The NFL taking some heat
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This crap gets old
I get so sick of this PC garbage.
The NFL is a meritocracy. You are hired/fired/promoted/demoted based 100% on results, as it should be. Where are the complaints about the balance with players? How much Asian/Hispanic/Pacific Islander/Dutch representation is there? Who gives a ****?
Are they wanting to institute quotas? If they do that, it diminishes the accomplishments of black coaches that made it on merits.
Why can’t we all be Americans and quit with this divisive ********? Most of these idiots that spew this garbage can’t see past race. It’s pathetic.
I get so sick of this PC garbage.
The NFL is a meritocracy. You are hired/fired/promoted/demoted based 100% on results, as it should be. Where are the complaints about the balance with players? How much Asian/Hispanic/Pacific Islander/Dutch representation is there? Who gives a ****?
Are they wanting to institute quotas? If they do that, it diminishes the accomplishments of black coaches that made it on merits.
Why can’t we all be Americans and quit with this divisive ********? Most of these idiots that spew this garbage can’t see past race. It’s pathetic.
It’s unbelievable to me in a numbers driven world the media(not necessarily in this cases bc this is the 1st I’ve read about it) can just look at the stats and say “oh! that’s why they fired them” and never bring up the issue of color.
That’s like me saying there are 50 minority/black running backs in the NFL and what maybe 1 white....and say “maybe this is something we should look into”.
That’s like me saying there are 50 minority/black running backs in the NFL and what maybe 1 white....and say “maybe this is something we should look into”.
I am trying to figure out how Marvin Lewis lasted as long as he did. His career record is just barely above .500, he only reached 11 or more wins in 3 of 16 seasons, and the guy never won a single playoff game.
How do you keep that guy for 16 years?
How do you keep that guy for 16 years?
The NFL is only a meritocracy to a point, but it’s also a league that doesn’t like to take many risks or look very hard for new head coaches. I mean, the fact that either Gruden is a head coach speaks to the NFL not really being a complete meritocracy. I’m not suggesting there’s any kind of intentional racism, just disagreeing that it’s really a complete meritocracy.
He must have read the Charlie Weiss book of being at best mediocre and getting paid. The mediocre part is credit to Lewis. Weis sux.
That's definitely it, as it should be. But, you can't tell these social justice jackasses any different, nor will a media obsessed with drumming up drama and division ever stop race baiting when they report on these stories.
Well tell the minority coaches not to suck *** and they won’t be fired.
Hue Jackson- sucks, awful coach. The Browns Finished with a winning record in the games after his *** got shown the door.
Marvin Lewis-sucks now and should have been fired years ago.
Tomlin- sucks now and wasted a great team that should have won more Super Bowls than they did.
Bowles from the Jets- 17ing Really? Who gave that guy a head job?
Vance Joseph- God awful Hire that set that franchise back.
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You are certainly fired based on performance, but you arent hired based on it.
Better said, you aren't always even given an opportunity based on performance.
I'm not saying the current diversity is good or bad.
I'm simply saying your claim to hiring based on just performance isnt accurate.
NFL teams seem to love hiring retreads and are conservative with their risk to the point of missing out on opportunity.
You just made my point. You mentioned risk. The biggest, if not only factor that drives risk is...performance. They’re conservative because they want/need results. You don’t honestly believe that a black coach that shows potential wouldn’t get a fair shake? Asian? Hispanic? Anybody? By showing potential, I mean demonstrated potential at lower levels of coaching. Assistant/position coach, followed by coordinator then HC.
It all revolves around winning. Winning = $$$. Tickets, merchandise, ad revenue, etc.
You think white/Asian/Hispanic players are overlooked due to thier race? They’re certainly not represented proportionately to the general population. I don’t think they’re being overlooked or passed over due to race. If they can run, catch, pass, block, tackle, kick, they play. It’s all about performance. The rest is just divisive ******** noise. Those that push that crap without basis are doing nothing but driving a wedge between groups of people and fostering animosity.
If there’s evidence that a coach has performed and is being overlooked based on race, I’m right there with you and something needs to be done. That’s just not how modern sports work. I guarantee you that owners would fall all over themselves to make a minority hire if given the opportunity (high performing coordinator or successfull college coach).
The people beating this pc ignorant *** drum don’t realize (or don’t care) that playing the race card on coaches that are rightfully fired hurts minority coaches getting chances in the future, because teams don’t want to have to take the heat of being called a racist if the hire does not work out and they have to fire the guy.
Correct. And that’s more potential backlash from the Rooney rule. The more you force teams to forcibly interview unqualified minority candidates, the more likely it is that those teams will ultimately sometimes hire said candidates and then be forced to fire them a few years later.
If your a sucky coach then you get fired. It’s kind of what happened yesterday but the Rooney rule is a good one:
The NFL is the ultimate @ Good Ole Boys club”. They hire people they know and like in their inner circle. Without the Rooney rule, minority candidates weren’t even getting interviewed. All they have to is interview a minirority candidate for the job, there is no mandate to hire them.
Lots of good things happen from that rule and guess what, minority coaches can suck or be mediocre too.
The NFL is the ultimate @ Good Ole Boys club”. They hire people they know and like in their inner circle. Without the Rooney rule, minority candidates weren’t even getting interviewed. All they have to is interview a minirority candidate for the job, there is no mandate to hire them.
Lots of good things happen from that rule and guess what, minority coaches can suck or be mediocre too.
Don’t forget to leave out the fact that 25% of the NFL jobs are currently open. Let the cards land where they may but let’s not act like all the jobs are even damn filled yet
It becomes problematic when a coach is hired because of his race, while demonstrating little to no experience, but fired because of his performance. At that point, it is easy to point the ugly finger of racism at the institution that put the race based hiring system into play and it does have some merit since the coach was hired on anything but merit. This was precisely the case of one Sylvester Croom and continues to be the elephant in the room throughout many corporations, universities and institutions throughout the USA.
If NFL head coaches matched US demographics there would only ever be 4 black HC at a given time. Seems like they’ve been way over represented lately.
On the other hand there hasn’t been a white starting cornerback since 2002.
The NFL recycles the same coaches year after year and/or their 17n sons or nephews. Most nepotistic organization outside of Hollywood.
Plenty of black coaches to interview but they either don't have the bloodline or they aren't a shoot from the Walsh/Parcells coaching tree.
Plenty of black coaches to interview but they either don't have the bloodline or they aren't a shoot from the Walsh/Parcells coaching tree.
Yep, just a bunch of good ole boys hiring their brother's kids. Sure, it's like this in most family owned businesses but this one is one of the big employers in our country. If they hire an inept coach just because they interviewed them, then that's their own damn fault. If a guy impresses you enough to hire him, then give him a shot. Sure, some will be bust, fire them and move on. Most NFL coaches are out in a few years anyway.
Did you miss the recent SEVEN HC number? We’re any of the fired undeserving?
That dopamine hit you get by social signaling must be nice.
I think you missed his point, which was about who is hired in the first place. I don’t think he was talking about whether any of the firings were deserved or undeserved.
Did you miss my point that recently there were 7 black HC? Almost twice the proportion of the national population.
Yeah, sorry, you’re right I missed the point you were trying to make in your first paragraph because I thought the second paragraph was irrelevant. My bad.
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