the Sky is NOT Falling

[JonathanW2]

For all of the Chicken Littles out there, the sky is not falling!

Not excuses, but facts, facts that we need to overcome, even if it takes a few games. We are playing without out starting PG (again). We played UNC without our starting PF, and yes we got out-rebounded by 12; the PF fill-ins made 4-10 shots while he makes 62%, and we only lost by 1 basket. But we NEED to figure out the PG spot, which I think means JJ an Aberdeen playing outside their comfort zone some.
While never expected to be a factor in the first 1/3 of the season, we do have hope to strengthen our C spot the last 2/3 (or at least 1/2) of the season with JQ, which means Garrison can hopefully sit with Tow & Horn.

Now to look at the bigger picture. How many seasons has BBN (me included) been happy all season with our play, been happy with our season come Selection Sunday going into the NCAA-T? Over the past 50 years I would say 78, 84, 91, 92, 93, 96, 03, 04, 10, 12, 15, 17. That's it, only 12 seasons!!! Not even in 98 when we won the championship.

The ship can be steered back on course. Players can get healthy, other players can step-up, the coach can make adjustments. So don't give up on the team, on the coach, too early!!!

 

[UK4Life#9]

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

Good, I was worried there for a minute.

 

[JustBlue]

Pope is realizing he will not be able to win against good competition with the way he constructed this year's roster.

 

[TFCat11]

Lowe has not “started” a single game, nor has JQ! But everyone is still calling them starters

 

[TFCat11]

OP was posting similar troll material during the infamous 9-16 season

 

[Anony Moose]

Where have I seen these kinds of posts before?

 

[TheResistance]

 

[KyLegacyBBN]

1-7 last 8 ranked games with Pope….but guys it’s okay, rainbows and sunshine!

 

[JakeKx]

You right. It ain’t falling. That ***** done completely fell

 

[wildcat111]

For all of the Chicken Littles out there, the sky is not falling!

Not excuses, but facts, facts that we need to overcome, even if it takes a few games. We are playing without out starting PG (again). We played UNC without our starting PF, and yes we got out-rebounded by 12; the PF fill-ins made 4-10 shots while he makes 62%, and we only lost by 1 basket. But we NEED to figure out the PG spot, which I think means JJ an Aberdeen playing outside their comfort zone some.
While never expected to be a factor in the first 1/3 of the season, we do have hope to strengthen our C spot the last 2/3 (or at least 1/2) of the season with JQ, which means Garrison can hopefully sit with Tow & Horn.

Now to look at the bigger picture. How many seasons has BBN (me included) been happy all season with our play, been happy with our season come Selection Sunday going into the NCAA-T? Over the past 50 years I would say 78, 84, 91, 92, 93, 96, 03, 04, 10, 12, 15, 17. That's it, only 12 seasons!!! Not even in 98 when we won the championship.

The ship can be steered back on course. Players can get healthy, other players can step-up, the coach can make adjustments. So don't give up on the team, on the coach, too early!!!

Correction the sky already fell. Just keep pumping the sunshine and continuing life in fantasy land where we only play JV teams and beat the crap out of them.

 

[JonathanW2]

Correction the sky already fell. Just keep pumping the sunshine and continuing life in fantasy land where we only play JV teams and beat the crap out of them.

Oh, I put no (zero) value in the cupcake wins. Those are just practices vs a different jersey.

 

[JonathanW2]

Where have I seen these kinds of posts before?

Like I stated, we have also seen this level of panic in seasons like 1997, 1998, 2011, 2019

 

[Anony Moose]

Like I stated, we have also seen this level of panic in seasons like 1997, 1998, 2011, 2019

Can you provide some evidence of these?

 

[Goingfor9]

Like I stated, we have also seen this level of panic in seasons like 1997, 1998, 2011, 2019

That is absolutely wrong. And in all of those season we were coached by a hall of famer or a top caliber ncaa coach. I think there is more apathy than panic as you say. Uk fans are sick of being irrelevant when we have the greatest program in cbb history. It’s ok to say pope isn’t the right coach. There was wailing and anger the night pope was hired. It was a massive swell until Barney had that big deal in rupp to sell it. Uk fans didn’t like the hire. Popes resume in the ncaat was abysmal. People are realizing now Barney is a massive problem. He even went off on a dude about nil yesterday.

 

[Wunky]

It’s sad when the official radio voices of the program (Leach and Givens) are blaming injuries for the piss poor product we are seeing on the court. They were again making excuses this morning about Lowe being out.

