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The discussion on education funding was interesting so did a little digging....two links...funding per student per state, and education attainment ranking per state....there is some correlation but not consistent...NC was mentioned....ranks 7th in attainment and in the middle for funding...FLA has the same funding and ranks 3rd....the highest funded do attain well but not always the case...AK for example..very high on funding, very low on attainment....
Info is provided for those that are curious....
Hard to conclude anything concrete...as comparing it worldwide...we rank 4th in funding but 37th in overall education outcome...
Funding is one element, but it would seem there are other variables also that have significant influence on education outcomes
Info is provided for those that are curious....
Hard to conclude anything concrete...as comparing it worldwide...we rank 4th in funding but 37th in overall education outcome...
Funding is one element, but it would seem there are other variables also that have significant influence on education outcomes
To the Dems credit most did call for his resignation just to get it on record. We’ll see if they mention it again.
Thats teacher pay vs funding per student. I don't have salary vs educational performance stats but that would be another data point...it would only be worthwhile if the private schools/charters would divulge those $$ but I doubt that would be ubiquitous across all 50 states. I may dig around in a spare moment and see what I can find
Biden said everyone wanted to work so your friends who actually own businesses clearly have no idea what they’re talking about nor do all the local restaraunts all over the country who have raised wages and still can’t find workers.
In their defense I wouldn’t touch a hotel bed for any amount of money. But I feel what you’re saying
I have never had an issue addressing Trump's misdeeds or questioning his character. Can you tell me what the relevance is with bringing Trump into the conversation?
Ok...couldnt resist...
Here is the ranking of average teacher salary...
NC ranks 40th...and 7th in attainment
Florida 47th and 3rd in attainment
NJ is #1 for attainment and 4th n pay
#1 for pay is PA they are 37th in attainment....clearly need to do something different!
Quick Conclusion...teacher pay isnt tied to attainment it would seem....
So what do we think happens as more and more landlords get further and further behind? At some point they are no longer able to pay the bills. Guess what, your loving government comes in and buys that property for pennies on the dollar as a life line to that poor property owner. And the government has more government run housing so they can "help" the people.
Why the snark? Timo asked a question and I gave him the answer. Would you rather I didn't?And if your reference to tutors is a dig at me, I did not have tutors or pay for any prep for either college or law school.
Let's say you made $12/hr before the pandemic. State unemployment gives you 80% of your income. After taxes, that's about $300/wk. Add the federal at the time, $600/wk, now $300/wk and what do you come up with?
Gotcha. Thanks.
We should have paid people to stay home from the beginning. We can afford it and it would have curtailed the income fear that drove Shutdown protests and flattened curves way sooner.
Well. That's your opinion. Not really supported by what we know. But, you certainly have the right to that opinion.
Protests about shutdowns were going on by April of 2020.
Numerous industrialized countries were offering far more substantial financial relief to citizens by summer of 2020.
Those are facts. Those are things that happened. I can't really judge "what we know" when so many people are willing to deny reality, but those facts absolutely indicate that there'd have been better compliance with social distancing recommendations, and that absolutely would have flattened curves sooner.
They are not facts. Just like everything else with covid, they are nothing but unproven theories based on anecdotal evidence that can easily be answered with more anecdotal evidence to the contrary. You're denying the reality that lockdowns did not work, anywhere. They just delayed the inevitable. It is your opinion based on biased views that we should have paid people to stay home. There are no facts supporting the idea that it would have changed the spread or that the inevitable fallout from spending trillions of dollars wouldn't have been more detrimental than the virus itself. But again. You are entitled to your opinions.
On April 21 and 23, respectively, the Senate and House passed the Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act to add $320 billion of funding to the PPP. President Trump signed the bill into law on April 24, 2020, which allowed the Small Business Administration to accept applications again on April 27.
Were you including the US in the "industrialized countries"?
Now the administration and distribution of the available funds is another matter.....fraud, red tape and process somewhat derailed the program...like most gigantic government programs...good concept, awful execution.
I think the CDC had some say/opinion into due to the many possible evictions that could have come about during a pandemic and how that could have some impact on positive rates...in their homes/apartment people have means to stay safe/quarantine.....are landlords completely out to dry during this or has there been money allocated to help them...???
You are denying that there were shutdown protests as early as April 2020 and that Canada and much of Europe offered way better financial compensation to their citizens?
