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I've never thought it was Naz that did it. The drug test results showing he had been taking drugs before that night is a concern for my theory though.

Weird things that must play a role in the story:

-Bad feet
-Deer head on the wall
-Detective seemingly second guessing himself
-The cat
-Other black guy (who I think did it)
-Step dad
-Taxi
 
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I've never thought it was Naz that did it. The drug test results showing he had been taking drugs before that night is a concern for my theory though.

Weird things that must play a role in the story:

-Bad feet
-Deer head on the wall
-Detective seemingly second guessing himself
-The cat
-Other black guy (who I think did it)
-Step dad
-Taxi
I'll add the fridge, the queens connection ( Nas, stepdad, and Freddy are from queens)
 

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I've never thought it was Naz that did it. The drug test results showing he had been taking drugs before that night is a concern for my theory though.

Weird things that must play a role in the story:

-Bad feet
-Deer head on the wall
-Detective seemingly second guessing himself
-The cat
-Other black guy (who I think did it)
-Step dad
-Taxi

I hear you on all these points and agree some don't seem to fit unless the play into the ending.

My thought is that these whodunit shows always throw diversions in there to try and steer people the wrong way.

I think they so blatantly showed the other black guy in the pilot that this is one of those diversions. They kept him in the background until this last episode and will focus the next episode or two on him. Everyone will think he was the killer and then the big surprise ending outta nowhere.

IDK I am just BS'ing here. I guess I hope it is more like this than the alternative. If they showed the actual killer so prominently in the opening episode it seems kinda anticlimactic to me.
 
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There is a lot of misdirection and more clues we don't generally consider. Everything we saw in the first episode is a clue. The two guys walking, that he had to go back and get his jacket showed that the door was locked, or did he lock it on his way out the first trip?

The last episode painted his violent and wreck less side, which is probably a diversion. There is something to the inhaler laying on the bed and the fact that Naz didn't really have a lot blood on him. With the way she looked you would think whoever did it got messy too. At this point I'd consider the guy across the street a suspect. Breaking that glass didn't make that much noise, he might have been keeping an eye out on purpose.

Let's pretend the doors were locked. That would suggest either Naz did it (no one has found any other forced entry) or that the killer had a key maybe. Someone like her strange acting step father. Didn't that crime scene guy find some blood outside in the last episode?

They sure seem to go back to her place a lot, that tells me there is still something there that hasn't been found and maybe they'll keep going back until they find it. Another thing the detective was onto were all the surveillance camera's, maybe there is one close to her place that will expose or disprove things.
 
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I hear you on all these points and agree some don't seem to fit unless the play into the ending.

My thought is that these whodunit shows always throw diversions in there to try and steer people the wrong way.

I think they so blatantly showed the other black guy in the pilot that this is one of those diversions. They kept him in the background until this last episode and will focus the next episode or two on him. Everyone will think he was the killer and then the big surprise ending outta nowhere.

IDK I am just BS'ing here. I guess I hope it is more like this than the alternative. If they showed the actual killer so prominently in the opening episode it seems kinda anticlimactic to me.

Yeah, they reintroduced the black guy too early for it to be him, or at least solely him. The step father is clearly involved somehow - that actor has been in too much other stuff lately to just be cast as a grieving relative. It could be that the step father was sick of the girls behavior, and hired the black guy to kill her. Maybe the black guy is hanging out in the area to scope her out, and decides it'd be a good time to do the deed being that she's with a Muslim guy and all.

I'd be shocked at this point if it isn't the step father somehow.
 

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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the Dwayne guy. This isn't strictly a mystery/whodunnit story, like True Detective S1. And even in True Detective, a lot of people suspected it was the lawnmower guy as soon as he was shown, which was fairly early.

I've said it before, but it's more of a critique of our criminal justice system, in the form of this criminal investigation. I don't think the writers focused on or cared as much about the actual killer and whether or not they "introduced him too early." If the killer is Dwayne(or the stepfather), just the mere fact that these two obvious potential suspects never even were looked at by the police could be part of the writer's entire point.
 

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It seems to be pointing towards the step father hiring the black guy to kill Andrea to claim her inheritance (although I'm not sure he would be the beneficiary without a will). The twist may be that Freddy was the one who set the hit in motion, and the black guy is one of his guys.
 

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It seems to be pointing towards the step father hiring the black guy to kill Andrea to claim her inheritance (although I'm not sure he would be the beneficiary without a will). The twist may be that Freddy was the one who set the hit in motion, and the black guy is one of his guys.

