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KnightLife1994

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we have 0 offense. See below:

We have scored over 70 points 4 times against Power Conference teams (including seton hall in this) over 18 games

We are 16-1 when we hold teams under 65

We are 0-9 when we allow teams to score over 65

In todays modern college basketball you have to score over 70 to win games as seen above. We dont have any offense - the numbers dont lie.

209th in the country in PPG, 249th in FG%, 287th in 3 pt %,

We must find a way to get something going on offense. Now is the point in the season when we need someone to step up. Paul, Mcconnell, Cliff need to dislodge their heads from their a****s and lead this damn team because we cant rely singularly on our defense.
 
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Bruh… seriously I’ve been posting this logic on numerous threads. Scoring wins today. Not necessary to have “great” defense, that is over rated. You can’t expect to always have to hold good teams down to your offensive level every night in order to win and achieve long term success. It takes a toll. Thankfully help is on the way. As for this season… just get to the dance. Goal achieved
 
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RUby RED

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Bruh… seriously I’ve been posting this logic on numerous threads. Scoring wins today. Not necessary to have “great” defense, that is over rated. You can’t expect to always have to hold good teams down to your offensive level every night in order to win and achieve long term success. It takes a toll. Thankfully help is on the way. As for this season… just get to the dance. Goal achieved
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Disagree that great defense is overrated. Virginia, Houston, etc. have built successful programs off that model. It’s just that you need to pair that D with competent (not world-beating) offensive production — not unreasonable to think that as a power 6 team we should be able to achieve this. Yet season after season we fall into the category of a below average offense. At this point unclear to me if that’s a Pike-specific coaching issue or more so a talent / roster construction problem. TBD I suppose as we reel in higher ranked classes
 
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KnightLife1994 said:
we have 0 offense. See below:

We have scored over 70 points 4 times against Power Conference teams (including seton hall in this) over 18 games

We are 16-1 when we hold teams under 65

We are 0-9 when we allow teams to score over 65

In todays modern college basketball you have to score over 70 to win games as seen above. We dont have any offense - the numbers dont lie.

209th in the country in PPG, 249th in FG%, 287th in 3 pt %,

We must find a way to get something going on offense. Now is the point in the season when we need someone to step up. Paul, Mcconnell, Cliff need to dislodge their heads from their a****s and lead this damn team because we cant rely singularly on our defense.
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Dont bother, they dont wanna hear it and will call you an idiot for pointing it out. Ive been saying it for years here that in modern basketball scoring is more important than defense (defense is still important though). No one wants to hear it though. Then RU will win one big game and theyll bump years old threads of you saying it haha
 
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fluoxetine

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kyk1827 said:
Dont bother, they dont wanna hear it and will call you an idiot for pointing it out. Ive been saying it for years here that in modern basketball scoring is more important than defense (defense is still important though). No one wants to hear it though. Then RU will win one big game and theyll bump years old threads of you saying it haha
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Because, and I cannot stress this enough, points scored - points allowed is the function that determines whether you win a game. That function relies equally on offense and defense.
 
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GORU2014

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RUby RED said:
Disagree that great defense is overrated. Virginia, Houston, etc. have built successful programs off that model. It’s just that you need to pair that D with competent (not world-beating) offensive production — not unreasonable to think that as a power 6 team we should be able to achieve this. Yet season after season we fall into the category of a below average offense. At this point unclear to me if that’s a Pike-specific coaching issue or more so a talent / roster construction problem. TBD I suppose as we reel in higher ranked classes
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Pretty much. Our problem isn’t that we have the 3rd most efficient defense, it’s that we have the 132nd most efficient offense. If we were even top 50 we’d be right around Tennessee.
 
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RutgersNo1

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kyk1827 said:
Dont bother, they dont wanna hear it and will call you an idiot for pointing it out. Ive been saying it for years here that in modern basketball scoring is more important than defense (defense is still important though). No one wants to hear it though. Then RU will win one big game and theyll bump years old threads of you saying it haha
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And those Pikeeez will bump the years old “Pike can’t recruit” thread when we get a 5-star but never mention how horrible the last two classes are.
 
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DHajekRC84

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KnightLife1994 said:
we have 0 offense. See below:

We have scored over 70 points 4 times against Power Conference teams (including seton hall in this) over 18 games

We are 16-1 when we hold teams under 65

We are 0-9 when we allow teams to score over 65

In todays modern college basketball you have to score over 70 to win games as seen above. We dont have any offense - the numbers dont lie.