I may be mistaken, but I think there were some options for loans being forgiven, or some kind of temporary suspensions of the loans.
Where I have my beef with this entire “pandemic” is what it’s done to people mentally. The drinking that increased, depression that rose, or possibly suicides that happened, you can say restrictions from Covid played an unfortunate hand, but you can’t prove it. Whereas they can claim someone died of, or with, covid, That’s not all true. Covid, as real as it is, has been blown out of proportion.
We could afford to keep small businesses afloat for the past 15 months. Really ? As you know these aren’t evil Fortune 500 companies often demonized by the Left but rather owned by people who we share a neighborhood with, go to temple with or coach their kids in soccer or baseball. By “we can afford it” yes we can always just print more $ but this inflationary pressure we’re seeing is not a short term thing imho Places with total lockdowns haven’t fared any better than open countries
Didn’t have tutors either. Just an attempt at humor re white privilege that fell short of the mark. I was a little hungover when I read that post and it was too wordy for my liking at the time. Nothing personal
Based on the dismal results in some areas we could probably save a lot of money by buying every child a computer and those under 12 a babysitter all day and shut down the schools.
Europeans are okay with being taken care of by Nanny but half of this country isn’t. This is actually a prosperous nation. Southern Europe is being propped up by Germany and France. They’ve run out of other peoples money
Europeans work, too.
By what qualifications do you claim 50% of America isn't okay with what you claim is a "nanny state," or that 50% is?
We spend more on our military than the next 11 countries combined. 3 times what second-place China spends. More than 10 times what third-place India spends. But tell me more about how protecting our health would make us a nanny state. Shoot, knock 12 billion off the military budget and we'd still spend triple what China does. $12 billion would buy a lot of N95s.
Bu-bu-but the deficit! Let's lower taxes some more.
Laugh all you want. I’m sure you’re a hell of a teacher. And I appreciate the great teachers I had both of them. The rest phoning it in. You know it I know it and everyone on this board knows. I used to stay with my grandmother in the summers. She would tell me to read 50 pages of the encyclopedia briitanica before lunch. Not easy to do but I did it if I wouldn’t she wouldn’t beat my a— as a consequence I know more than about Africa and everything else than you ever dreamed of knowing. I know that sounds pompous. But Fact.
And you think you actually know what China spends on anything including defense? So you actually trust what China tells you? Explains a lot
Why are you so against lowering taxes. To let people keep at least 70 percent of the money they make. I’m okay with the rich paying 40 % or so but not on capital gains. This money has already been taxed once. If anyone has to pay more than HALF their income to the government they are no longer free and we have already reached that pt in Cal and NY
“Europeans work too”. Well some of them if you call a 30 hr work week “working”
There was loan forgiveness/suspension. What I don't know is whether it was universal and it should have been. It's the exact type of situation where govt regulations are appropriate.
Why the quotation marks around "pandemic"? It was and is legitimately a worldwide pandemic.
Totally w/ you on the peripheral mental health damage. Personally, I don't need proof of it. It's obvious and logical that isolation from others is damaging. And there are actually studies proving it anyway.**
I think there's a lot more risk in underestimating Covid than there is in overestimating it.
(**Surgeries like C-sections have been around since Julius Caesar, who it's named after. That's over 2000 years ago. Yet Sigmund Freud is considered the grandfather of psychiatry, and his career didn't even begin until the late 19th century. Our medical knowledge of the body is way, way ahead of our medical knowledge of mental health. It's so far ahead that we still have to fight skepticism about mental health, all because we can't literally see it like you can a broken bone or tumor.)
Uhhh... no. Sure, I enjoy having a little more take-home money. What's ultimately more valuable to me are the services available to everyone when the wealthy and corporations pay their fair share. Whatever tax breaks you and I might have enjoyed are nothing compared to the breaks extended to the uber-rich, and we have about 40 years of evidence that that does not trickle down.
On the other hand keeping kids away from bullsh spewing teachers and not being bullied probably has its upside too right When all of these kids are being bullied at school where are their saviors like you Datt? Grading papers. Smoking a doobie in the lounge? Why do kids have so much time on their hands that they’re able to make some kids life a living hell? Oh wait I know it’s Trumps fault
Fair share. 70 % 80 %? You do realize that this is the point people and corporations either move to a tax friendly env or just say f it altogether right? No one on the right ever coined the phrase trickle down. Yet another liberal myth.