I could have sworn it was Mark Pope’s job to have multiple point guards on the roster. He doesn’t. Plain and simple, he does not. He failed this offseason. Spent all summer talking about our depth, and you have ONE PG on the roster? It’s a joke, TBH. ESPECIALLY considering it happened last year as well. Pope didn’t learn, and it’s costing him and our program big time right now. About to be 0-4 against legit competition.

Tom leach has no balls. He’s always been a yes man for the University. Cawood would be calling BS on the injury excuses. But I expected more from Goose. The coach and his staff built a roster on sand.

 

[CatBearPig]

It will be after tomorrow night.

 

[kuhlkat]

Lowe has not “started” a single game, nor has JQ! But everyone is still calling them starters

We are missing 3 "projected" starters. That's a fact

 

[jedwar]

Like I stated, we have also seen this level of panic in seasons like 1997, 1998, 2011, 2019

I throw the challenge flag on the level of panic being anywhere close to those seasons.

 

[FLBBNFAN]

I supported the hire and think last year was successful for several reasons. I still want Pope to turn it around not only because he is one of our guys but I also want our program to do well.

You can support Pope and still critique him for legit items. Here's a few that I feel are legit:

1) No backup point guard. That is 100% negligent and on him.
2) Roster construction-his system requires shooters and we dont have many.
3) Substitution/Rotation- it is nonsense to do wholesale substitutions only 5 minutes into the game. This has been a bad pattern going back to last season.
4) Adjustments- where is the guy who adjusted for Flagg at the end of our game last year. Where is that brillance because we need it.
5) Poor effort in a number of games which is inexcusable.To make it worse Pope doesn't show any emotion at all during these instances and takes forever to call a timeout.

People who feel the same way are not being unfair or setting unrealistic expectations. We are just holding Pope accountable as the ceo of our team and we face the same expectations at our jobs or with clients.

 

[KyKevin]

That is absolutely wrong. And in all of those season we were coached by a hall of famer or a top caliber ncaa coach. I think there is more apathy than panic as you say. Uk fans are sick of being irrelevant when we have the greatest program in cbb history. It’s ok to say pope isn’t the right coach. There was wailing and anger the night pope was hired. It was a massive swell until Barney had that big deal in rupp to sell it. Uk fans didn’t like the hire. Popes resume in the ncaat was abysmal. People are realizing now Barney is a massive problem. He even went off on a dude about nil yesterday.

It's ok after he has had a fair chance to succeed, but will he get that, or a short term to fail for sure. His 1st year was far from failure, but that has been forgotten., it's an impatient world in sports, coach's get paid a s..t load, and results are expected now. People paying all that big money want results yesterday.

 

[CoffeeCat]

no hope for pope

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

 

[Guyute]

For all of the Chicken Littles out there, the sky is not falling!

Not excuses, but facts, facts that we need to overcome, even if it takes a few games. We are playing without out starting PG (again). We played UNC without our starting PF, and yes we got out-rebounded by 12; the PF fill-ins made 4-10 shots while he makes 62%, and we only lost by 1 basket. But we NEED to figure out the PG spot, which I think means JJ an Aberdeen playing outside their comfort zone some.
While never expected to be a factor in the first 1/3 of the season, we do have hope to strengthen our C spot the last 2/3 (or at least 1/2) of the season with JQ, which means Garrison can hopefully sit with Tow & Horn.

Now to look at the bigger picture. How many seasons has BBN (me included) been happy all season with our play, been happy with our season come Selection Sunday going into the NCAA-T? Over the past 50 years I would say 78, 84, 91, 92, 93, 96, 03, 04, 10, 12, 15, 17. That's it, only 12 seasons!!! Not even in 98 when we won the championship.

The ship can be steered back on course. Players can get healthy, other players can step-up, the coach can make adjustments. So don't give up on the team, on the coach, too early!!!

Not this guy again. Good grief.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

For all of the Chicken Littles out there, the sky is not falling!

Not excuses, but facts, facts that we need to overcome, even if it takes a few games. We are playing without out starting PG (again). We played UNC without our starting PF, and yes we got out-rebounded by 12; the PF fill-ins made 4-10 shots while he makes 62%, and we only lost by 1 basket. But we NEED to figure out the PG spot, which I think means JJ an Aberdeen playing outside their comfort zone some.
While never expected to be a factor in the first 1/3 of the season, we do have hope to strengthen our C spot the last 2/3 (or at least 1/2) of the season with JQ, which means Garrison can hopefully sit with Tow & Horn.

Now to look at the bigger picture. How many seasons has BBN (me included) been happy all season with our play, been happy with our season come Selection Sunday going into the NCAA-T? Over the past 50 years I would say 78, 84, 91, 92, 93, 96, 03, 04, 10, 12, 15, 17. That's it, only 12 seasons!!! Not even in 98 when we won the championship.

