What he’s doing is very dangerous, and something should be done. He’s also walking proof that money can’t buy intelligence.
He's now playing victim!
Thoughts @durhamgolfer, @Jtre?
Or any libs?
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Thoughts @durhamgolfer, @Jtre?
Or any libs?
You just made the point that many of us are making.The jury went into the trial with the realization that they had no choice but to vote guilty because the city would be burned down if they didn’t.Not exactly innocent til proven guilty.Imo he was guilty at the most of manslaughter but with the threat of extreme violence against the city or them personally it was no way a fair trial
What I said to KD and Mac still stands. Were you at the trial or did you manage to watch all of it on closed circuit? the Michael brown grand jury was very likely aware of what could happen if they did not indict Darren Wilson and yet they went ahead and did what the evidence dictated. What makes you think this jury did not have the guts to do the same?
The jury in the Brown jury did not have to go thru razor wire and barricades on their way to the courthouse every day with protesters shouting at them .They also had not lived thru a summer where they saw the city they lived in burning on a nightly basis.No one can make an unbiased opinion when faced with personal threats.They should have moved the trial to another venue and sequestered the jury.Again he probably should have been convicted of manslaughter at the worst
Things are getting worse That jury in the brown trial had not received the amount of poisoning that we all have the past five years. This nation is rotting from the inside out thanks in large part to racial politics. Post Holocaust Jews in Europe just got on with it. Never wanted to be permanent victims
Another product of our fine educational system . Can’t blame him for being angry though. The good old USA sure been hard on him
When confronted with a post that makes you uncomfortable or one that simply gets the better of you, you resort back to “slinging mud” a mild version of the personal attacks you have become known for. Like circle back psaki your job of defending the indefensible is becoming harder every day. It’s taking a toll on raggedy Anne and I fear it’s taking a toll on you as well
It definitely takes a toll on her. She cherry picks what to reply to, or like you said, diverts to the “poor me, why you have to call names” game. She’s getting her clocked cleaned on almost everything. If this were a football game, she’d get up looking from her ear hole.
The worst part is her cohort, the Rev, @Jtre is awol. Proves he knows he has nothing to bring to the table. He spins more than a washing machine, but even he can’t defend what’s being said.
Yeah. These leftists can never admit when they’ve been bested. Laboring James says he took his latest **** down not because he made a fool of himself but because he didn’t want to spread more hate. Riiiight
We all had loved ones get sick ( couldn’t visit them in the hospital) and some that died (no funeral) and this guy gets a funeral in every state he’s ever set foot in. You couldn’t make this up. Only in America
I don't weigh in here often, but do enjoy the thought provoking ideas from both sides. As far as the mechanics of the trial, and the ambience surrounding it I do have one thought-
Maxine Waters comments after the jury had been handed the case were totally unacceptable. She could have commented but done so obviously in a MUCH MORE civilized way as a lawmaker.
Saying "we must be more confrontational" if a not guilty verdict on all counts is handed down INFURIATED Judge Peter Cahill. You could tell he was incensed (but holding it inside), when the defense used her outburst as grounds for mistrial. I think Cahill felt he administered a pretty good trial up to that point. Waters threw a wrench in it enough for Cahill to acknowledge in open court it could be grounds for an appeal. The danger of Waters comments really loomed large as Cahill did not sequester jurors, one tactical error by the judge.
Maxine Waters comments after the jury had been handed the case were totally unacceptable. She could have commented but done so obviously in a MUCH MORE civilized way as a lawmaker.
Saying "we must be more confrontational" if a not guilty verdict on all counts is handed down INFURIATED Judge Peter Cahill. You could tell he was incensed (but holding it inside), when the defense used her outburst as grounds for mistrial. I think Cahill felt he administered a pretty good trial up to that point. Waters threw a wrench in it enough for Cahill to acknowledge in open court it could be grounds for an appeal. The danger of Waters comments really loomed large as Cahill did not sequester jurors, one tactical error by the judge.
Good morning. I was busy getting my suits cleaned.
What would you like my comments on?
LeBron's tweet? Yeah, dumb tweet. Put in with his other mentions of accountability, he is clearly calling for the officer to be criminally charged. You're a big proponent of free speech, so you should have no issue with him doing that.
I think LeBron deserves credit for his comments after removing the post.
