That is the total buyout including asst. coaches
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-football/article101446002.html
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-football/article101446002.html
The number is $17.898 million
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Whoah. Go fund me campaign may take some heavy hitters to sign up. Maybe the coaches will feel bad for stealing from a dunderhead AD and renegotiate a lighter death sentence for the program...
Great job, Mitch. I bet those tailgate mobile homes were his idea too... Simply stoopid.
Great job, Mitch. I bet those tailgate mobile homes were his idea too... Simply stoopid.
Ever heard the saying "If you owe the bank $1,000,000, the bank owns you. If you owe the bank $1,000,000,000 you own the bank". Looks like he owns us.
barnharts buyout needs to be added to that too. what a turd.
Barnhart is going no where. He is signed until 2022.
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-football/article88620362.html
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-football/article88620362.html
From what I could find online, getting rid of Stoops this year would be the 2nd largest buyout in college football. Charlie Weiss alone got $18 million from Notre Dame, not sure about his assistants. Even at a $12 million just for Stoops, it's still the 2nd largest. It just won't happen, UK is stuck with Stoops for at least another year. Any coaching wants for this year, is just internet fodder.
Hopefully someone will attempt to answer this question. While I doubt it will be 60K empty seats, I don't doubt 30K. So, what does it cost UK if 30K fan don't attend a game? Multiply by the number of home games next year and what do you get.
Aren't this years tickets basically already bought? They would already have that revenue. So the bigger impact would be next year with ticket sales. This year would be concessions, UK gear, etc. Although I may be wrong.
If that was the pizza bill, I'd go ahead and give the delivery guy a flat $18 million.
A little something, you know, for the effort.
A little something, you know, for the effort.
Unfortunately he's not and that's the problem. Any where but UK if an AD does something like that contract he's gone. Mitch knows however that he's untouchable. This is a big problem with UK sports. There is no sense of accountability. MB doesn't have to field successful teams. Stoops is guaranteed a job even if he never wins another game. Even filters down to players. We saw players quitting the team and just stop giving effort and yet they were never benched.
Its actually a big difference. You are not just signing on to 2 years of losing. You are trying to sell recruits to 2 years of we aren't even trying. We are in lame duck status and if you want to get an idea of what just 2 years worth of lame duck status can do to a program then look up SMU football. On the tail end of that 2 years we would get crushed by teams like Charlotte.
There's a big difference in telling recruits 'we're bad now but we have a plan to get better' and telling them 'we're bad and we won't even try to get better during your 4 years here'.
I remember when Kansas was 12-1 and played in the Orange Bowl in football. I don't remember UK doing anything remotely close to that.
Why would any assistant coach at the University of Kentucky have a buyout in their clause? That is insane. Our assistants and coordinators are unproven at UK. I want them to be paid top dollar but let them earn a reputation before giving buyouts in their contracts. Not when they are first hired.
Let's say 30,000 more empty seats every game compared to with a new coach. $50 per ticket. Assume $10 concessions per person. Time 7 games. That's $12.6M in revenue. I don't think a ton of gear gets sold at games, but it would add a bit. Probably lose some parking pass sales if season tickets are severely depleted. You might be looking at $15M in revenue lost.
Barnhart can be bought out for less than Stoops...
I do. When I was at UK we also dominated in football. Of course, the NCAA didn't like it, and because we were on probation, we didn't get to play a bowl game, and we ended up 6th anyway. Many forget that great Florida season in 1979, WHEN THEY DID NOT WIN A SINGLE GAME. You youngsters think this mess had gone on forever. It has not, and it doesn't have to go on forever. You cannot win unless an AD makes good hires AND fires. The biggest tool an AD has is the ability to terminate. You can't motivate if there is no threat of losing the job. Barnfart has given that away. He made himself as useless as tits on a bull. .
Actually it's lower. As Story points out, UK does not owe the assistants if (and they will) find other jobs. For example, recall Tennessee was paying Ansley his first two years on UK's staff.
