The Problems With Districts

HT345

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I acknowledge that conferences aren't perfect & the fact that Naperville Central needs to go play St. Catholic Central in Columbus, Ohio stinks. I acknowledge that scheduling is a nightmare for some schools. I acknowledge that conference shuffling is problematic. But, districts don't necessarily alleviate the first two problems, and seemingly only create more problems. So, here goes.

Problem #1: District geography. If travel for games is an issue now, it's still an issue under districts. How many trips will Edwardsville have to make to the southwest suburbs a year now? 2? 3? If Moline goes 7A, who are they playing? Batavia? Geneva? How is that trip from North Chicago to Rochelle going to go? Glenbard South had a great tweet yesterday showing their predictions of 5A districts. It's absolutely comical that CPS schools may have to drive out to Peoria for a game. Sidenote, for a school like Edwardsville, they'll now have to play some games on Fridays & some on Saturdays. That will make for an enjoyable fall for those players, coaches, & their families.

Problem #2: Scheduling Part 1. Non-conference scheduling isn't going to change. I know that everyone seems to believe that scheduling will somehow become easier because, "We'll now schedule up since the game doesn't matter!", but some teams will still look for challenging games to prepare for district & postseason play, while others will look for cupcakes so as to avoid potential injuries or blows to confidence. Non-conference scheduling will still feature a myriad of competing interests, which will still make scheduling tough.

Problem #3: Scheduling Part 2. Some districts will have an odd number of teams. Some teams will have off-weeks Week 7. So, some teams will still need to find games Week 7. I can't wait for the first match-up between Quincy & Vernon Hills, who both have the week off, but still wanted to play. Oh, there's also the opportunity to take a week off. That's awesome! If you choose that, you just robbed a kid of a week without a game.

Problem #4: Scheduling Part 3: Are underclass teams included? Didn't Batavia, Geneva, & the St. Charles schools leave the Upstate 8 to get away from competing against teams that didn't have underclass levels(across all sports)? If so, if those teams are stuck in a district with their old counterparts, they're stuck trying to find games again. That creates more scheduling issues.

Problem #5: Scheduling Part 4: Are underclass teams included? No? Ok. So now ADs have to schedule varsity games, as well as underclass games? That creates more scheduling issues.

Problem #6: Scheduling Part 4 + Staffing: Let's say underclass teams are not included. At many schools, the Varsity/JV/Soph staff is one staff that works together on game nights. If underclass games are not included, you're now sending your staff to coach a varsity game on Friday night, then sending at least some of them to coach again on Saturday morning. Yes, many teams play JV games on Saturday morning. But, most schools don't send as many coaches to a JV game as they do to a Sophomore game. You've now killed staff game-planning on Saturdays, which likely means a whole bunch of staffs will now have to gameplan on Sundays instead. I know that coaches work everyday, but you've now created a situation where most coaches in the state are going to now go into school every. single. day. for at least 9 weeks. That will make for an enjoyable fall for those coaches & their families.

Problem #7: The Catholic League. I'm admittedly not tapped into the Catholic League outside of what I read from the Sun-Times or Trib. However, didn't Brother Rice's coach state his unhappiness that all of those storied rivalries will now be taken away? What are the odds that they bolt from the IHSA to form their own league now? What does that do to the suburban schools when the Catholics are gone, & without being checked at all by the IHSA, to recruit at will? Great. You just watered down the level of play in the suburbs. I have no issue with the Catholic League bolting either. If I was at Carmel, Rice, Rita, etc, I'd be pretty mad that my storied rivalries are now gone because I have to play 'insert cps school here' instead of Marist.

Problem #8: CPS. This will kill CPS football. How does it not, unless they're allowed to excuse themselves? Even the best CPS schools like Morgan Park will get pummeled playing in a district with Carmel, Rice, Rita, & Marist. The non-traditional power CPS schools will be hurt even more. Congratulations, because once you kill football at most schools, you've taken away the opportunities of those kids as well.

