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GhostOf301

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At least the fraud (John Kerry) practices what he preaches. He flew his environment friendly private fuel guzzling jet to the airport, then rode in the environment friendly gas guzzling SUV to get to the party where the super vaxxed 1%'ers partied at an environment friendly max energy user 7,000+ square feet mansion protected by cops and walls surrounded by privileged white people. Lol. Dems are suckers. At least conservatives (for the most part) have the ability to admit that all politicians are trash. Put a D next to someone's name and they are untouchable.
 

denverexpat

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Dont care who's side people are on when the biggest issue is the clarity of messaging...by not adhering to the guidelines we are told to obey, all this does is contribute to confusion and validity of what we are being told. At this point attributing being unvaccinated to one party or one section of the population is profoundly untrue. The blame lies squarely at the feet of the CDC, media, and the administration....they are the source of confusion and obfuscation on COVID. If we had been given clear, accurate and consistent data with the messaging we would not have the confusion we have today and that straddles BOTH recent administrations.
 

GhostOf301

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Well according to the learned Dr Fauci and the CDC vaccinated people can get the virus and should be masked.Another example of different standards for the elite and the rest of the peasants
They're laughing in our faces and half this country believes they have compassion and have our best interests at heart. And then they say WE are the cult.
 
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smashmouth5

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Looks like poor planning on Big Barry's part. If climate change is the biggest issue facing all of us then it may have been a better idea not to have your multi million dollar home barely above sea level. You know, with the rising oceans and such.
 

Dattier

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Everyone at Obama's party had to show proof of vaccination.
 

Dattier

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Why do you think successful people should be penalized?Do you think people would work as hard if the government was going to take away the rewards for hard work.Asked you in a previous post that if the top ten percent of wage earners pay 70% of the taxes in this country how are they not paying their fair share.Taking it further to the top twenty five percent they pay 87.5 percent of the taxes.When you rob people of the desire to achieve innovation that we enjoy to further society will end
The people who have profited the most from a system that protected their right to do so owe it to everyone else to sustain (if not improve) that system. Nobody keeping $300 million is being penalized by having to give 70% of a billion.

The 1940s and 1950s were pretty freakin' productive despite 90%+ tax brackets. I can think of lots of examples today of people getting such terrible wages and falling further and further behind despite working as hard as possible that they eventually break. I don't know of any time in American history or world history where taxing the wealthy meant the wealthy stopped trying or that innovation ceased.

% of the overall taxes is a completely worthless statistic. Someone making 10 times what I make could be taxed at a lower rate than I am and still contribute more than 70% of the tax money between us.
 

timo0402

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You: "Of course he knew what it was."
Also you: "The data is being willfully ignored."

But I'm making assumptions. :rolleyes:
This is an odd spin job. How is that being a hypocrite? I said you knew what the Supreme Court ruling about the rent payment moratorium.

That is a separate discussion from saying the data is being willfully ignored as it relates to the virus.

Two things can be the same at once.

But honestly, this is so dumb. The fact is that the data is being willfully ignored if you’re pushing for any combination mask and lockdown mandates while ignoring the readily available data on the virus. Those are just blatant and obvious facts at this point. Look no further than Martha’s Vineyard this weekend. No masks there, and that was at the former leader of the free world’s birthday party. He turned 60, so he’s right in (or just under) that age bracket that the virus targets. So if he and his crew are vaccinated and having a great time maskless, there is absolutely ZERO reason anyone else cannot do the same thing. If you are vaccinated, I DO NOT CARE what anyone else around me does because it does not affect me.
 
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GhostOf301

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This is an odd spin job. How is that being a hypocrite? I said you knew what the Supreme Court ruling about the rent payment moratorium.

That is a separate discussion from saying the data is being willfully ignored as it relates to the virus.

Two things can be the same at once.