The "full" video you posted yesterday? Different people are going to see different things. I saw an officer hit the window with his flashlight. I saw officers addressing George Floyd with profanity immediately. I saw an officer draw his gun and place it in Floyd's face within 12 seconds of approaching the vehicle, despite both of Floyd's being visible and him basically cowering and apologizing (presumably for trying to pass the fake $20). I saw officers give him conflicting orders (hands on the wheel, hands on your head, stay in the car, get out of the car).
Did Derek Chauvin get a fair trial? I can't answer that but I have a question. If the outcome is accurate, which even you kinda sorta said, what would a fair trial do? At the end of the day he and others like him need to be prosecuted and sent to prison. At this point I believe the only way to prevent cops from killing unarmed Blacks and other citizens is to start sending them to prison.
A couple other things.
I posted too quick about the Columbus situation. I'll own that. I have other opinions about what may or may not have happened, but yes, if the officer arrived and felt the other two girls were in danger he, apparently under protocol, had the right to do what he did.
About Maxine Waters: I said her comments about this were unnecessary because they were. If you look back through this thread, you can see where I said her comments about getting up in legislators' faces was stupid and wrong. I said that because I believed they were. They were much more direct and clear.
I also don't disagree with the idea that it might be time for her to retire from politics. I don't believe she should be removed, if for no other reason that the bar for membership in congress (specifically the House) has been placed so low that there is no way you could remove her without taking a number of others first.
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The judge also did not allow for the jury to be given transcripts of the trial. If I were @Mac9192 I would probably say the judge knew Chauvin would get convicted but was sympathetic to him so he went out of his way to gift wrap an appeal for him.
Everybody knew what the outcome was going to be. This was over last summer, and the pressure to convict was too much. A little bit of a cheap shot you're taking at the judge. He was in a no win situation as well. Say what you want, but it's true.
Good of you to admit as much. Water's were as bad, and Lebron's were worse, putting police officers lives at risk. He's followed by many. Hard to believe there's people dumber than him, but there are. He fired off his ignorant mouth without knowing the facts, as you did. At least you somewhat walked it back.
I'll give you a C. At least you half way manned up.
The House of Representatives and the Senate epitomizes why there should be term limits.Both sides of the aisle are absolute jokes
So I took a look at the Minnesota Court Rules criminal procedure Rule 26. This is what the court is supposed to do when there is a concern that outside occurrences will have tainted the jury:
Subd. 10.Questioning Jurors About Exposure to Potentially Prejudicial Material in the Course of a Trial.If the court determines that material disseminated outside the trial proceedings raises questions of possible prejudice, the court may on its initiative, and must on motion of either party, question each juror, out of the presence of the others, about the juror's exposure to that material. The examination must take place in the presence of counsel, and a record of the examination must be made.
As for providing a transcript of the proceedings to a deliberating jury, subdivision 20(1) governs and it does not allow for that so the court was correct in prohibiting the jury from receiving that during deliberations. The jury can receive a copy of the court's charge and may ask for read back as many times as they need.
It is curious that the trial judge said he thought that Maxine Waters comment could have tainted the jury but then did not conduct a hearing. As for his decision on the transcripts, that appears to be correct.
This is the link, should anybody wish to look for themselves. Also, I don't practice in Minnesota so it is quite possible I am missing something. If any of the posters do practice there, feel free to correct me.
Subd. 10.Questioning Jurors About Exposure to Potentially Prejudicial Material in the Course of a Trial.If the court determines that material disseminated outside the trial proceedings raises questions of possible prejudice, the court may on its initiative, and must on motion of either party, question each juror, out of the presence of the others, about the juror's exposure to that material. The examination must take place in the presence of counsel, and a record of the examination must be made.
As for providing a transcript of the proceedings to a deliberating jury, subdivision 20(1) governs and it does not allow for that so the court was correct in prohibiting the jury from receiving that during deliberations. The jury can receive a copy of the court's charge and may ask for read back as many times as they need.
It is curious that the trial judge said he thought that Maxine Waters comment could have tainted the jury but then did not conduct a hearing. As for his decision on the transcripts, that appears to be correct.
This is the link, should anybody wish to look for themselves. Also, I don't practice in Minnesota so it is quite possible I am missing something. If any of the posters do practice there, feel free to correct me.
I just went through the last three pages of posts. Perhaps my saying that you guys had blinders on about the election and that we were all brainwashed to the same degree could be considered a "personal attack," but otherwise I have kept the responses to substantive ones and tried to keep any tone or sarcasm out of them. The fact that I disagree with you does not mean I am insulting you.
