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Contrary to you and other liberals a a rational person realizes that unless it is a high level media cap mask that is changed after being used they are ineffective..The other problem is that unless you have underlying medical problems this disease has a 99percent plus survival rate
The article I posted simply aggregated dozens of medical studies proving the efficacy Of masks doesn’t work. You have no interest in seeing those studies bc if you did, you’d have to admit they don’t work. As Ghost posted above, Biden’s own health director backed up exactly what I’ve said from day one. But here’s the lunacy of even suggesting we all wear n95 masks. In order for them to be effective, you need to wear one that is specifically form fitted to your face, only wear it one single time. So by that logic, we’d need what? A few hundred billion n95s? And even if we did that. Do you really think the virus Just magically goes away? Probably not. It’s illogical. So really what’s the goal Here? Death rates are 10x less than they were in January. Hospitalizations are lower too and are not overwhelming them. You’ve got 165M and counting people who’ve been vaccinated and you’ve got tens of millions that have natural immunity. We are at herd immunity. The stats and data prove that. It doesn’t mean everything will be perfect and you won’t have outliers, but they’re just that, outliers. It’s why i keep harping on the foolishness Of masking up children who are not at risk. ~350 or so children have died with covid in this country in 18 months. Out of 75 MILLION. Why are we masking them? Are we not allowed to talk about the negative Impacts of masking children? Teachers all have the ability To get vaccinated. It’s on them. The madness And stupidity, blindness, whatever you want to call it, has got to stop.
Madness and stupidity is Dats stock in trade
We all knew that face coverings were ineffective from very early on. We all knew that they caused more health issues than they prevented. Anyone who claims differently is lying to themselves. Mask mandates were not for our health. They were a political tool. That's why you see so many politicians go against their own mandates. If they believed that masks protected themselves and others from the virus, they would wear them at all times. Not just when they know people are watching. Look at Nancy and the hairstylist. Look at the governor of NJ in the middle of the pandemic before the vaccine partying it up maskless. Look at Michigan's governor vacationing in Florida with no mask after telling her citizens to stay home. Look at Virginia's governor vacationing in the Outer Banks while his beaches were closed by his order. No mask. Come on people. Wake up. It's all politics.
Why is this narcissistic idiot still in office, and why isn’t his job performance and personal behavior talked about more?
Oh, that’s right, he’s a democrat.
Oh, that’s right, he’s a democrat.
An avatar shows how weak someone is... Maybe you should stop doing so much of this alleged thinking for yourself. You're not very good at it.
We're all institutionalized, to a degree. I'm on record that I'm not a big fan of President Biden, just an astronomically bigger fan of his than I was of President Trump. I am not a member of a party. I wish the Democratic Party was more progressive. I trust people we get to vote out, in theory, more than corporate capitalists. I recognize the necessity of government, and would prefer it be big than to continue the plutocracy we have now. I love this country and therefore will not accept its settling for less than the best.
I'm going with reports from places with the least bias possible:
You're going with reports published by a Holocaust denier.
"[M]any of the face cloth coverings are not very effective..."
That seems a pretty far cry from what you're saying.
Any thoughts on the prudence of quoting a Holocaust denier?
Hey, thanks again for alerting me to @durhamgolfer 's correct gender several pages back. Care to correct fellow conservatives about mine? Or is that hypocrisy you're comfortable with?
So we should dismiss those long and detailed medical studies because the guy Who cares enough to compile them, was a moron about the Holocaust? Interesting take.
The article you posted had more holes than Swiss cheese, check that, than the cloth and home made masks you think are extremely effective. It leaves a ton of context out, it also makes wide assumptions and leaves out details but then a headline can say they’re overwhelmingly effective.
I don’t know much about Biden’s health director but I’m sure he did or said something dumb at some point in the past. We should dismiss his stance on masking as well then.
Not at all a far cry from what I am saying. N95 masks used once are the only masks that science shows to be effective. Cloth masks do nothing but coddle feelings and give a false sense of security. As noted by science. There has yet to be a single person explain why covid has spread the same in high use areas as lower, but still high use areas. Wonder why.
I personally would have never known about that. Is the content incorrect? If that same person warned against touching hot cook top burners, would you touch them just because he was a holocaust denier so obviously he's wrong about the burners being hot? Personally, I am with you on not trusting someone who denies the holocaust. But is it his opinion, or is he just forwarding the study?
Do the masks provide a false sense of security. Sone mask wearers completely ignore the social distancing part of the equation it appears. What accounts for the spike after mask implementation? I don’t think the masks are very effective but I wouldn’t have predicted they do more harm than good
You’re right and I apologize Datt and to anyone else I offended
I'm sorry to call you out. But I have been appointed the board's conservative poster police. It comes with great responsibility and I must take it seriously. While we're at it. We must not present facts without doing complete background checks on the people sharing the facts. If they so much as hit a frog with a baseball bat as a 10 year old child, they are disqualified from sharing facts. Therefore those facts don't exist.
No harm done. That brings up an interesting point re the Holocaust denier. I agree with your overall premise but I just can’t take anything he says seriously. Holocaust denial is in a class of its own and it’s an emotional issue for me
Right. I don't think it is unreasonable to not take anything he SAYS seriously. The issue is whether or not facts are facts when presented by any particular person.
I don't trust cnn as far as I can throw Chris Christie. But they do sometimes present undeniable facts here and there.
Right and i had no idea he was a Holocaust denier, the point Is the same Though. All he did was aggregate all of those studies into one place. Focus on the studies, not the person who corralled them.