But honestly, this is so dumb. The fact is that the data is being willfully ignored if you’re pushing for any combination mask and lockdown mandates while ignoring the readily available data on the virus. Those are just blatant and obvious facts at this point. Look no further than Martha’s Vineyard this weekend. No masks there, and that was at the former leader of the free world’s birthday party. He turned 60, so he’s right in (or just under) that age bracket that the virus targets. So if he and his crew are vaccinated and having a great time maskless, there is absolutely ZERO reason anyone else cannot do the same thing. If you are vaccinated, I DO NOT CARE what anyone else around me does because it does not affect me.
Credit to @dukedevilz. Just an opinion to consider, I guess.

 

topps coach

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The people who have profited the most from a system that protected their right to do so owe it to everyone else to sustain (if not improve) that system. Nobody keeping $300 million is being penalized by having to give 70% of a billion.

The 1940s and 1950s were pretty freakin' productive despite 90%+ tax brackets. I can think of lots of examples today of people getting such terrible wages and falling further and further behind despite working as hard as possible that they eventually break. I don't know of any time in American history or world history where taxing the wealthy meant the wealthy stopped trying or that innovation ceased.

% of the overall taxes is a completely worthless statistic. Someone making 10 times what I make could be taxed at a lower rate than I am and still contribute more than 70% of the tax money between us.
Then you ignore all human nature.No one is going to make extra efforts to succeed if they will not get the benefits for their efforts.As for no where innovation and improvements have ceased when rewards are not consistent with effort and talent I sure hope you do not teach history because everywhere socialism has been tried innovations and quality of life went down the toilet
 
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topps coach

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I assume that you chose education as a career knowing that historically it is a relevantly lower income profession.If that assumption is correct what gives you or the government the right to penalize someone who chose a must lucrative career.Freedom means that everyone can make a choice.
 
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denverexpat

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From the tax foundation - the higher taxes on individuals in the 50's, drove the current use of corporate tax code to protect the individuals income...so saying that 70%+ was effective is a bit of smkoe and mirrors without context
Article here:

This one debunks the thought that the 50's was a fairer tax decade....

Personally I believe that if you worked for it you deserve it, and can choose what to do with it. The pie is not finite...meaning if anyone else would like to earn more they can....billionaires are not stopping or taking from others doing the same....the pie is infinite...go out and earn your share.
 

BOOGIEMAN1914

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There was a process for removing tenured teachers, too. It took longer because in earning tenure, they earned due processing rights. And people who were once good enough at their jobs to earn tenure deserve support for getting back on track if they slip.
Tenure exists in the first place to protect teachers from politics. Evolution and communism, for example, should be covered, and neither religious obstinance nor capitalist fear should be leveraged against teachers. Look at how politicians are trying to control education now. Where are the small government conservatives now?
Yep
 

durhamgolfer

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This is an odd spin job. How is that being a hypocrite? I said you knew what the Supreme Court ruling about the rent payment moratorium.

That is a separate discussion from saying the data is being willfully ignored as it relates to the virus.

Two things can be the same at once.

But honestly, this is so dumb. The fact is that the data is being willfully ignored if you’re pushing for any combination mask and lockdown mandates while ignoring the readily available data on the virus. Those are just blatant and obvious facts at this point. Look no further than Martha’s Vineyard this weekend. No masks there, and that was at the former leader of the free world’s birthday party. He turned 60, so he’s right in (or just under) that age bracket that the virus targets. So if he and his crew are vaccinated and having a great time maskless, there is absolutely ZERO reason anyone else cannot do the same thing. If you are vaccinated, I DO NOT CARE what anyone else around me does because it does not affect me.
Not to put too fine a point on this but since there was no ruling, how did you get to Datt knowing that there was one?
 
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GhostOf301

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Yup. Everyone can find a video. Here's another.

wow. This guy literally debunks not a single thing. He talks about what the guy says being right, but also being wrong. He pretty much just repeats what the OP said but on the "other side". What a joke. He also seems like a desperate person trying to cling onto his own theory.
 