209th in the country in PPG, 249th in FG%, 287th in 3 pt %,

We must find a way to get something going on offense. Now is the point in the season when we need someone to step up. Paul, Mcconnell, Cliff need to dislodge their heads from their a****s and lead this damn team because we cant rely singularly on our defense.
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you do realize we scored 72 points last night shooting 46% (53%) from 2 and lost?
Jacking 23 three's and not getting to the line and then shooting 57% from three (8/14) while missing a bunch of front ends didn't help.
BUT It was 100% the defense last night.
 
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DennisHajekRC84 said:
you do realize we scored 72 points last night shooting 46% (53%) from 2 and lost?
Jacking 23 three's and not getting to the line and then shooting 57% from three (8/14) while missing a bunch of front ends didn't help.
BUT It was 100% the defense last night.
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Getting over 70 when your down 10-12 pts consistently with a minute and a half left isnt exactly an accomplishment
 
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RutgersNo1 said:
And those Pikeeez will bump the years old “Pike can’t recruit” thread when we get a 5-star but never mention how horrible the last two classes are.
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Had to get wins first. Trajectory is on right track.
 
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KnightLife1994

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Are you telling me we scored fewer points in losses than wins!?!

****ing groundbreaking stuff here.
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We gave up more than 65 in all of those games and lost. If we have to score over 65-70 points to win games we will lose as we are 0-9.

Critical thinking skills, gentlemen, critical thinking skills!
 
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KnightLife1994 said:
we have 0 offense. See below:

We have scored over 70 points 4 times against Power Conference teams (including seton hall in this) over 18 games

We are 16-1 when we hold teams under 65

We are 0-9 when we allow teams to score over 65

In todays modern college basketball you have to score over 70 to win games as seen above. We dont have any offense - the numbers dont lie.

209th in the country in PPG, 249th in FG%, 287th in 3 pt %,

We must find a way to get something going on offense. Now is the point in the season when we need someone to step up. Paul, Mcconnell, Cliff need to dislodge their heads from their a****s and lead this damn team because we cant rely singularly on our defense.
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Add Cam to the list of players that need to step up.
 
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fluoxetine

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KnightLife1994 said:
We gave up more than 65 in all of those games and lost. If we have to score over 65-70 points to win games we will lose as we are 0-9.

Critical thinking skills, gentlemen, critical thinking skills!
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We gave up more points in the games we lost!! This qualifies as “critical thinking” and thread worthy stuff to you lol.
 
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Well considering the type of recruiting that has committed and has potential to commit, I’d say Pike and staff are addressing this. Or at least trying to.
 
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RutgersNo1

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kyk1827 said:
Dont bother, they dont wanna hear it and will call you an idiot for pointing it out. Ive been saying it for years here that in modern basketball scoring is more important than defense (defense is still important though). No one wants to hear it though. Then RU will win one big game and theyll bump years old threads of you saying it haha
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Always like Kyk’s takes except the JY one. I am not a fan of Pike’s philosophy and wasn’t a fan of Pike’s recruiting. The admin is not being smart to extend Pike’s contract in the middle of the season. Guy hasn’t break the Kyk ceiling yet, and we are giving him bags just because of a few conference wins and two 5-star recruits?
 
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ImBadRU

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D is always important especially when you can't make a basket possession after possession. We have an amazing infusion of talent coming that will make all the difference in the world in what we will look like as a team. Teams of 4 and 5 stars are a lot different because of skill and ability that pre exists matriculation. There are a number of guys on this team who are not big10 players and that is on Pike. Development of some players, most notably Cliff, has not been there and that is on Pike. But, he is recruiting better and that is what this largely comes down to over the long haul. I'm sure he hoped these 2/3 star guys would develop like Mag did, but these other guys Miller Reiber Oscar...not happening. I think Simpson and Wolf have and will develop a lot more.
 
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OP says we are 16-1 in games we hold opponents under 65 and in the same post says you can't win if you don't score over 70 🤣

This, after a game where we scored over 70 and lost

Then doesn't realize why he's being laughed at... yes the offense could be better, but you are disproving defense not being the key to winning in your own post
 
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Scangg said:
OP says we are 16-1 in games we hold opponents under 65 and in the same post says you can't win if you don't score over 70 🤣

This, after a game where we scored over 70 and lost

Then doesn't realize why he's being laughed at... yes the offense could be better, but you are disproving defense not being the key to winning in your own post
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It’s easy to be an arcmchair coach and talk in circles than to be a real big ten coach. The only fact to win is your defense must hold your opponent to 1 less point than you score. In high school games without a shot clock, there have been teams that play keep away and win 2-0.

So no matter what anyone says it’s really finding the right balance.

With Rutgers, my opinion is we need a bit more scoring, specifically an outside shooter or two along with a player or two who can consistently drive to rim and score.
 
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