It' not that hard. Like, what if the same person came out and said we shouldn't rape children... are we going to say, well that guy is a Holocaust denier we definitely should rape children?
Did I say Holocaust denier? Sorry, I meant that he believes 9/11 was an inside job; the CIA killed President Kennedy; the Apollo Moon landings were faked; the Sandy Hook shooting, Pulse Nightclub shooting, Parkland shooting, Boston Marathon bombing, and Charlottesville car attack were all hoaxes; AND he is a Holocaust denier.
No worries. Just ignore the dozens Of studies that he had nothing to do with. Also ignore Biden’s own director who says cloth masks do nothing. Believe Tony Faucci who goes from no mask, to mask, two masks, to no maks, back to masks.
This is all going around in a circle. If you want to wear a mask while vaccinated, knock yourself out. If you think it works, good for you.
Reality- cases are up because the delta Is extremely contagious. If you focus on cases that’s a you problem. Why? Everyone has had the chance to get the vaccine, so there is a solution. Secondly, over 165M people have gotten the vaccine And tens of millions have natural immunity. Thus, deaths on a rolling day average are about 340-360 nationwide. Down 10x from what it was in January. Serious cases and hospitalization rates are also not at high levels where they’re overwhelming the system. I’m not a Holocaust denier, 9/11 Truther or any of the others, i just compile my information from the CDC’s own stats, with some sprinkled in from the conspiracy theorist that is Johns Hopkins.
More good news out of the orange man gone department. July jobs hit a staggering 330k. But don't worry. We're going to extend the federal unemployment assistance and sue the states that block it. We're also going to spit in the faces of realtors and property owners by extending rhe eviction moratorium so the leeches of society who have collected more money from the government than they were before the pandemic at their jobs can take further advantage.
Gas is officially $1/gal higher on a national average than one year ago. Grocery bills are rising and expected to be up 35%. Retailers have lost billions of dollars in revenue and are being ravished by criminals who will face no punishment. Murders up bigly all across the country with no end in sight. Muh... white supremacy.
More good news. July broke June's record of illegal immigrants apprehended at the border. "Holding facilities".... <cough> <cough> cages are at at 500% capacity. Trespassers are being shipped across the country and shacked up in hotels on our dime. Not to mention the tens of thousands of them with covid. Remember covid?
Meanwhile the drug overdoses continue to increase with more people dying from fentanyl by the day and that just flows into the country with little resistance.
Call me crazy, but it almost seems like the important things like masks and white supremacy are distracting the masses. Keep the focus off of the really unimportant things listed above. But hey. Let's rejoice the fact that orange man gone.
Gas is officially $1/gal higher on a national average than one year ago. Grocery bills are rising and expected to be up 35%. Retailers have lost billions of dollars in revenue and are being ravished by criminals who will face no punishment. Murders up bigly all across the country with no end in sight. Muh... white supremacy.
More good news. July broke June's record of illegal immigrants apprehended at the border. "Holding facilities".... <cough> <cough> cages are at at 500% capacity. Trespassers are being shipped across the country and shacked up in hotels on our dime. Not to mention the tens of thousands of them with covid. Remember covid?
Meanwhile the drug overdoses continue to increase with more people dying from fentanyl by the day and that just flows into the country with little resistance.
Call me crazy, but it almost seems like the important things like masks and white supremacy are distracting the masses. Keep the focus off of the really unimportant things listed above. But hey. Let's rejoice the fact that orange man gone.
For decades, our government and other world leaders have slowly been taking our country away from us. It's like the old frog in the pot. You cook his *** by gradually turning up the heat. Enter Trump in 16. He temporarily turned off the stove. His problem to many? He cussed out the person cooking the frog, and anyone that was near the stove.
These bastards that Trump battled for 4+ years are the most vile and evil people on the planet. It becomes more evident by the day just how much Trump actually did for the citizens of this country. I'm not saying he loves the citizens, but I think it's clear he despised the swamp, which also consists of the media.
These bastards that Trump battled for 4+ years are the most vile and evil people on the planet. It becomes more evident by the day just how much Trump actually did for the citizens of this country. I'm not saying he loves the citizens, but I think it's clear he despised the swamp, which also consists of the media.
Based upon his history and views do you think what he put together was with fidelity? Is anything skewed?or because it just aligns with your viewpoints?...
I don't know anything about this particular person. I didn't read what was linked either. What my point is has nothing to do with this particular person or this particular topic. My point is that if something is factual, does it really matter who shares the facts in the grand scheme of things? I think it is fair to be skeptical, but facts are facts, right?
I was the one who posted the piece. I had no idea the guy who compiled the list of 15 or so studies, some of which go back 50-60 yearsc, was some conspiracy nut. But to Ghost’s point, the studies Themselves are world wide medical studies with thousands upon thousands of data points. The nutjob who compiled them can be dismissed- but he didn’t conduct any of the 15 or so medical studies- so dismissing them is a bit short sighted, or looking for a reason to dismiss data that doesn’t support your theory.
Sure glad evil Orange Man gone because of his dictatorial tendencies.Than God our current President can ignore laws and Supreme Court rulings because his heart is pure and he only had good intentions just like Stalin’ s was
I completely agree, he is just the messenger...especially if all is on the up and up...can you share the link again, I didn't see it....thanks
When Biden said "build back better", what he really meant was build back whiter.
-cnn if Biden was a republican.
Yup he more or less said it was okay if the cdc extended the eviction moratorium even though most scholars don’t feel it passed constitutional muster you know with property rights and all because somewhere out there are a few who think it might pass muster. Yikes
This should be troubling no matter which party you identify with....openly defying the highest court in the land sets a very dangerous precedent.