The only reason we are not on the bubble..
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not really directed at you, just a general comment here, but i dont give a **** if we make it. we are a bad baseball team that occasionally plays well enough. sometimes, teams need a wake-up call. we need to get significantly better in many ways. im not interested in watching a hapless team flail about in the post-season a la ole miss.
that is all of our worst nightmares. if ole miss could buck their post-season woes, they could make a run for a national title. in doing so, they would instantly supplant msu as the baseball school in the state. if we think we have it rough now, wait until that unimaginable alignment of stars takes place. we must not care much about baseball because we seem to be comfortable in our spot in the middle of the sec pack and consistently not competing in conference.
notice to everyone: we arent a baseball school anymore....not by sec standards. sure, we LOVE baseball, but we suck at it. its time we got significantly better and beg, borrow, steal, and spend our way to the top again, whatever the cost. anything less would be an affirmation of my statement about not caring about baseball. why the 17 cant we seem to build? how the hell do we have some of the worst hitters in the conference and get caught in position where we dont have anyone that can catch consistently nor keep anyone remotely close on the bases? this is fundamental baseball we are failing at. its hard to win many games when you cant catch, hit, or pitch. im tired of losing and im somewhat worried about our our ability to turn it around quickly. we dont have sec talent and we cant ride all-americans that we dont have.
notice to everyone: we arent a baseball school anymore....not by sec standards. sure, we LOVE baseball, but we suck at it. its time we got significantly better and beg, borrow, steal, and spend our way to the top again, whatever the cost. anything less would be an affirmation of my statement about not caring about baseball. why the 17 cant we seem to build? how the hell do we have some of the worst hitters in the conference and get caught in position where we dont have anyone that can catch consistently nor keep anyone remotely close on the bases? this is fundamental baseball we are failing at. its hard to win many games when you cant catch, hit, or pitch. im tired of losing and im somewhat worried about our our ability to turn it around quickly. we dont have sec talent and we cant ride all-americans that we dont have.
UCLA is not going to make a regional, so we might be in good company..North Carolina and NC State are also pretty much out of it.
I agree ole miss is our worst nightmare. They have all the pieces for a deep run.
I agree ole miss is our worst nightmare. They have all the pieces for a deep run.
Well he is right
Some if you worry entirely too much about Ole Miss.
One thing I would live to know us if Yancy would feel the same way this year if Ole Miss made a CWS. I remember last year when state was in it he put up some long post talking about how ratings were so low for the CWS that nobody really cared about college baseball to make all if his little followers feel better
Some if you worry entirely too much about Ole Miss.
One thing I would live to know us if Yancy would feel the same way this year if Ole Miss made a CWS. I remember last year when state was in it he put up some long post talking about how ratings were so low for the CWS that nobody really cared about college baseball to make all if his little followers feel better
Ole Miss has the team to make Omaha this year and if they make it they deserve
it, pretty simple. We have a lot of work to do on our club, can't hit for **** and could not overcome pitching injuries. We looked like we were about to hit our stride against Vandy with Preston Brown looking good then down he goes and Woody never steps up. It turns out we were probably hotter than we were great last year and this year proves it. I am still positive on the team and Cohen/staff.
it, pretty simple. We have a lot of work to do on our club, can't hit for **** and could not overcome pitching injuries. We looked like we were about to hit our stride against Vandy with Preston Brown looking good then down he goes and Woody never steps up. It turns out we were probably hotter than we were great last year and this year proves it. I am still positive on the team and Cohen/staff.
Yancy is a buffoon
But he has a small point, CWS ratings blow, they get crushed by women's softball (Girls play sports?) and nationally it's not that well-followed.
All that said, it's still #3 by a longshot, and I can't even say what #4 is, and I'd be really happy to go and any discounting your trip is simply sour grapes.
But he has a small point, CWS ratings blow, they get crushed by women's softball (Girls play sports?) and nationally it's not that well-followed.
All that said, it's still #3 by a longshot, and I can't even say what #4 is, and I'd be really happy to go and any discounting your trip is simply sour grapes.
Our RPI was #42 yesterday, so if we were going to be a #2 seed, it would have been just barely. And it's kind of rare for an SEC team to be a #3 seed. Losing to Jacksonville St. probably drops the RPI closer to #50.
ETA: We are only 15-14 against top 100 RPI teams (5-10 vs. top 50) and we now have 5 100+ losses. If I were on the selection committee and a team came up with our resume, they wouldn't get my vote.
ETA: We are only 15-14 against top 100 RPI teams (5-10 vs. top 50) and we now have 5 100+ losses. If I were on the selection committee and a team came up with our resume, they wouldn't get my vote.
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Just last weekend, our Thursday game against Texas A&M was on ESPNU. ESPN was showing an SEC softball game. That should tell us all we need to know about where college baseball stands in the national consciousness. That said, Yancy, Bianco, Cohen, and most anyone on this board, Nafoom, or Yancy's board would kill to go to the CWS any year.