UK could have to pay the difference depending on each coaches contract. This is the nuance that's being lost. Still a lot of money, but it ain't that high.
A member of the BOT who was a finance person told me the royalty sales under Joker actually declined by about three million to five million during each of Jokers years. It just wasn't considered cool to have UK football gear by the young folks for some reason.
Also K fund assessments would probably be about five million less . So I would make your losses at about twenty to twenty three million a season if the actual paying crowd is thirty thousand . Fifty five to seventy million total losses for the three years left on Stoops contract.
I could suck at my job for much, much less
Stoops' 12M is the big deal. As pointed out above, assistants salaries are a different deal.
I think it depends
0-3 wins------- $12M would seem cheap.
4 wins ------ call gets tougher, could go either way.
5 wins ------ $12M would seem too much
6 or more wins ---- he's back. Odds of winning 6, at this point. 0.000000001% IMHO
I think it depends
0-3 wins------- $12M would seem cheap.
4 wins ------ call gets tougher, could go either way.
5 wins ------ $12M would seem too much
6 or more wins ---- he's back. Odds of winning 6, at this point. 0.000000001% IMHO
Okay. 40 years ago we won 10 games while on probation. What was I thinking about? BTW Curci was 47-51-2 for his career.
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Barnhart doesn't believe in "microwave" coaches either. At this rate, it would take a decade for Stoops to Mr. Magoo his way into a bowl game.
Barnhart expects for football fans to take it up the tailpipe in the interim, and be happy with roundball.
Barnhart expects for football fans to take it up the tailpipe in the interim, and be happy with roundball.
I too remember those days and in fact I remember when we held the series lead on Florida. I remember Fran Curci once saying Florida was a sleeping giant in football. I was in the stadium in Gainesville when our great 77 team took them down. The attendance at Florida Field was a little over 50,000 that day. UK fans were everywhere in that stadium and literally took over restaurants and bars in Gainesville that night. The next week we played and beat Tennessee and had more fans in Commonwealth than Florida had. So denhunter is right this is on the AD. Kentucky has an can be a winner in football but not as long as Barney is the AD.
We were 6-0 in the SEC that year
I think this makes sense...UK has to win 2 of 4 winnable SEC games vs. UCS, Mizzou, Vandy and Miss St. (I'd almost argue Miss St looks un winnable after what I've seen from UK) and win the 2 remaining non conference scrubs.
Figure with 30,000 in stands would be more like 18 to 24 million a year depending upon a number of factors such as reduced K fund contributions , royalties etc. my best guess is around twenty million or about sixty million for the final three years of his contract.
No accountability .
I'd be inclined to keep Morrow. This might actually be a way to reduce the number. Some of the assistants can be offered to stay on so we don't buy them out. If they opt out then we don't have to pay them.Can blame the Big Harbobo for Marrow's.
How can anyone guarantee that firing Stoops and bringing in another coach will bring fans back next year?
That's the reasoning Mitch will use to keep Stoops here another year. As long as the corporate boxes and tickets are bought, Mitch doesn't care if the regular SUPERLOYAL fans return.
Apparently, being made fun of on national TV and in the sports media world, has no effect on Mitch.
SAD
That's the reasoning Mitch will use to keep Stoops here another year. As long as the corporate boxes and tickets are bought, Mitch doesn't care if the regular SUPERLOYAL fans return.
Apparently, being made fun of on national TV and in the sports media world, has no effect on Mitch.
SAD
That's a good thought. Some (most?) incoming head coaches wouldn't stand for it, but some who would ... at least for a guy like Marrow (who would probably get hired away immediately anyway).
Barnhart doesn't believe in "microwave" coaches either.
That's fine if you have a hot stove. I haven't seen one.
That's fine if you have a hot stove. I haven't seen one.
nah. off the top of my head I think of Kevin White - AD at Notre Dame who survived I) hiring George O'Leary for 5 days, ii) hiring Tyrone Willingham iii) hiring Charlie Weiss and iv) extending Charlie Weiss for 10 years. Notre Dame football has a little more tradition than UK, and he survived all that.....