I like Thousands of other Uk football die hard fans, Just want UK Football to become a winning program. If there was no complaining, It would show to me, most did not really care. I sure do care. It is only human nature to complain when something U care a lot about is in shambles. It will get better.
The Reason we gripe & Complain
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There is one constant with UK football. The fans. I have been going since the 1950's. Regardless of how bad the teams were, we idiots just hung in there. A few decent teams thrown in here and there was about all we got. But now with the SEC TV network monies. The 180 million dollars investment in the program I think old guys like me are saying why are we not better or at least competitive. One issue is our AD. I have no faith in him making a "big" hire. I love UK football fans. They are the most loyal of all fans. They have been through hell and back and asked to take more. Its time we had a competitive program.
But if you really want it to succeed you're going to have to support it through the tough times. Everyone wants to change, change QB's (didn't work), change coaches (hasn't worked out well in the past, with the exception of Brooks' rise to mediocrity - which I agree would be better than what it is now), change AD's (we've had the same results with multiple AD's).
The bottom line is complaining doesn't show passion, it just shows frustration. If people really want long term change for the program then you're going to have to give someone time to build it from the bottom up. No quick fixes (Mumme) they don't last. Brooks had the right idea and it took him four years to get out of the bottom. His problem was age and the fact that he never believed UK could compete for SEC caliber players, so he topped out. We have a guy that believes in the possiblities of the program, a guy that recruits, a guy that has taken us from 2 wins to 5 wins in 3 seasons. Yes, the rise is slower than we'd like, but it's still there. None of us have any idea if Stoops is going to be the guy or not, but if you really want change then you're going to have to give someone the time to make it happen and he shows as much promise as anyone else has in 3 years at UK.
The bottom line is complaining doesn't show passion, it just shows frustration. If people really want long term change for the program then you're going to have to give someone time to build it from the bottom up. No quick fixes (Mumme) they don't last. Brooks had the right idea and it took him four years to get out of the bottom. His problem was age and the fact that he never believed UK could compete for SEC caliber players, so he topped out. We have a guy that believes in the possiblities of the program, a guy that recruits, a guy that has taken us from 2 wins to 5 wins in 3 seasons. Yes, the rise is slower than we'd like, but it's still there. None of us have any idea if Stoops is going to be the guy or not, but if you really want change then you're going to have to give someone the time to make it happen and he shows as much promise as anyone else has in 3 years at UK.
I believe that most of us just want UK football to be competitive and to look good when playing other teams. It's the humiliating blowouts, inexplicable play calling, and goof ups on the fundamentals that get the fans upset.
Most of us are realistic about how tuff the SEC is and how hard it is to advance up the leader board, but let's at least be competitive, show some fight, and make a good game of it, win or lose.
What?
Most of us are realistic about how tuff the SEC is and how hard it is to advance up the leader board, but let's at least be competitive, show some fight, and make a good game of it, win or lose.
What?
Expectations create accountability or at least it should. I have no problem with people wanting UK to compete in the SEC and expect at least 7 wins a year beating the OOC, the bottom dwellers of the SEC and beating UL on a fairly consistent basis.
there is more than just the 'big hire' required of the AD. a winning program, esp in this conference, requires all-in efforts by the admin. raising funds, creating support mechanisms, developing a winning culture - you cannot lay these at the feet of the HC, especially one going thru on the job training. we could not have a bigger dud leading this.
The salient fact is that Brooks DIDN'T have us competitive in the first three years. And like it or not, Stoops took over a similar program.
Everyone wants the big hire,folks it is not happening.The Sabans or Meyers or other big names aren't coming here,if they do it is at the tail end of their career or with more baggage than we can stand.Stoops was a good idea,it may still work out,but there are enough questions at this point to raise doubt
If a change becomes necessary in the next 2 years then we could look at a Lincoln Riley or Jeff Brohm.I believe that if UK football is to get above doormat status in the SEC then a young upcoming coach is how it would get done.Someone with the drive and personality that is looking to make a name for himself.
If a change becomes necessary in the next 2 years then we could look at a Lincoln Riley or Jeff Brohm.I believe that if UK football is to get above doormat status in the SEC then a young upcoming coach is how it would get done.Someone with the drive and personality that is looking to make a name for himself.
Brooks
03 4-8 (1-7)
04 2-9 (1-7)
05 3-8 (2-6)
Then he picked up the pace, largely aided by the Kragthorp ear at UofL
Stoops
2-10(0-8)
5-7 (2-6)
5-7 (2-6)
Not a lot of difference. And don't give me margin of victory, it's irrelevant. People wanted Brooks fired (myself included) and people want Stoops fired. It's because of the record.
03 4-8 (1-7)
04 2-9 (1-7)
05 3-8 (2-6)
Then he picked up the pace, largely aided by the Kragthorp ear at UofL
Stoops
2-10(0-8)
5-7 (2-6)
5-7 (2-6)
Not a lot of difference. And don't give me margin of victory, it's irrelevant. People wanted Brooks fired (myself included) and people want Stoops fired. It's because of the record.
Fans get tired of being told to support a program that has zero consistent commitment to football. A truly committed program shouldn't have to rebuild as often as this one has. We're not going through 'tough times.' We're the LAUGHINGSTOCK of the entire conference. If smaller changes aren't working, then it's time to make drastic changes. Mitch needs to go.
Rich Brooks took over a 7-5 team with a senior 4 year starting record setting quarterback. Stoops took over a 2-10 team and his best choices at QB were Jalen Whitlow or Max Smith.
And I get the call for patience with Stoops, and I'm not one demanding him fired immediately. But things disturb me in looking back to the past 3 years that shake the confidence I have for the future. Hiring inexperienced first time coordinators. Burning redshirts of kids who then play little if at all (K. Daniels & Josh Allen this season). A divided turmoil filled locker room seemingly fine with quitting the 2nd half of the 3rd year, blowing a couple of winnable games, failing to show up and compete for a couple of others. Transfers of HIS guys he recruited happening before & during year 3.
Not sure what I want from Stoops at the moment, might be fine with him not saying a damn thing to the press or fans and just going to work maintaining the '16 class & setting up the '17 class and fixing issues on his coaching staff. Actions will speak and mean more than empty "work harder" blather.
We've tried it both ways multiple times in the last 60 years,neither has worked yet.Given the current situation at UK I still believe this route has the best chance to work. The reality is that neither have more than a 25% chance of success here.
One thing we haven't tried is the Jim Tressel hire. The proven, experienced winner with a little baggage.
Sup Frost! Good post! We may not say the right things at the right time but for the most part we say what we say because we care about the University of Kentucky sports programs. If not for the fans, why would there be a reason to have a foortball program? So yes, good post...
A name I hadn't thought of, but yes he would be someone to consider if we are in the market in a couple of years