Problem #9: Atmosphere, rivalries, etc. Instead of traveling a few miles to Lakes to play the kids they went to junior high with, Grant now gets sent to Rockord East. No more Lake Zurich vs. Stevenson. No more Libertyville vs. Stevenson. Glenbrook North & Glenbrook South? Gone. St. Charles East vs. St. Charles North? No more. Chad Hetlet expressed his dismay at no longer getting to play schools they've played for 100 years. They're either going to be lumped in with OPRF, LT, & York, or Downers North. No more Moline vs. Rock Island. No more Normal vs. Normal West. Don't worry, I'm sure the atmosphere at the Moline vs. Geneva game will be riveting though. I'm sure the atmosphere at the St. Rita vs. Corliss game will be stellar as well. So will the Kaneland vs. Juarez game on a Saturday morning in the city. Check out what Mascoutah's AD posted to twitter yesterday. It was legitimately sad.

Again, I know the state, and some schools in particular have issues. But, I think this will legitimately create more issues that many people didn't realize, or bother to ponder before voting.
 

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You raise some excellent points. I'm holding out hope that since districts are not supposed to be implemented until 2021 that a competing referendum is brought forward that alters or eliminates the current proposal before it's implemented.
 

ScottieKnows

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HT345. I couldn't agree more on all accounts. Been on this sight a long time. The issues between Non-Boundary schools and Boundary schools will will get even worse with districting. There is a reason the non-boundary schools were rarely welcome into their public counterparts. Making schedules tougher? Not true. Some schedules get easier. Conferences adjusted to their program's needs (underlevels, numbers....etc.) Districts can't do that. A one size fits all doesn't fit all. There are a lot of knowledgeable people here in the state and IHSA that have to see that solving the problems that districting is supposedly going to resolve (conference changing), is going to create just way more problems. Entire levels and programs are going to be lost. AND then if the thought process is that we can try this and just go back to how it was before.......by then we've lost numbers, levels and programs completely. No recovery.
 
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Hillini74

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1.) Part of me feels for Moline and part of me wonders why they CHOSE to play O’Fallon in non-conference matchups previously. I believe the geographic issues will impact a VAST minority of member schools. People have mentioned Moline, Edwardsville, Plainfield’s, Minooka. I believe that Glenbard South was a part of the Metro conference that sent them to Kankakee. North Chicago will not go to Rochelle unless its a playoff matchup. The farthest west they will go is Genoa-Kingston.
I believe the vast majority of teams will have a decent group of schools in their proximity.

2.) Have you been a part of non-conference scheduling conversations? This will completely change that landscape and reduce out of state games for necessity. ESL and others can still play their preferred national stage games.

3.) Where does the proposal mention off-weeks for week #7? 8 or nine team districts with 7 games scheduled by the IHSA. 2 non-district games. Top 4 district finishers make the playoffs. No mention of week 7.

4.) MOST teams because they are in the same classification will have an easy time scheduling the corresponding lower level games. Just like now. Team wilth low participation numbers, the AD’s will have to find lower level games...Just like now.

5.) Just like now.

6.) We appreciate your concern but the participation and competition limitations have already killed Saturday JV games. The head coaches are more than capable of delegating responsibility and assigning the appropriate personnel for each competition. Technological advances have made gameplanning much more flexible and efficient than it ever has been.

7.) The Catholic league is not pulling out of the IHSA. The merger was designed to attempt to keep schools from closing their doors or permanently losing football. There are other sports to consider in regards to IHSA membership. Everyone assumes all catholic schools want to battle each other every single week. As far as unlimited recruiting...see tuition rates and property tax rates and put them together.

8.) CPS has been an outlier for a very long time. Different eligibility rules, different system of accountability, playoff qualification standards. See 5A north every single year. One non-CPS school currently gets a walk to the quarters if not the semi’s

9.) Grant is much more likely to go to 7A East with Libertyville and Mundelein than West. Libertyville’s coach was quoted as approving of the District format. He’s not losing any sleep over not playing Stevenson, or they’ll schedule it week one or two if it’s important. Glenbrooks? St. Charles? Sounds like amazing season openers! I”m sure the Hitters can lump 200 years of combined football history into the first two weeks of the season.
 

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3.) Where does the proposal mention off-weeks for week #7? 8 or nine team districts with 7 games scheduled by the IHSA. 2 non-district games. Top 4 district finishers make the playoffs. No mention of week 7.
I THINK that was just an example. If you have an Odd number of teams, one team is always off during the regular season.
 

Kevin JCHS 81

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Maybe the IHSA will come up with a rule for Districts with 9 members, that both of their non-conf game will not occur in weeks 1 and 2 necessarily.
 