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denverexpat

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Yup. Everyone can find a video. Here's another.


You made my point for me. Thank you. The confusion on what is or isn't true is overwhelming
Reminds me of the Henry Ford saying "

“Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right.”

Interestingly enough..the Dr you post...keeps saying the Dr in the original is "right" but "wrong" which is it?
 

topps coach

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The people who have profited the most from a system that protected their right to do so owe it to everyone else to sustain (if not improve) that system. Nobody keeping $300 million is being penalized by having to give 70% of a billion.

The 1940s and 1950s were pretty freakin' productive despite 90%+ tax brackets. I can think of lots of examples today of people getting such terrible wages and falling further and further behind despite working as hard as possible that they eventually break. I don't know of any time in American history or world history where taxing the wealthy meant the wealthy stopped trying or that innovation ceased.

% of the overall taxes is a completely worthless statistic. Someone making 10 times what I make could be taxed at a lower rate than I am and still contribute more than 70% of the tax money between us.
 

topps coach

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Maybe you have a different idea idea of what a fair share is.As I pointed out the top twenty five percent of taxpayers pay 87.5 percent of federal taxes.I could only the figure for top twenty percent of wage earners.It was 131000.00 per year .Making the assumption that 15000.00 more would put one into the top twenty five percent so it is not millionaires that pay the majority of taxes in this country.IMO that is an upper middle class family.In today’s world that allows you to be comfortable not rich
 
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smashmouth5

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Looks like the Republicans don't mind selling the American people too. This infrastructure bill is a complete joke of a monstrosity. Follow the money people. It's all about power.
 

Mac9192

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Looks like the Republicans don't mind selling the American people too. This infrastructure bill is a complete joke of a monstrosity. Follow the money people. It's all about power.
Yep. That’s what the libs don’t get. They play party politics. Most conservatives came to the conclusion a while back that too many of these hacks are on the take, and sold us out decades ago.
It’s a shame that libs don’t see that.

Watch what they say in reply to our takes.
 
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Mac9192

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Lightfoot from Chicago needs to go too. That woman is a disgrace.
Of course, the list is long on useless politicians. Both sides.

It gets said all the time, but we have to get term limits. It’s not like they’re eating beans and crackers before they’re elected, but after a short time there, they become multi millionaires.
There’s something seriously wrong with this.
 

KDSTONE

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Maybe you have a different idea idea of what a fair share is.As I pointed out the top twenty five percent of taxpayers pay 87.5 percent of federal taxes.I could only the figure for top twenty percent of wage earners.It was 131000.00 per year .Making the assumption that 15000.00 more would put one into the top twenty five percent so it is not millionaires that pay the majority of taxes in this country.IMO that is an upper middle class family.In today’s world that allows you to be comfortable not rich
By fair share I think libs mean the entire share. In some areas the middle and upper class pay all property taxes virtually for schools their children don’t even attend. In the liberal world view all wealth is inherited or achieved through oppressing others in some bizarre zero sum game. Has nothing to with hard work or self sacrifice. Many people are born with advantage look at the Cuumos but that doesn’t mean a punitive confiscatory tax rate of 60% or more is ethical or even particularly effective
 

KDSTONE

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Lightfoot from Chicago needs to go too. That woman is a disgrace.
Of course, the list is long on useless politicians. Both sides.

It gets said all the time, but we have to get term limits. It’s not like they’re eating beans and crackers before they’re elected, but after a short time there, they become multi millionaires.
There’s something seriously wrong with this.
I hope she stays. This is one idiot who has not outlived her usefulness.
 

KDSTONE

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I can't get over the "sophisticated" comment by some hack on cnn. If you are sophisticated, you don't spread covid. People at Obama's party are sophisticated and people who are attending other events are super spreaders. They are the real enemies.
What these commentators lack in self awareness they make up for in studidity and self righteousness though.