The ship can be steered back on course. Players can get healthy, other players can step-up, the coach can make adjustments. So don't give up on the team, on the coach, too early!!!

- 2017 we lost 3 of 4 starting in late January. I can imagine BBN losing its collective mind

- 2003 we lost in the preseason to Athletes in Action lol. Then, we turned around and lost to an Unranked Virginia team by 14. Then, later in the noncon we lost to an Unranked Louisville team by 18.

So, I can pretty safely say BBN wasn’t optimistic throughout those seasons either.

 

[cornbreadnmilk]

The coping on this board is unreal.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

The coping on this board is unreal.

You’re gonna talk about coping when you stated in another thread that rebounding literally only is related to effort? Have you ever acknowledged you are wrong about anything before? You exclusively have negative things to say and never acknowledge even tiny things that don’t conform to that. Coping isn’t noticing things are bad but can improve. Coping is failure to reflect the truth of the totality of the situation.

 

[cornbreadnmilk]

You’re gonna talk about coping when you stated in another thread that rebounding literally only is related to effort? Have you ever acknowledged you are wrong about anything before? You exclusively have negative things to say and never acknowledge even tiny things that don’t conform to that. Coping isn’t noticing things are bad but can improve. Coping is failure to reflect the truth of the totality of the situation.

I think you know what my point about rebounding was quite well. You seem to desire to defend Pope and the team at all costs and that is your choice and do you ever admit to being wrong? Your truth isn't mine so we can have different opinions but to act like your views are the truth seems bizarre.

 

[Groin_Injury]

For all of the Chicken Littles out there, the sky is not falling!

Not excuses, but facts, facts that we need to overcome, even if it takes a few games. We are playing without out starting PG (again). We played UNC without our starting PF, and yes we got out-rebounded by 12; the PF fill-ins made 4-10 shots while he makes 62%, and we only lost by 1 basket. But we NEED to figure out the PG spot, which I think means JJ an Aberdeen playing outside their comfort zone some.
While never expected to be a factor in the first 1/3 of the season, we do have hope to strengthen our C spot the last 2/3 (or at least 1/2) of the season with JQ, which means Garrison can hopefully sit with Tow & Horn.

Now to look at the bigger picture. How many seasons has BBN (me included) been happy all season with our play, been happy with our season come Selection Sunday going into the NCAA-T? Over the past 50 years I would say 78, 84, 91, 92, 93, 96, 03, 04, 10, 12, 15, 17. That's it, only 12 seasons!!! Not even in 98 when we won the championship.

The ship can be steered back on course. Players can get healthy, other players can step-up, the coach can make adjustments. So don't give up on the team, on the coach, too early!!!

I agree 100%. Have HOPE in POPE! He'll get it together!

Remain calm! All is well!

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

I think you know what my point about rebounding was quite well. You seem to desire to defend Pope and the team at all costs and that is your choice and do you ever admit to being wrong? Your truth isn't mine so we can have different opinions but to act like your views are the truth seems bizarre.

Really? Only effort and technique?


Curious…what are rebounding drills? Shouldn’t the coach just say, “Work harder” and leave it at that?







Also, I’m wondering why Buzz Williams had Steve Roccaforte on staff — an assistant who specializes in rebounding. Being angry about a loss is one thing, but that’s just plain silly.



I can think of several attributes that affect rebounding, aside from the obvious effort:

• Height
• Box out fundamentals
• Rebounding fundamentals
• Hands
• Coordination and balance
• Weight and girth
• Positioning
• Nose for the ball / on-court awareness
• Lateral quickness
• Vertical leap

Just off the top of my head. Y’all too angry to even make an honest assessment.

Does that look like my opinion? ^

It isn’t an opinion. Rebounding takes more than just effort. That’s a fact! We can argue about why we didn’t get boards, but yeah it’s a little odd to complain about cope when you don’t even think facts concern you.

 

[cornbreadnmilk]

Does that look like my opinion? ^

It isn’t an opinion. Rebounding takes more than just effort. That’s a fact! We can argue about why we didn’t get boards, but yeah it’s a little odd to complain about cope when you don’t even think facts concern you.

I think you know my point was we had 2 evenly matched team and one fought for rebounds and one didn't. Do you disagree that we often stood around and didn't go hard after boards?

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

I think you know what my point about rebounding was quite well. You seem to desire to defend Pope and the team at all costs and that is your choice and do you ever admit to being wrong? Your truth isn't mine so we can have different opinions but to act like your views are the truth seems bizarre.

