The refs ******* suck. Pure trash
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I really hate to blame refs, since NU had multiple opportunities to get more points... but the kind of blatant bs, especially at the end of games, is getting too hard to ignore.
Not sure what can be done except to win convincingly so refs don't have the chance to sway the outcome.
Not sure what can be done except to win convincingly so refs don't have the chance to sway the outcome.
Not having watched the game (see my previous posts about Cats blowing it every time I watch live), the free throw disparity was what jumped out at me the most.
Looks suspicious. However I wonder if some of it is playing style, not drawing as many fouls because we take outside shots and don’t drive to the basket as much?
Also - when we did get to the line we were 3/8. Should have been at least 6/8.
Furthermore they were above average in 3s and we were just average to slightly below. Swap one missed 3 for them and one made 3 for us and that’s the margin.
Looks suspicious. However I wonder if some of it is playing style, not drawing as many fouls because we take outside shots and don’t drive to the basket as much?
Also - when we did get to the line we were 3/8. Should have been at least 6/8.
Furthermore they were above average in 3s and we were just average to slightly below. Swap one missed 3 for them and one made 3 for us and that’s the margin.
Been stewing on this. I think my problem is that this isn’t about missed calls, or no calls, or even rough calls (MN’s clean block, for instance) but multiple times in late-game scenarios when the game is close it seems like the refs are LOOKING for an excuse to blow the whistle on NU.
That more than anything else seems nefarious.
That more than anything else seems nefarious.
They had two unbelievable 3 pointers One was at the buzzer end of half from half court and another at the end of a shot clock where the Wisconsin player was so out of position and out of control...
As far as the FTs, WIS was taking it inside but we were as well. Points in paint pretty similar. Just seemed that the fouls always had them shooting FTs and us not even till second half. Some phantom calls.
Young missed about 5 of the 6 FTs he shot. The only one he hit was because he got an extra when a WIS player was in the lane too soon. So at least 4 of the FT misses were on him. Otherwise he had a solid game.
Sadly tonight young getting to the line wasn’t helping matters- he missed 4 or 5?
The worst call all night was when Audige stripped Davis late and they called a foul. Davis ended up missing both but it sucked because Audige would have had a dunk and the NU portion of the crowd would have gone nuts.
BIggest take away from this game is that Wisconsin isn‘t close to being a top 10 team.
BIggest take away from this game is that Wisconsin isn‘t close to being a top 10 team.
I’d say your wrong. We can literally play with anyone and that is a good Wisconsin squad.
Agreed Lunker, that is a great Wisconsin team and they had to have a lot of things go their way to beat us tonight.
Bingo! At least one foul on Nicholson was on reputation and perhaps even both of them. Only saw one angle on MN's first foul, but it sure looked like he tipped the ball before it hit the Wisconsin kid's hand. The second foul was irrefutably atrocious, and in my opinion, was the turning point of the game. Not only would that have established Nicholson as an inside force, but it also would have given Young a few more minutes of rest, which he most probably could have used. They probably couldn't see the play clearly and gave the benefit of the doubt to the perceived better player on the perceived better team.
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It was a solid effort by the Cats, but wasn't Wisconsin up ten with just over a minute to go in the game?
The thing that went Wisconsin's way that decided the game was that they shot 52% from the field and 53% from three-point range. It's a tribute to how hard the guys played and how they didn't give up that it was as close as it was.
That most certainly was one of them, and it seemed to me that a lot of those 3 pt shots were pretty well defended.
Maybe. But teams that give up 52% overall shooting against coupled with 53% three-point shooting against don't win a lot of games. People want to keep looking to outside factors for losses when the Cats have to focus on their controllables and do a better job on those.
This is what I noticed but I never watch post games. They **** on the refs in the post game
Why is it every time NU wins a game or plays a higher ranked team close , we get refrains of that team isn’t that good?
You could tell early on that Wisky would be in the bonus early in the second. Ticky tac fouls early put NU in a bad spot. Seems like these guys had a pre-game plan. Boo and Chase are wild so let’s be sure it REALLY is a foul before we bail them out. MN is a foul machine 4 in 13 minutes, let’s be sure to ring him up. Davison is saves veteran he’ll draw contact. Almost predetermined!
BTW, Brad Davison is the biggest punk since Grayson Allen.
BTW, Brad Davison is the biggest punk since Grayson Allen.
Northwestern -18 FT attempts at home vs Wisconsin
Illinois -17 FT attempts at home vs Purdue
not sure what the state of Illinois did to piss off B1G refs but whatever it was they weren’t subtle about it.Roper played well. He is coming on.
Berry did not. Simmons just can't handle the physicality yet.
Nicholson will get targeted by plenty of refs, but his presence around the basket is undeniable.
Nance and Young have not worked out an effective dynamic on the offensive end, but we do well defensively when they are out there together.
Note to Steven Crowl, Wisconsin's center... You may be able to dunk over Beran, but you are going to eat it against Nicholson.
Berry did not. Simmons just can't handle the physicality yet.
Nicholson will get targeted by plenty of refs, but his presence around the basket is undeniable.
Nance and Young have not worked out an effective dynamic on the offensive end, but we do well defensively when they are out there together.
Note to Steven Crowl, Wisconsin's center... You may be able to dunk over Beran, but you are going to eat it against Nicholson.
I was at the game. I go to basketball games about once or twice a year. So let's just say I'm a very casual basketball fan. There are two things that infuriated me about the Audige call. One, I hate - absolutely hate - when a good play is taken away by a bad call; it drives me insane. Two, the call prevented a good game from perhaps being a great game.
When they are done shitting, I will have my turn. I am on my fourth cup of joe this morning, and am getting primed. Where do I find those refs?
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I was in your camp until I saw them put on a defensive clinic and beat Purdue at West Lafayette. I'd say Johnny Davis is Player-of-the-year so far in the Big Ten. That's what a difference maker he has been. Not an impressive group athletically, but they really play well together (Loyola anyone!).
Including a 40 footer by them at end of half.
We aren't going to get the calls this year. Until we win a couple more we will be on the short end.
Don't forget all the foul calls that repeatedly sent them to the line. 26 fta to 8 fta and we wer outscored from the line by 14. NU took 51 shots from inside the arc to 37 for WIS. We scored more from the field and they scored enough more from the line to win
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He actually missed 5 but he got a do over on one of them and that is the one he made so it only counted as 4 misses
When I played tennis, I would play good players close but lose, and I would play bad players close but lose.
While I agree that the Audige call and failure to whistle steps in the last minute were terrible calls (as was the foul on the Nicholson block), I think the complaint of the 26/8 FTA is pretty misguided. From my comfy chair in California, I thought the refs pretty much let the players play. The two teams were even if fouls whistled in the first half; the final count was 18-13. It did look to me like the Cats came out in the first five minutes of the second half tentative or out of focus on defense and did a lot of grabbing, leading to about five quick (and very justified) foul calls. The snapped out of it around the media time out. The quick run to bonus gave Wisconsin 7 bonus opportunities in the second half. Throw in the stupid early 3 shot foul in the first half, and you pretty much have it.
I am not saying the refs did a good job, just that for the whole first half and from the 15:00 mark to a minute in the second half, the way they called fouls was pretty even. In the first 5 minutes of the second half, the Cats deserved their fouls.
To be fair, they were something like 7 of 9 from three in first half (and got fouled on one of their misses) including the one at the buzzer that changed the complexion of the game. They were 2 of 8 for second half but made up for it with a ton of FTs