Oh I agree
I just wonder if he will remind everyone that nobody cares or nobody watches if ole miss makes it to Omaha
I just wonder if he will remind everyone that nobody cares or nobody watches if ole miss makes it to Omaha
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course the ratings are bad. That doesn't mean it isn't an idiotic article written to take a jab at State, who your fans allegedly aren't obessesed about (as much as State fans!!1).
course the ratings are bad. That doesn't mean it isn't an idiotic article written to take a jab at State, who your fans allegedly aren't obessesed about (as much as State fans!!1).
I think it says more about where...
women's sports stand in the consciousness of ESPN. They've stated publicly that they are attempting to promote women's sports as a policy. The cost of doing so over things like college baseball is worth it for the reputation boost in their eyes.
women's sports stand in the consciousness of ESPN. They've stated publicly that they are attempting to promote women's sports as a policy. The cost of doing so over things like college baseball is worth it for the reputation boost in their eyes.
I think college baseball would get a greater ratings boost if the Northeastern teams didn't suck so bad. But I guess that they can't really help that they stay snowed under between February and April when the college baseball season is taking place.
I have come to the conclusion that barring an amazing hot streak at just the right time, this team isn't getting past regionals. Our complete lack of offense is killing us. It's very disappointing that after such a special season last year, our team couldn't at least get back to Omaha.
I have come to the conclusion that barring an amazing hot streak at just the right time, this team isn't getting past regionals. Our complete lack of offense is killing us. It's very disappointing that after such a special season last year, our team couldn't at least get back to Omaha.
People in the northeast will never care about college baseball
It is all about pro baseball up there
It is all about pro baseball up there
I had a feeling we might drop 2 to Texas A&M, but I was hoping we would use these next 3 SEC series to get back in the hunt for a solid postseason spot. After last night's game, I'm pretty much sold that this is a mediocre team at best. I think we make regionals, but we won't win more than 2 games once we get there. I hope I'm wrong.
Part of that is absurd
Most of us would agree that our baseball success in the last 10 years is somewhere between par and subpar as far as where most of us think we should be or are capable of being. Yet outside of LSU, South Carolina, and probably Vandy, the other SEC schools would trade their success in that period with our 2 trips to Omaha, including a trip to the finals, not to mention being 4 outs from a third trip to Omaha without much hesitation. But we arent a baseball school when it comes to SEC standards. As far as SEC relevance, one could argue MSU baseball > Georgia football, MSU baseball > Tennessee football, MSU baseball >Tennessee basketball, MSU baseball > Arkansas football, MSU baseball>Arkansas basketball, MSU basebal >South Carolina football. hell it could be reasonably argued that post Urb MSU baseball = Florida Football . All of those comparisons cold be heavily debated but none of them can be downright denied without hesitation.
Most of us would agree that our baseball success in the last 10 years is somewhere between par and subpar as far as where most of us think we should be or are capable of being. Yet outside of LSU, South Carolina, and probably Vandy, the other SEC schools would trade their success in that period with our 2 trips to Omaha, including a trip to the finals, not to mention being 4 outs from a third trip to Omaha without much hesitation. But we arent a baseball school when it comes to SEC standards. As far as SEC relevance, one could argue MSU baseball > Georgia football, MSU baseball > Tennessee football, MSU baseball >Tennessee basketball, MSU baseball > Arkansas football, MSU baseball>Arkansas basketball, MSU basebal >South Carolina football. hell it could be reasonably argued that post Urb MSU baseball = Florida Football . All of those comparisons cold be heavily debated but none of them can be downright denied without hesitation.
here is how we stack up, im going to ignore your last 10 year stipulation, as it was not part of my argument.
alabama 5 CWS trips, 2x CWS runner-up
arkansas 7 CWS trips, 1x CWS runner-up
auburn 4 CWS trips
florida 8 CWS trips, 2x CWS runner-up
georgia 6 CWS trips, 1x CWS runner-up, 1x National champion
kentucky
lsu 16 CWS trips, 6x National champion
mizzou 6 CWS trips, 3x CWS runner-up, 1x National champion
msu 9 CWS trips, 1x CWS runner-up
ole miss 4 CWS trips
south carolina 11 CWS trips, 4x CWS runner-up, 2x National champion
tennessee 4 CWS trips, 1x CWS runner-up
texas am 5 CWS trips
vandy 1 CWS trip
So you think vandy wouldnt trade with us? yeah....ok. anywho, im not even going to touch those comparisons with a 10 ft pole, as some of them i agree with, some of them are horrible comparisons (particularly the one claiming msu baseball > National title winning tennessee football (you cannot be serious)....).
and as far as your claimed absurdity of my comments, when you stack them up against other programs in what really matters (post-season success and making it as deep as possible in the cws) here is where we rank. homerism aside.
National titles
LSU-6
USC-2
UGA-1
MIZ-1
Of the 10 national titles held among sec schools, we have none.
