The Ultimate Conundrum and the Polarizing Stansbury Debate

[missouridawg]

So let's make some quick assumptions:
1) Renardo Sidney plays for MSU next year
2) Renardo Sidney is the program changing player that he's billed to be
3) Dee Bost progresses
4) Twanny/Elgin/Riek/Shaunnesy are all healthy
5) Baxter Price adds 75 lbs and 13" to become the next JV**

Now with our assumptions for next year above, we fill out a pretty decent/competitive roster. If Renardo can be our poor-mans Carmelo Anthony, we should be a very competitive team.

What do the Stansbury haters, who think we need to go a different direction coaching, cheer for? If Sidney leads us to another SEC West (Co-)Title and an NCAAT Sweet Sixteen, it's going to be hard to tell Stansbury to take a hike. Do the Stansbury haters root against MSU next year in order to try to push him?

I know my stance is that we definitely need to make some coaching changes, starting with some new assistants and a new strength/conditioning coach THIS year. I really don't feel that Rick Stansbury can get much better with what he's got in the support roles, and if he doesn't plan on getting better himself (as we've seen this year), then he should take his mediocrity elsewhere. ButI know, deep down, that I could never root for MSU to lose.... I get headaches thinking about how stressful next basketball season could get, because I'm definitely tired of riding the Stansbury Ferris Wheel.

Discuss.

 

[missouridawg]

So let's make some quick assumptions:
1) Renardo Sidney plays for MSU next year
2) Renardo Sidney is the program changing player that he's billed to be
3) Dee Bost progresses
4) Twanny/Elgin/Riek/Shaunnesy are all healthy
5) Baxter Price adds 75 lbs and 13" to become the next JV**

Now with our assumptions for next year above, we fill out a pretty decent/competitive roster. If Renardo can be our poor-mans Carmelo Anthony, we should be a very competitive team.

What do the Stansbury haters, who think we need to go a different direction coaching, cheer for? If Sidney leads us to another SEC West (Co-)Title and an NCAAT Sweet Sixteen, it's going to be hard to tell Stansbury to take a hike. Do the Stansbury haters root against MSU next year in order to try to push him?

I know my stance is that we definitely need to make some coaching changes, starting with some new assistants and a new strength/conditioning coach THIS year. I really don't feel that Rick Stansbury can get much better with what he's got in the support roles, and if he doesn't plan on getting better himself (as we've seen this year), then he should take his mediocrity elsewhere. ButI know, deep down, that I could never root for MSU to lose.... I get headaches thinking about how stressful next basketball season could get, because I'm definitely tired of riding the Stansbury Ferris Wheel.

Discuss.

 

[Shmuley]

the recruiting class that is being assembled.

 

[MeridianDog]

I know that if we get rid of Stans, We'll suck for more than a few years, considering who we can get to come to MSU, knowing that we are perfectly willing to throw a couch under the train, simply becaus ehe can't recruit Kansas level players to come to Starkville "The worst town in the SEC" and a "School with no NCAA final 4 tradition", and the school "no opponenet is willing to claim as a rival", in a "Town with no night life and no good places to hang" And all the other crap that we publish here each and every day.

Every year we suck under the new coach we will be that much further away from what six packl considers acceptable. Every year we suck under teh new coach we will be less able to recruit what we consider to be "quality players".

Why would I pull for failure next year so that these things will happen, because I promise they will.

 

[rem101]

5) Baxter Price adds 75 lbs and 13" to become the next JV**

I think he just needs the height to be like JV.

 

[missouridawg]

What years recruiting class are you referring too? Next year doesn't look very promising, on the scout page.... but 2011 could be special, if we land some of those guys... Do we have a shot to land the big-timers from MS in that class?

 

[Goat Redux]

see Croom 2007. Too bad it didn't last very long.

I don't think Stans problem is lack of effort, but maybe he does need that extra "edge" that we used to have - it wasn't there all season, even with the fans.</p>

I personally think he delivers big next year.</p>

 

[DowntownDawg]

....if he fails to do both, he needs to go. If he fails to do one, it's very tricky. However, we'll know about the recruiting class before the season's over. If we don't make the dance and we don't get those kids, he needs to be gone for sure.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Do the Stansbury haters root against MSU next year in order to try to push him?