That's pretty interesting. Hadn't thought of Freddy being involved that way. Last couple episodes have been very good. Back to the actual crime and solving it. Def have a couple more viable suspects introduced now with the stepfather and the mortician. Stepdad def has more motive than anyone else up to this point. $10 million worth.

Gonna be interesting to see how it plays out. They are still setting up Nas as a kid who doesn't feel too bad about hurting people. But that could easily be misdirection also. The show has turned back on track and is very enjoyable to watch.

And thank God Turturro's feet cleared up. We can finally put that behind us, hopefully.
 

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I thought last night's episode was the weakest of the season. The trial has started way too soon and our crack defense team have not even thought to investigate obvious questions like Andrea's family/financial situation. That doesn't make sense. Also, I find the transformation of Nas into full blown jailhouse thug (getting his fingers tattooed and doing drugs right as his trial is beginning) totally unbelievable. This is disappointing because up to now the show has taken its time to explore details and nuances of the criminal justice system. But last night's episode was Law and Order 101.
 

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I thought last night's episode was the weakest of the season. The trial has started way too soon and our crack defense team have not even thought to investigate obvious questions like Andrea's family/financial situation. That doesn't make sense. Also, I find the transformation of Nas into full blown jailhouse thug (getting his fingers tattooed and doing drugs right as his trial is beginning) totally unbelievable. This is disappointing because up to now the show has taken its time to explore details and nuances of the criminal justice system. But last night's episode was Law and Order 101.

Yeah, having the trial already start was a weird decision by the writers. It feels way too quick, and both sides are still investigating important leads. The trial scenes were extraneous too - nothing really happened that necessitated them being there. If they just HAD to have a few courtroom scenes, they could have easily done some pre-trial stuff to make it look like the defense wasn't so woefully unprepared by the start of the actual trial.

I know they likely want a verdict handed down before the end of the season, but it seems like there could have been better ways to do it than how they're currently going about it. Still an enjoyable show to me though even with the plot holes.
 

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It would kind of also explain why Freddy is looking out for him in jail, since he knows Nas didn't actually do the crime.

I thought Freddy pretty clearly indicated that he had another person killed just so he could get a charge in that district, resulting in him serving his time there so his wife and kid would have a shorter bus ride to the prison. Freddy had no intention of having someone killed and then pinning it on a random guy.
 

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I thought Freddy pretty clearly indicated that he had another person killed just so he could get a charge in that district, resulting in him serving his time there so his wife and kid would have a shorter bus ride to the prison. Freddy had no intention of having someone killed and then pinning it on a random guy.

I wasn't saying that Freddy had Andrea killed to get him back to Rikers - those were two separate murders. Just that if someone wanted someone hit, Freddy sounds like the guy that could coordinate it even from the inside - Freddy saying that he had someone else murdered for himself supports that. His guy (Duane Reade) took the opportunity to pin it on Nas when it presented itself, and Freddy knowing what happened is taking Nas under his wing in jail.
 

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Someone gets their throat slit next week. Looks like either Freddy or the dude that was getting head in his cell.
 

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Didn't he just say he had someone "put another body on" him?

I took that to mean he had someone rat him out for a murder he didn't commit (a murder that happened before he was in prison).
 

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Didn't he just say he had someone "put another body on" him?

I took that to mean he had someone rat him out for a murder he didn't commit (a murder that happened before he was in prison).

That's a good point. I assumed he had someone rat him out as having ordered up a recent hit on someone, but your understanding makes more sense.
 

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The writing implausibilities are really piling up for a show that bills itself as an authentic look at American justice.

We're supposed to believe street-smart veteran criminal attorney Stone never thought to question why the girl was living in a $10 million pad, and whether that might create a motive, until the eve of the trial? That would have been a question on the first day -- not three months later. And the undercover routine in the gym was silly and way outside a plausible time line.

And there is much flaky about the trial. For example, why did the judge allow evidence of completely unrelated violence by Nas to be permitted? The only way the prejudicial nature of that is outweighed is if it shows a precise pattern of behavior, like OJ stalking his wife. Jurors, for example, never heard about three other women Willie Kennedy Smith assaulted because the details were ruled not close enough to the crime for which he was charged. Pushing a kid or throwing a coke can wouldn't come close to meeting that standard. If that was an accurate portrayal of the rules of evidence, every trial would include witnesses to every violent act of anyone arrested.

And the drug seller would have just taken the fifth; the state might have been able to immunize him and compel his testimony but not the defense.
 
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Unless they really hit it out of the park next week, this show has been a pretty big disappointment to me.
 

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This show has totally gone off the rails for a show that tries to be so "realistic" about the criminal justice system. There were so many things that were just wrong from a procedural standpoint. Having Stone "investigate" the stepfather during the trial makes no sense. Nas and Chandra kissing is just ridiculous and insulting to her character as a professional. Some of the "evidence" that was admitted at trial, such as the fact that the state offered a plea deal, would never have come in.

