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SoCo

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atlkvb said:
I'm just having a hard time following the ultimate logic of the argument? Since people kill people (using guns or Fentanyl or whatever) is SoCo saying it makes no sense to blame those things? Or is he saying since it's people doing the killing using those things, why not just limit or restrict the use of those things so they won't/can't use them to kill folks?

Either way, people are the "X" factor in the argument, and unless you change their behavior against killing, it doesn't matter if you take away the guns or Fentanyl. They'll still kill each other, they'll just use something else!
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Exactly. Don't ***** about banning an inamiaite obejcet becaue people caused said object to kill, then tell me people kill people, not the object.

IDAF about firearm regulations. It's too late (the NRA preveted any real soultion decades ago), but STFU with the studpid logic is all I'm saying.

No one is coming to take your guns. And after the next 200 school shotings, no one will be coming to take your guns either.
 
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SoCo said:
Exactly. Don't ***** about banning an inamiaite obejcet becaue people caused said object to kill, then tell me people kill people, not the object.

IDAF about firearm regulations. It's too late (the NRA preveted any real soultion decades ago), but STFU with the studpid logic is all I'm saying.

No one is coming to take your guns. And after the next 200 school shotings, no one will be coming to take your guns either.
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It amazes me how folks want to attack the crime but not the symptom. Evil people will kill using anything they can get their hands on to kill with. It's not about guns, or Fentanyl, it's about sick evil people!

How do you stop folks from being sick & Evil? Most folks don't want to even think about the solution, much less try it.
 
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atlkvb said:
It amazes me how folks want to attack the crime but not the symptom. Evil people will kill using anything they can get their hands on to kill with. It's not about guns, or Fentanyl, it's about sick evil people!

How do you stop folks from being sick & Evil? Most folks don't want to even think about the solution, much less try it.
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Nope. The vast majority of the people in prison are netiher sick, nor evil. You are blaming the boogeyman.
 
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Nope. The vast majority of the people in prison are netiher sick, nor evil. You are blaming the boogeyman.
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Most folks in jail are either accused of or have been found guilty of breaking the Law. Are some innocent? Maybe, probably? However I'm not about to believe the vast majority of them are innocent, did nothing, or weren't in some way shape or form involved in something Evil or not good.

evil: [adjective] morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked. arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
 
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Another thing that can kill a person is a rock.

Remember: A rock in the hand of a bad guy killed Abel. A rock in the hand of a good guy killed Goliath.

Do you really think anyone back then blamed the rocks and wanted to ban them?

The people in this country just keep getting more and more stupid.
 
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SoCo said:
Nope. The vast majority of the people in prison are netiher sick, nor evil. You are blaming the boogeyman.
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Neither are they just "misunderstood" nor "really good people at heart".

They are in there because of their choices. Our actions are what defines us, not our thoughts. Their choices led to bad consequences.

That's the mistake you and others are ultimately making. It's easier to shift the blame away from the person to some object, be it a gun, knife, car, or whatever, than it is to put the blame on the person themself.

An analogy - I own a vintage Corvette. Suppose I take it out tomorrow morning, open her up, and about the time I hit 120 I slam her into the back of a school bus loaded with kids.

Now, who is to blame here?

Under your logic it's the Vette and not me. If only they'd never been able to produce Corvettes, those children would have lived. If only Chevrolet could have produced Chevettes, yes, I still might have killed some kids, but not near as many. So, clearly, the only possible answer is to ban the Corvette for everyone.

That's silly, of course. But the same logic applies for guns as it does for cars. An "assault rifle" is just like a Corvette. In the hands of someone with sense, they are a joy to play with or a tool to use. In the hands of an idiot, they are a weapon of mass destruction.
 
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atlkvb said:
Most folks in jail are either accused of or have been found guilty of breaking the Law. Are some innocent? Maybe, probably? However I'm not about to believe the vast majority of them are innocent, did nothing, or weren't in some way shape or form involved in something Evil or not good.

evil: [adjective] morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked. arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
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no one said anything about innocent. your position is so weak you have to invent arguments
 
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SoCo said:
no one said anything about innocent. your position is so weak you have to invent arguments
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What are you talking about? I said folks in jail are sick or evil. YOU said they're not:
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Nope. The vast majority of the people in prison are netiher sick, nor evil.
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Sick meaning not of healthy mind or Spirit. Evil meaning lacking morality or even knowledge of good, but most definitely not imbued with Godly Spiritual character. You can subscribe to them whatever motivations or proclivities you choose, I'm satisfied that sick Evil people in jail convicted of violating the Law are right where they belong.
 
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spartansstink said:
Neither are they just "misunderstood" nor "really good people at heart".

They are in there because of their choices. Our actions are what defines us, not our thoughts. Their choices led to bad consequences.
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I completely agree.

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That's the mistake you and others are ultimately making. It's easier to shift the blame away from the person to some object, be it a gun, knife, car, or whatever, than it is to put the blame on the person themself.

An analogy - I own a vintage Corvette. Suppose I take it out tomorrow morning, open her up, and about the time I hit 120 I slam her into the back of a school bus loaded with kids.

Now, who is to blame here?