Of course they do. "ends justify the means"

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

..Let's get real about what is happening here:


A small minority of the MSU fanbase is either unemployed, or has jobs that are so meaningless, they can afford to post on sixpackspeak.com all day.


Then this small minorty leads such boring lives, they actually have time to constantly stew over Rick Stansbury.


So this small minority congregates on this messageboard, acting like they actually possess the wherewithal to determine the fate of the increasingly worthless Rick Stanbury.


I would not call this a "debate." It more like a bunch of sad white men using the Internet to embarrass themselves.

 

[majors42]

You my friend, know how to end a thread

 

[Jackdragbean]

+1

 

[DerHntr]

A small minority of the MSU fanbase is either unemployed, or has jobs
that are so meaningless, they can afford to post on sixpackspeak.com
all day.

quite ironic that you posted this at 10:27am on a Tuesday and that this post went along with your other 3000+ posts.

 

[bonedaddy401]

Get over yourself you internet diva!

 

[missouridawg]

If you don't want to talk MSU sports, then don't get on this message board.

And yes, I'm very fortunate to have a job that pays me well and allows me to set my own work schedule. My apologies for already achievingmy "dream job" at the age of 27.

 

[msugolf]

I would also add the other spectrum of the equation. **Rumor Alert**I've heard rumblings that Dee is contemplating a transfer and if you watch how he interacts with the coaches and players then I can kind of tell he looks unhappy. I wouldn't usually put much stock in it but given Stans track record on transfers, especially quality ones, I think you have to consider it.

 

[missouridawg]

his body language these past few games. He looks like a player that's ready to put on a different jersey.

Let me re-iterate that I haven't heard of any type of rumor about him transferring... but he sure doesn't look like he's enjoying playing for this team.

 

[KurtRambis4]

that is posting (3000+) at 1030 on a Tuesday morning....

 

[Shmuley]

NM

 

[War Machine Dawg]

[No message]

 

[AlCoDog]

nm

 

[paindonthurt_]

Has Stans underachieved this year?

Who says we can't get a new and better coach all at the same time?

It wouldn't be hard to get a better X and O guy than Stans. It wouldn't be hard at all.

 

[zerocooldog]

paindonthurt[/b] wrote:[/b]
It wouldn't be hard to get a better X and O guy than Stans. It wouldn't be hard at all.

Probably not, but a better X/O guymight not be as good of a recruiter, college basketball is about players not coaching. I'll take a decentX/O guy that is agreat recruiter over a great floor coach who can't land anyone of note. Of course coaching canelevate aless talented team but at the end of the daythe program with the better players should win more games.

As someone mentioned this season hasbeen a perfect storm of disaster, I'm expecting a lot from next years team, time will tell.

 

[codeDawg]

Stansbury has a case for staying because of his recruiting. He has the titles to show off, plus that sells program stability. He just needs to get some help on the X's and O's. Byrne needs to, and probably is pushing the issue. There is no reason we should not be in the sweet 16 within the next 2 years if that is corrected with the prospective talent we have lined up.

 

[sleepy dawg]

paindonthurt]Has Stans underachieved this year?

Who says we can't get a new and better coach all at the same time?

It wouldn't be hard to get a better X and O guy than Stans. It wouldn't be hard at all.

yes.
me.

 

[patdog]

Who says we can't get a new and better coach all at the same time?

But history and experience (both ours and others) says we probably won't. We're at least as likely to hire the next Dennis Felton as we are to hire a coach as good as Stans, much less one any better.Felton was 76-20 in his last 3 years at WKU with 3 NCAA bids. In 5 years at Georgia he was 87-100 with no 20-win seasons. Just one of many examples that hiringthe latest mid-major darlingis very much a hit and miss process, with a lot of misses.

 

[Indndawg]

http://ganjataz.com/general-bollocks/images/by-GT/forum-*****/pot-kettle-black.jpg

 

[Coach34]

 

[MeridianDog]

But I think he has done about all he could have done with the team he had. I'm not sure they coud have perfromed much better than they did.