In short, the last couple of episodes have ruined this show.
 

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Do attorneys typically handle bloody evidence with no gloves and outside of any sort of sealed container during trial?

And how the hell have they not brought up the fact that there wasn't a single drop of blood on the inhaler that was laying in the middle of a bloody bed?

If you stopped after the first episode, the show wasn't bad. Cannot be salvaged at this point regardless of next week's episode.
 
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I've really enjoyed the show from the start and thought last night's episode was another solid hour, particularly the closing minutes. I understand some of the complaints about certain aspects of the trial and investigation being unrealistic, but I haven't approached the show as a completely accurate portrayal of the criminal justice system. Ultimately it's entertainment, and I think the acting and direction have been fantastic. Can't wait for the finale.
 
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Nas and Chandra kissing is just ridiculous and insulting to her character as a professional.

This bothered me maybe more than anything. I've known of exactly one person to do that type of ****, and she was batshit insane. Blew one of the inmates in the attorney/client conference room, spelled out not guilty on her finger nails for a trial, etc...

There is not the tiniest chance in hell that girl's character from the show would pull that type of ****.
 
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This bothered me maybe more than anything. I've known of exactly one person to do that type of ****, and she was batshit insane. Blew one of the inmates in the attorney/client conference room, spelled out not guilty on her finger nails for a trial, etc...

There is not the tiniest chance in hell that girl's character from the show would pull that type of ****.

Exactly. Id forgotten about that scene. Even worse than the drug dealer admitted to selling drugs on the stand.

Also forgot to mention the inhaler that @Bill Cosby brought up. Blood everywhere, but it was pristine. Definitely didnt fit.
 

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The show has gone off a cliff. The kiss, the knife, the detective that acted like he cared at first now doesn't give a rats *** about the truth. Are we seriously down to one episode and series is finished? That's a lot to expect. I want to know what's the deal with the deer head, the feet, cat, step father, and of course to finish the trial. There is no way they can do a good job wrapping that up in one episode.

The inhaler was the one thing that gave me reason to think the detective felt he didn't do it.
 
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The show has shown the investigation of all the suspicious characters that we have seen so far, except for whoever was on that motorcycle and stared down Naz as he was fleeing the house.

I also think it is significant that Naz is having flashbacks. He might remember something important.
 

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I agree with everything new said here about the last few episodes and the entire season. It has been very good at times, while also very bad and stereotypical. It had real potential from the first episode then took a weird turn in the middle that fixated on excema and cats.

Ultimately, as also mentioned, it has been at the least enjoyable for me to watch. Which unfortunately I can't say for a lot of shows these days. Not great but if they revamp and do another series with a different crime story I guarantee I will watch. Just like I watched that horrid POS season of True Detective last year.

Agree about the attorney, who I thought has put in a very solid acting job so far, kissing Nas in the jail holding cell with everyone right there. So unrealistic. Like they had to introduce some drama and just plugged it in there.

Not sure where it is headed for the final. Which I guess is a good thing considering it is supposed to keep us guessing. Still think it may have actually been Nas. Def pushing the stepdad angle recently, but just not sure I buy that one either. Could be CPA as previously mentioned. We will see I suppose.
 

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Finale is 1:45 long.

I'm going to go way out on a limb and throw Stone's son out there as the eventual killer. No idea why other than they've shown him several times and I'm not sure why. I've also seen theories of Stone being the killer.
 

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As I said, I'm just throwing it out there. Kind of as a twist ending. He is around her age, could be involved in the drug scene. I don't believe it however.
 

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Nevermind Chief. Second dumbest.

Well "chief" why don't you explain to me in your infinite message board wisdom why it is that you think that is such a dumb comment.

Never mind that it has been mentioned by several people as a possible scenario. Never mind that the actor who plays the CPA just kinda plopped into the series here the past couple episodes. Never mind that the actor who plays the CPA is not a famous actor, but one who has been in some fairly decent roles and has the chops to pull it off. Never mind that the CPA is the one who is pushing the narrative toward the stepdad, as one would potentially do if they were guilty and trying to push away possible suspicion.

I am not saying it is the CPA. But, I am saying it is not anywhere near the ball park of dumb to mention it as possible.

Of course, I could run around like the message board retard/cool guy and proclaim everything anyone says is stupid. But I choose to spend my time in more positive ways. However, continue on with your valiant effort of impressing all of us anonymous message board posters just how cool you actually think yourself to be. I will continue to be unimpressed.