The redshirt rule passed

MSUDC11

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Guys can now play in up to four games without burning their redshirt.

Also, schools can no longer restrict transfers.

Big changes in college football starting this season.
 
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It would be nice if we can redshirt KT this year under these new rules. Gotta think it might be possible to only use him in 4 games.
 

Shmuley

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Mar 6, 2008
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Can they go ahead and adopt the rule that will be necessitated by Saban’s exploitation of this new rule? You know, sort of get out in front for a change?
 

QuaoarsKing

All-Conference
Mar 11, 2008
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Time to do away with redshirting and just let players be eligible for 5 years. The average college student takes 5 years to graduate anyway.
 

Go Budaw

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Aug 22, 2012
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It would be nice if we can redshirt KT this year under these new rules. Gotta think it might be possible to only use him in 4 games.

Wonder if Bama would also consider redshirting Tua this year (hold him out for all games except Iron Bowl, LSU, MSU, and maybe their kickoff classic game)? Hurts is easily capable of winning all tne rest of them, and would probably win enough of the others for them to make the CFP if he had to.
 

HumpDawgy

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Apr 6, 2010
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I would agree with the first 4 games of the season, but not if the guy plays deep into the season and in a bowl game. At that time, the player is obviously a factor in the season and playing in important games. I do like the non-restriction on transfers (17 u Saban and Ole Missy).
 

Go Budaw

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Aug 22, 2012
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I think it’s ANY 4 games.

Does that include postseason? Basically a team could hold a guy out until rivalry week, conference championship week, and the two playoff games and still not count against his eligibility. That’s pretty crazy if allowed.
 

RocketDawg

All-Conference
Oct 21, 2011
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Me either, but I also don't think it should be changed. Why should a kid get to play almost half the season, then not have that count against his eligibility?

Do they vacate wins he participates in? **
 

aTotal360

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Nov 12, 2009
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Someone on the radio wanted to know if Saban would cry if the draft was during bowl week like the MLB draft is.
 

o_dawgnabit

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Oct 13, 2016
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New redshirt rule opens up tremendous RAT opportunities, IMO.

^This. Imagine being a coach and having to scout now and you have a no idea if a player will play or not. I think it should be first 4. If you have a player who is difference maker, you can just play him in the biggest four games of the season. And then he gets 4 more years on top of it. Basically making a 5 year impact
 

thf24

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Jan 28, 2011
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Time to do away with redshirting and just let players be eligible for 5 years. The average college student takes 5 years to graduate anyway.

I’d say this is likely a stepping stone to that, whether that’s the intention at present or not.
 

RocketDawg

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Oct 21, 2011
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Used to be 3 years. Freshmens had to play on the freshmens team.

Does the average student really take 5 years to graduate? Why? Only have to take 128 hours.
 

art_vandalay

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Used to be 3 years. Freshmens had to play on the freshmens team.

Does the average student really take 5 years to graduate? Why? Only have to take 128 hours.


I cannot speak for other universities, but I found that with my child (a recent graduate), MSU manipulates the system such that a student is unlikely to finish in 4 years unless the student also goes to summer school. Bottom line, MSU games the system to make sure students spend more money and/or time at the university. Whether intentionally or not, here is how it happens.

In the old days (before Y2K), there was not a comprehensive, electronic registration system. Therefore, pre-requisites were not strictly enforced, so if a particular class needed by a student was full in a given semester, the student could register for a different required class (even though the student may not have the pre-requisite). Nowadays, pre-requisites are strictly enforced by the software. The university frequently has required classes scheduled such that they overlap one another. Even though taking 16 hours per semester should get you out in 4 years without summer school, the required classes overlap enough or there are too few sections and all are full. This means a student must take hours that will not help toward graduation in order to maintain full time student status OR the student must drop back to part time.

As an example, suppose a first semester Sophomore student needs to take CC 2133 which is a prerequisite for 3 other classes. Each of those 3 classes is a prerequisite for another class. Suppose further that all sections of CC 2133 are full in the fall and CC 2133 is not taught in the spring. The student is then in quite a bind because he/she cannot move forward until he/she takes the CC2133 class. This has a ripple effect and delays the student's opportunity to schedule required classes. This type example happened to my child several times resulting in my child having to attend two summer school semesters plus an additional fall and spring semester. Because the university did not properly schedule classes and had strict prerequisites, my child's education cost about $10,000 more than it should have.