Under your logic it's the Vette and not me. If only they'd never been able to produce Corvettes, those children would have lived. If only Chevrolet could have produced Chevettes, yes, I still might have killed some kids, but not near as many. So, clearly, the only possible answer is to ban the Corvette for everyone.

That's silly, of course. But the same logic applies for guns as it does for cars. An "assault rifle" is just like a Corvette. In the hands of someone with sense, they are a joy to play with or a tool to use. In the hands of an idiot, they are a weapon of mass destruction.
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Nope. When the same tool is repeatedly used in crimes across the country, there is a problem. When our law enforcement officials are outgunned on the streets, there is a problem.

When corvettes are used for nefarious purposes as frequently as firearms, that discussion will be had but I am not holding my breath. There is a reason firearms, not corvettes, are the weapon of choice for criminals. Using a firearm is so easy a 6 year old can do it. Literally.
 
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atlkvb said:
What are you talking about? I said folks in jail are sick or evil. YOU said they're not:

Sick meaning not of healthy mind or Spirit. Evil meaning lacking morality or even knowledge of good, but most definitely not imbued with Godly Spiritual character. You can subscribe to them whatever motivations or proclivities you choose, I'm satisfied that sick Evil people in jail convicted of violating the Law are right where they belong.
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I'm not interested in semantics.
 
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SoCo said:
There is a reason firearms, not corvettes, are the weapon of choice for criminals. Using a firearm is so easy a 6 year old can do it. Literally.
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I'm tired of listening to blah, blah, blah.

Get your amendment passed and ratified to change #2A. Good luck. Until then, whining about #2A isn't going to do a thing.

 
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I'm tired of listening to blah, blah, blah.

Get your amendment passed and ratified to change #2A. Good luck. Until then, whining about #2A isn't going to do a thing.

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Agreed. It isn't going to change. That's why I can't understand the stupid logic you and the gun lobby keep spewing to justify the Amendment. There is no need and all you are doing is making yourselves look foolish.

But as long as you are spewing your stupid ****, I will be here to laugh at you.
 
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SoCo said:
Agreed. It isn't going to change. That's why I can't understand the stupid logic you and the gun lobby keep spewing to justify the Amendment. There is no need and all you are doing is making yourselves look foolish.

But as long as you are spewing your stupid ****, I will be here to laugh at you.
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Take your angst to Biden admin then, who says they're going to go door to door to take ARs.
 
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TarHeelEer said:
I disagree. Fentanyl is deadly. Guns are immorally deadly in sick and evil people's hands. Guns also have many positive aspects that Fentanyl can never acquire.
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Both are deadly when used improperly.

I know fentanyl is used as part of an anesthetic cocktail in surgeries so used medically it has a purpose. When I had surgery I was apparently given a dose.

It was on the bill breakdown when I looked at the itemized breakdown of costs. Of all the drugs I was given during the 2 days on that bill the dose of Fentanyl was $1.75. It was by far the cheapest drug I was administered.

Baby drops for stomach gas were $6.00 and that was basically an OTC drug that I asked the nurses for.
 
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SoCo said:
I'm not interested in semantics.
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Evil is not "semantics". It's what we see playing out when evil people randomly slaughter other innocent people using.....

...wait for it.... GUNS!!!!!!!
 
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SoCo said:
That's why I can't understand the stupid logic you and the gun lobby keep spewing to justify the Amendment. There is no need and all you are doing is making yourselves look foolish.
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Says the one comparing Fentanyl to firearms. 😏
 
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Why does government want to ban ARs more than they do handguns?

Handguns kill FAR more people than ARs and it's not even close.

Government wants to ban ARs because ARs are what government fears most.

Government doesn't give two sh!ts about people dying or it would spend more time closing our borders, stopping the Fentanyl crisis and banning handguns.

Open borders, Fentanyl and handguns EACH are killing far more Americans than ARs, let alone all three combined.

So you gun-controllers, try to explain that one.
 
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atlkvb said:
Evil is not "semantics". It's what we see playing out when evil people randomly slaughter other innocent people using.....

...wait for it.... GUNS!!!!!!!
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"Evil people", whatever the hell that means, have the same right to bear arms that you do.
 
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SoCo said:
Fentanyl doesn't kill people, people kill people.
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Agreed. And people are using Fentanyl to kill FAR more people than ARs.

And before making new laws, why not try enforcing existing gun laws before we claim the lack of laws is the problem?
 
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SoCo said:
"Evil people", whatever the hell that means, have the same right to bear arms that you do.
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Nope. Felons are not permitted, but they still break the laws and use them anyway.
 
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SoCo said:
"Evil people", whatever the hell that means, have the same right to bear arms that you do.
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Everyone has the right to bear arms. Evil people do NOT have the right to use them to kill innocent people. Now who's arguing "semantics"?
 
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If the New Democrat Party and CCP gets their way. Your son won't grow up to own a rifle, a gun, or set of balls. Stand up to them.


 
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SoCo said:
"Evil people", whatever the hell that means, have the same right to bear arms that you do.
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Yes. But the people killing with guns are the evil people and in most cases it is already illegal for them to buy and own guns because they forfeit their rights when the previously committed crimes.

I think the ignored group is the mentally ill segment. We have a mental health crisis. Some are suggesting that some of this is a prescription drug problem. Probably worth research at least.
 
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