The program that Randy Croom's inherited, lets make a comparison....

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">OLE MISS (1994) Illegal football recruiting inducements by coaches and boosters, boosters taking prospects to a strip club and unethical conduct by the head coach. The 1994 probation followed 1986 sanctions on similar grounds. Sanctions: Four years of probation, two-year postseason ban, one-year TV ban, loss of 24 scholarships and reduction of official recruiting visits from 56 to 40.

From 1995 to 1998, the weebuls went 26-20 with 3 winning seasons.

ALABAMA (2002) Three boosters were found guilty of football recruiting violations, including payments to two prospects and one player. UA was on probation at the time. Sanctions: Five years of probation, loss of 21 scholarships and disassociation of boosters.

From 2003 to 2007, the Tird went 33-30 with a 10 win season

AUBURN (1993) Football program guilty of providing game-performance bonuses, regular cash payments and using ineligible players. Sanctions: Two years of probation, two-year postseason ban, one-year TV ban, loss of 13 initial scholarships.

From 1994 to 1995, the War Chickens went 17-5

FLORIDA (1985) Illegal fund by head football coach, unethical conduct by six athletic department employees, improper use of complimentary tickets to pay athletes, improper entertainment of prospects and improper transportation and lodging. Sanctions: Two years of probation, two-year postseason ban, two-year TV ban, loss of 10 scholarships and the reduction of maximum scholarships by 10.

From 1986 to 1987, the Gutters went 12-11

KENTUCKY (2002) Case involved football recruiting coordinator, two other assistants, a football camp director. Among the violations: the coordinator provided cash and no-cost lodging for prospects, paid an ACT tutorial fee for another prospect and sent a money order to a prep coach to entice a player. Sanctions: Three years of probation, one-year postseason ban, loss of 19 initial scholarships and reduction of maximum scholarships by five.

From 2003 to 2006, the UKittens went 17-30. However, they've now posted their third winning season in a row.
</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The NCAA announced sanctions for the <span class="Hyperlink2"><font color="#003399">Mississippi State</font></span> program, totaling four years on probation, a loss of eight scholarships for the next two years, and banned from post season play this year, lose 11 recruiting visits, all because of recruiting violations.</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">
From 2004 to 2007, Randy Croom's first years, MSU went 17-30. MSU has had 1 good year under Randy Crooms and that appears more and more to have been a fluke. We'll be lucky to win one more this year and next year does not look good.

All the talk about the pitiful shape of the program when Randy Crooms arrived kind of loses it's luster when you look at what MSU has done with much less penalties compared to the other situations.

These scenarios are all from an article entitled "Seven of the SEC's most famous infractions". I didn't list all 7 because some were in basketball.

Everyone of the instances was much worse than what Randy Croom's inherited. Yet everyone of the teams, save Kentucky, had a winning record through the probation. Even though Kentucky didn't win throughout the probation, they have clearly turned things for the better.

I don't think any of us expected winning records through the probation. However we did expect better than the slop we have now. So the next time someone throws up "the awful mess that Randy Crooms inherited" please tell them this story.

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msucub

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I forget to mention that our probation WAS NOT one of the worst 7 in the article...
 

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POST OF THE YEAR!

Thanks for this. Even though I am currently walking the fence on CC it is time for him to be held accountable. NO MORE EXCUSES!
 

Coach34

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and through emails all over the country to people....the myth of the "impossible situation" was just shot to hell right there
 

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It's comical when people act like we were SMU circa 1989 when Croom took over. The lighter penalties barely made a dent in our potential to win. The 2 or 3 year NCAA speculation in Jackie's last few seasons hurt us, but once Croom took over, that didn't matter anymore. It was his program, not Jackie's.

And when you consider that we didn't even use all of our available recruiting visits one year (2004 or 2005?), does it really matter if you have a few visits taken away from you?
 

msucub

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I hate to bump my own post, but I really think it's going unnoticed, and it speaks volumes.
 

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either left or were kicked off of the team before the first game Croom coached. Seventeen, thats a lot, but it adds to the situation.

Now, in almost five years Coach Croom has has time to overcome the obstacles. Actually there is no viable excuse for our continuing lack of offense