discussion. As far as I know, everyone recognized that he was resisting arrest initially and the question was whether what Chauvin was doing in subduing him went from outside police regs to criminal. Btw, if anything the tape makes him more sympathetic because it was clear thathewas terrified that the policewere going to shoot him when he got outside the car.