I took issue with the “slinging mud”, but overall the debate has been more substantive of late. If you feel the need to call me a right wing douche bag from time to time it’s cool I just don’t want us all to be the worst version of ourselves all the time. I don’t want new folks passing through to think this is a hostile place to post their ideas.
Either I miscommunicated or you misinterpreted, but that was not a shot at the judge. The part about gift-wrapping an appeal was sarcasm. I don't think that happened. I don't think he had ulterior motives for his decisions.
People are holding you ACCOUNTABLE for your moronic tweets LaBoring. Isn’t that the real reason you took it down? You couldn’t hold Mjs jock. Never could never will he’s Tom Brady you’re Peyton Manning.
I'm not putting over Jordan, either. But Peyton Manning? Damn. Peyton might be the most overrated professional athlete of all-time.
woooooaaaahhhhhh Jtre!!!!!...Manning is my man crush, def Top 3 QB in my book...=)
Hahaha. You must be from Knoxville or Indy.
For real, I don't dislike Manning, I just always disliked the title people gave him of best regular-season quarterback ever. It was almost like he was so loved that the media had to come up with something to call him since Brady passed him but they wanted to separate him from Brees, Rodgers, etc.
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nah, just a Colts fans back when harbaugh was QB and Harrison was drafted....Manning never really had a consistent defense...the main guys were always hurt it seemed....he does have more super bowl appearances and wins than brees and rodgers
You could make a case for top 5 def. Brady Montana Unitas. You could make a case for Manning at 4 certainly. If you put him ahead of those other 3 you’re kidding yourself
But the Denver d led my von Miller pretty much won him a title to perhaps make up for one he she would have won in Indy. Manning’s presence galvanized the team much like Brady’s did in Tampa this year but the Denver d won that super bowl. Peytons arm was shot.
This begs the question: is LaBoring sober when he posts this stuff? For a while I was like “He’s a pretty cool cat. I just disagree with him” kind of like I do with Durham crest and jtre but now I’m starting to wonder “Is this guy playing with a full deck?”
I don’t think he’s playing with a full deck. He’s really lacked in being around quality, more mature adults, which would have helped him a lot. He’s given too much reigns, and his ignorance shows all too often.
Jordan wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer either, but he was put around better people. Listen to a video of Jordan his freshman year at Carolina.
She was 16. That's a child.
As is my understanding, the property where the shooting took place is the house where Makhia Bryant resided. If that's the case, who were the other two females she attacked? If they were there to do her harm, was she defending herself? If she was, is she still a thug?
My entire second post is all hypothetical, so it is not me saying that's what happened. It's me asking questions that would normally be asked if folks weren't (hadn't been, myself included) so quick to take sides.
From the sound of things, it was a foster care home and it is possible all four kids in the video (including the dumbass dude who kicked the one girl) lived there. If that's the case, hopefully this can be a situation that can bring about change in the foster care system, as I have so many issues with it.
I like LeBron and think he deserves a ton of credit for the way he has carried himself in public and for what he has done for communities. The likelihood is pretty slim that any of us on this board could have been a household name since the age of 16 and managed to get through life with the most harsh character criticisms being how poorly we handled the decision to take our talents to South Beach and how we were poor sports for walking off the floor without shaking hands after a loss in the playoffs.
He made a dumb decision on social media, deleted the post and his first response was to basically say he acted without having all the needed information. If anything, that response was a hell of a lot more mature than most stuff we see on social media.
Similar to what I typed above about LeBron, what would any of us sound like in videos from our freshman years of college?
the whole story isnt out, but from my understanding those girls came to her home trying to start stuff w/ her or it was the foster home in which they all lived???....hearsay alert....entered the home etc...she got a knife to defend herself......now i and baffled as to why she attacked once the officer got there....maybe she got some courage with his presence, idk....wish she wouldve dropped the knife in her spurt of an attack and got several licks in...i dont think she was trying to stab and she let off a flurry of punches.....to the officer, i def understand his position...sad situation....the adults that were present couldve handled that situation way better imo....16 y/o child, honor roll student unfortunately caught up in a horrific moment...apparently she called the police.....def gotta get all the facts and witnesses...what if the other girls had the knife 1st and she had previously wrestled it away...lots of unknowns just yet
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