HT345

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1.) Part of me feels for Moline and part of me wonders why they CHOSE to play O’Fallon in non-conference matchups previously. I believe the geographic issues will impact a VAST minority of member schools. People have mentioned Moline, Edwardsville, Plainfield’s, Minooka. I believe that Glenbard South was a part of the Metro conference that sent them to Kankakee. North Chicago will not go to Rochelle unless its a playoff matchup. The farthest west they will go is Genoa-Kingston.
I believe the vast majority of teams will have a decent group of schools in their proximity.

Yes, a vast majority of schools will have teams in their proximity. However, any school on the periphery of the suburbs, as well as any school from 5A - 8A downstate may have to travel more than they do now.

2.) Have you been a part of non-conference scheduling conversations? This will completely change that landscape and reduce out of state games for necessity. ESL and others can still play their preferred national stage games.

Yes, I have been part of non-conference scheduling conversations. Again, teams will still have different interests, making non-conference scheduling difficult.

3.) Where does the proposal mention off-weeks for week #7? 8 or nine team districts with 7 games scheduled by the IHSA. 2 non-district games. Top 4 district finishers make the playoffs. No mention of week 7.

If you're in a district with an odd number of teams, you may have Week 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9 off. The proposal acknowledges that if you read it.

4.) MOST teams because they are in the same classification will have an easy time scheduling the corresponding lower level games. Just like now. Team wilth low participation numbers, the AD’s will have to find lower level games...Just like now.

So, this doesn't fix lower-level scheduling, which was my point.

5.) Just like now.

Yes. Still a scheduling problem.

6.) We appreciate your concern but the participation and competition limitations have already killed Saturday JV games. The head coaches are more than capable of delegating responsibility and assigning the appropriate personnel for each competition. Technological advances have made gameplanning much more flexible and efficient than it ever has been.

I'm glad you appreciate my concern; it doesn't change the fact that it's still an issue. And, while you didn't have enough kids to have a JV game at every ESCC school this year, it doesn't change the fact that some schools do. And, for staffs that still meet in person, this may create more work. Again, maybe this wouldn't have applied to you last year, but it may apply to a lot of schools.

7.) The Catholic league is not pulling out of the IHSA. The merger was designed to attempt to keep schools from closing their doors or permanently losing football. There are other sports to consider in regards to IHSA membership. Everyone assumes all catholic schools want to battle each other every single week. As far as unlimited recruiting...see tuition rates and property tax rates and put them together.

Maybe I'm wrong. So be it.

8.) CPS has been an outlier for a very long time. Different eligibility rules, different system of accountability, playoff qualification standards. See 5A north every single year. One non-CPS school currently gets a walk to the quarters if not the semi’s

If they get a waiver & continue as is, good for them. What if they don't?

9.) Grant is much more likely to go to 7A East with Libertyville and Mundelein than West. Libertyville’s coach was quoted as approving of the District format. He’s not losing any sleep over not playing Stevenson, or they’ll schedule it week one or two if it’s important. Glenbrooks? St. Charles? Sounds like amazing season openers! I”m sure the Hitters can lump 200 years of combined football history into the first two weeks of the season.

Maybe Grant does go East. What if they don't? Look at IHSA sectional assignments; they don't always make sense. And, just because you're particular interests were not impacted, doesn't lessen the desire of schools to keep traditional rivals that they have played for a long term. Because some conferences had issues, the solution here was to blow up all conferences.
 

Hillini74

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“If you're in a district with an odd number of teams, you may have Week 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9 off. The proposal acknowledges that if you read it.“

Okay so I went back and read the proposal again. I failed to translate the odd number to an actual schedule.

If I’m in an 8 team district, I would play every other (7) teams and that’s a clean schedule. An odd number of teams creates a mid season open week scenario. That’s similar to what the DVC experienced in their current conference play. I remember Cary playing Naperville Central in the middle of the year.

I agree that that is a challenge to overcome. Maybe there will be the opportunity to pair with another odd numbered district in the same class or higher or lower to fill the needs of that scenario. I assume the schedulers would limit the frequency of that scenario as much as possible. Could be a golden opportunity for the teams concerned about travel to schedule a near neighbor that happens to be in an odd number district.