(ok, so we didn't win, but how close to winning did we get?)
Of the 15 runner-ups the SEC has amassed, MSU has a whopping total of 1 of them. Of teams that did not win national titles (Uga, Mizzou, USC, and LSU), Alabama and florida both have more appearances in the championship series.
From a pure results standpoint (ie, how far did you get) that puts us at-best squarely in 7th out of the 14 teams in the league, as each and every one of those teams have bested our best single-season efforts.
when we look at our peers from the same pure results standpoint based on how far our respective teams progressed, that ties us with arkansas and tennessee.
again, from a strictly results standpoint, one could make the argument that the only teams we have bested in our conference are kentucky, ole miss, texas a&m, auburn, and vanderbilt (a team that you postulated would NOT trade places with us despite their lone trip to the cws).
that is extremely depressing to type and NO I DO NOT BELIEVE ALL OF THOSE TEAMS are better than we are, but from a strict standpoint of tournament results (as seen in how far and how often teams have progressed), that argument could be made.
the point is, we are not this baseball powerhouse that we once were and we need to quit being legends in our own minds, get busy, and start doing **** towards the program that make it appear like we give a 17 about it (not from a fan's standpoint, but an athletic department standpoint). if you think this is a criticism of the fans, you couldnt be more wrong. in fact, i think we have some of the best fans in the nation. you go to a game and you see heroic pictures plastered all over DNF that we have 9 CWS appearances.....big 17ing deal.....without national titles, it doesnt mean ****. ask florida state....notoriously the biggest choke artists of all time.
they have 21 CWS appearances, 3x runners up, ZERO titles.
the whole point of this rant is for us to take an introspective look at ourselves and examine if we have the right level of dedication to our baseball program. one of my consistent arguments is that we (as a program) want all these wonderful things but when push comes to shove i dont think we are very dedicated to excellence.
alabama 5 CWS trips, 2x CWS runner-up
arkansas 7 CWS trips, 1x CWS runner-up
auburn 4 CWS trips
florida 8 CWS trips, 2x CWS runner-up
georgia 6 CWS trips, 1x CWS runner-up, 1x National champion
kentucky
lsu 16 CWS trips, 6x National champion
mizzou 6 CWS trips, 3x CWS runner-up, 1x National champion
msu 9 CWS trips, 1x CWS runner-up
ole miss 4 CWS trips
south carolina 11 CWS trips, 4x CWS runner-up, 2x National champion
tennessee 4 CWS trips, 1x CWS runner-up
texas am 5 CWS trips
vandy 1 CWS trip
So you think vandy wouldnt trade with us? yeah....ok. anywho, im not even going to touch those comparisons with a 10 ft pole, as some of them i agree with, some of them are horrible comparisons (particularly the one claiming msu baseball > National title winning tennessee football (you cannot be serious)....).
and as far as your claimed absurdity of my comments, when you stack them up against other programs in what really matters (post-season success and making it as deep as possible in the cws) here is where we rank. homerism aside.
National titles
LSU-6
USC-2
UGA-1
MIZ-1
Of the 10 national titles held among sec schools, we have none.
(ok, so we didn't win, but how close to winning did we get?)
Of the 15 runner-ups the SEC has amassed, MSU has a whopping total of 1 of them. Of teams that did not win national titles (Uga, Mizzou, USC, and LSU), Alabama and florida both have more appearances in the championship series.
From a pure results standpoint (ie, how far did you get) that puts us at-best squarely in 7th out of the 14 teams in the league, as each and every one of those teams have bested our best single-season efforts.
when we look at our peers from the same pure results standpoint based on how far our respective teams progressed, that ties us with arkansas and tennessee.
again, from a strictly results standpoint, one could make the argument that the only teams we have bested in our conference are kentucky, ole miss, texas a&m, auburn, and vanderbilt (a team that you postulated would NOT trade places with us despite their lone trip to the cws).
that is extremely depressing to type and NO I DO NOT BELIEVE ALL OF THOSE TEAMS are better than we are, but from a strict standpoint of tournament results (as seen in how far and how often teams have progressed), that argument could be made.
the point is, we are not this baseball powerhouse that we once were and we need to quit being legends in our own minds, get busy, and start doing **** towards the program that make it appear like we give a 17 about it (not from a fan's standpoint, but an athletic department standpoint). if you think this is a criticism of the fans, you couldnt be more wrong. in fact, i think we have some of the best fans in the nation. you go to a game and you see heroic pictures plastered all over DNF that we have 9 CWS appearances.....big 17ing deal.....without national titles, it doesnt mean ****. ask florida state....notoriously the biggest choke artists of all time.
they have 21 CWS appearances, 3x runners up, ZERO titles.
the whole point of this rant is for us to take an introspective look at ourselves and examine if we have the right level of dedication to our baseball program. one of my consistent arguments is that we (as a program) want all these wonderful things but when push comes to shove i dont think we are very dedicated to excellence.
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