By the way, I don’t know if you have Google. It’s pretty cool sometimes. I tried punching your question into the Google machine to avoid my “opinions”. Here’s what the Google says:


From a factual standpoint,
rebounding in basketball requires significant skill and technique in addition to effort. While a strong desire and hustle are essential, they are not sufficient on their own for consistent, effective rebounding, especially against skilled opponents

 

[cornbreadnmilk]

By the way, I don’t know if you have Google. It’s pretty cool sometimes. I tried punching your question into the Google machine to avoid my “opinions”. Here’s what the Google says:


From a factual standpoint,
rebounding in basketball requires significant skill and technique in addition to effort. While a strong desire and hustle are essential, they are not sufficient on their own for consistent, effective rebounding, especially against skilled opponents

Lord God man talk about missing the point.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

I think you know my point was we had 2 evenly matched team and one fought for rebounds and one didn't. Do you disagree that we often stood around and didn't go hard after boards?

I absolutely disagree with that. That’s the point. Caleb Wilson was far too much for Kam and Jelly. There’s nothing they were going to do to outrebound him. They did a great job on him defensively but we needed Mo for the boards against Wilson. Wilson has better leaping ability, laterally quicker, stronger than those guys.

 

[UKBB4Ever]

For all of the Chicken Littles out there, the sky is not falling!

Not excuses, but facts, facts that we need to overcome, even if it takes a few games. We are playing without out starting PG (again). We played UNC without our starting PF, and yes we got out-rebounded by 12; the PF fill-ins made 4-10 shots while he makes 62%, and we only lost by 1 basket. But we NEED to figure out the PG spot, which I think means JJ an Aberdeen playing outside their comfort zone some.
While never expected to be a factor in the first 1/3 of the season, we do have hope to strengthen our C spot the last 2/3 (or at least 1/2) of the season with JQ, which means Garrison can hopefully sit with Tow & Horn.

Now to look at the bigger picture. How many seasons has BBN (me included) been happy all season with our play, been happy with our season come Selection Sunday going into the NCAA-T? Over the past 50 years I would say 78, 84, 91, 92, 93, 96, 03, 04, 10, 12, 15, 17. That's it, only 12 seasons!!! Not even in 98 when we won the championship.

The ship can be steered back on course. Players can get healthy, other players can step-up, the coach can make adjustments. So don't give up on the team, on the coach, too early!!!

The sky has fallen. The sun has set. Any saying you want. None of those numbers excuse just not trying. They don't excuse not being prepared to play. They don't excuse quitting.

And when someone says, "it's not an excuse", it is!!

 

[UKWildcats1987]

I throw the challenge flag on the level of panic being anywhere close to those seasons.

1997 went 35 and 5. The only (justified) panic was when DA got hurt and then people figured house money. And they still almost won the title.

I agree with other ones as well. Not even close. This year's team looks like one of Cals last 2 teams or worse.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

Lord God man talk about missing the point.

I didn’t miss the point. You tried to gaslight me, as though anything I was saying was opinionated. It was verifiable fact. No one is saying to whitewash the game, it sucked. We can both acknowledge what went wrong and what went right. That’s what fair means. If you don’t want the reputation of being exclusively negative, then at least be fair and objective time to time. That’s all.

 

[cornbreadnmilk]

I absolutely disagree with that. That’s the point. Caleb Wilson was far too much for Kam and Jelly. There’s nothing they were going to do to outrebound him. They did a great job on him defensively but we needed Mo for the boards against Wilson. Wilson has better leaping ability, laterally quicker, stronger than those guys.

Did Wilson stop guys like Oweh,Chandler,Garrison from rebounding? Even Moreno who had some good boards still often stood around too much.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

Did Wilson stop guys like Oweh,Chandler,Garrison from rebounding? Even Moreno who had some good boards still often stood around too much.

Challenge accepted. Looks like I’m doing another film session. I’ll let you know what happened on every single rebound in that game. After I’m done doing this, I’m probably just signing off this crap and not returning. I’m really getting irritated at the conversations on here. It’s always so petty and dishonest — I really hate that. I’ll do the film evaluation for you and I’ll tell you literally what happened on every rebound — which you’ll flatly reject anyway and then go back to complaining about everything with zero respect for nuance, detail or context.

 

[FredmanthecatfanAnon]

I don’t think anyone is happy with how this team has played so far this year.
That said, taking that and reaching a conclusion that we are going to be bad all season is neither intelligent or productive.
There has been something off with this team even beyond the injuries. I certainly can’t guarantee that we will get everything smoothed out, but you also can’t guarantee we won’t. Last night’s game was highly frustrating. Even with injuries, that was not a game we should have lost. It doesn’t mean our fate is sealed