We actually have a mid average group of players. I think JV did better duringhis career at MSU as anyone would have ever imagined when he first came to State. The others? About average players who would have done no better anywhere else they might ave gone. Our problem is that we have four players and no depth after that.

Stans fault? Probably is. Fire him and see what you get. You say you'd get better and I say you'll get worse. if he goes, I hope you are right and I'm wrong. If I an right, we are in for a world of crap with teh next guy who will have lots of trouble recruiting better than Stans and probably won't "coach them up" any better than Stans usually does.

We need money and facilities and high level assistants, maybe in that order. Having the NCAA in our pocket wouldn't hirt, but that wil never happan to any schol that goes by the name Mississippi State University - see number 1 need above.

Am I wrong? probably am. If I am right, see needs list above.

 

[AROB44]

I would also add the other spectrum of the equation. **Rumor Alert**I've heard rumblings that Dee is contemplating a transfer and if you watch how he interacts with the coaches and players then I can kind of tell he looks unhappy. I wouldn't usually put much stock in it but given Stans track record on transfers, especially quality ones, I think you have to consider it.

Guess it was just a matter of time before this **** started.Just normal for this time of year, I guess. Of course, it this becomes fact, then we are definitely screwed for next year. Bost is the best point guard we have ever had.

 

[Coach34]

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[dawgstudent]

You think he is good enough for the NBA? Or if he is going to transfer after next year, he would sit out and then play his senior year? Neither are very wise decisions. If he is going to transfer, he would do it now.

 

[Coach34]

especially if he is able to cut down on TO's and raise his shooting average just a little...

 

[HippyDawg]

Sort of like Croom. The fact that Croom was incapable of seeing how inept his offense was after 3 years let alone 5 says all that needed to be said about him. That Stansbury did not realize he was lacking over the last 5 years tells me he did not then, does not now and will not in the future get it. You have seen everything you are going to see out of Stansbury for better or for worse. It is a legit argument whether that is enough for MSU but to subscribe to this pipe dream that he will have some "Eureka moment" and hire some new assistants and it is onwards and upwards conflicts with the reality.

 

[patdog]

I think Bost has NBA potential. Or at least enough potential that he could pull a Mario Austin or Jamont Gordon and think he's ready for the NBA when he's really not.

 

[MSUDawg25]

He has had great success here even when we as a teamhaven't. All-freshmen team last year. 2nd team all-sec this year. That is in a league with John Wall, Devan Downey and Courtney Fortson. I think he is one of the best Pg's to play here in a while. He is right up there with Jamont, but there is no way he is NBA ready next year.(obviously Jamont wasn't NBA ready his junior year either)</p> Edit: I amend this post after thinking about it. I don't really think Dee will ever make an NBA roster cause he doesn't have the size and he tends to get rattled when he makes mistakes. However, he isn't afraid of the weight room. Have you seen him this year? He is ripped. Also, he has shown he can play a lot of minutes.

 

[whatever.sixpack]

I don't quite think Dee has what it takes either, unless his jumper gets really consistent. It probably won't though, b/c he doesn't have the most fundamentally sound jumper and the NBA guys won't like that.
It wouldn't matter though if he had the quickness to be a top notch penetrator, but he doesn't excel at taking the ball to the rim and/or kicking it out against better defenders.

 

[DancingRabbit]

That's what one of the Stans-haters posted the other day. C34 has been thinking that for years.

While Stans has swept the Rebs a few times, I don't think he's ever been swept by them. Ole Miss fans would love to see him gone, along with the rest of the SEC West.

Arkansas "had" a lot more success and tradition. They Since Nolan they've had their "x number of years in the wilderness". We stand a 50/50 chance doing much worse than them in replacing the guy that built a program here. And that's what many are too quick to dismiss - we have a basketball "program".

Sold out season tickets, no NCAA trouble (none that's Stans' fault), few (any?) players getting in trouble off the court, competing every year.

You're 2-3 really bad years away before you can compare Stans to Polk or Sherrill.

Who says we can't get a new and better coach all at the same time?

It
wouldn't be hard to get a better X and O guy than Stans. It wouldn't
be hard at all.

If it's so easy, what are Auburn, Alabama, LSU and Arkansas waiting for? What do we have that they don't?