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Quittin' time? Johnson ready to forfeit WBC if injuries worsen
By David Brown

When it comes to sports in America, the word "quitter" ranks near "loser" and "cheater" among labels to be avoided. Yet because of mounting injuries and a prize that simply is not worth risking more, United States manager Davey Johnson said he would forfeit the World Baseball Classic rather than take a chance of any other major leaguers getting hurt.

Team USA has sustained several injuries, including ones to Dustin Pedroia, Ryan Braun and Matt Lindstrom. Chipper Jones is already back in Braves' camp after suffering an oblique strain and he roundly criticized the WBC's downtime for making players more susceptible to injury. Meanwhile, catcher Brian McCann had to play left field in the ninth inning against the Netherlands on Sunday, a move that showed just how thin the U.S. bench has become.

Reinforcements, if they come, won't arrive until the next round, if the team even makes it that far. Johnson, who has to answer to big league teams, too, is noted for coming up with options no other manager would consider.

Believe it or not, quitting would be one of them, especially if Johnson was faced with placing someone at catcher who does not regularly play the position.

From the AP story:

[Johnson] used Kevin Youkilis as an example, saying he could never return to Boston if the Red Sox first baseman was injured playing catcher in the WBC.

"I would definitely had to gone out and said we had to forfeit this ballgame," Johnson said. "Yeah, I'd forfeit it."

There it is. Forfeit. Quit. Give up. Surrender. It's kind of shocking to read. There is no more of a disgraceful way to lose. Remember when the Bad News Bears forfeited against the Yankees? Tanner about died. And it was only a movie. This is real life.

Can you imagine Tommy Lasorda considering a forfeit? Of course not. You could make a pretty good argument that Johnson should not even have admitted that the U.S. might quit, gulp, a baseball tournament? Maybe we won't always win, but shouldn't we keep trying no matter what? To Johnson, the answer appears to be no.

Of course, maybe Davey's doing it to cry out to the WBC leaders for changes in how rosters are formed so teams can be given more flexibility. Maybe he was talking out of school. On the brink of elimination, maybe he's just flipped his lid.

It's not like quitting an Olympics, or the Tigers dropping out of the American League, but even the prospect of abandoning a tournament leaves a bad taste.

So here's to no quitting. Especially not in baseball, Davey.
 

KurtRambis4

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i agree that is pretty ridiculous, i can't blame him. he'd be excommunicated from baseball if someone got hurt seriously.
 

patdog

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It makes perfect sense to bring in a bunch of players who fresh from a 5-month offseason and throw them into competitive games with no training camp. Who could have possibly foreseen that there might be some injuries?
 
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To be honest, I like the WBC. However, they need to change a few things and work it out to where it means something.

The idea of having the best in the world play against each other for their countries is great. Hell, it isn't shocking that we aren't even the best at our own "past-time." We aren't even close.

The WBC is nothing like, and will never be, the same as the World Cup. But it too started small.

If the WBC is given time I think it can work.
 
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in the offseason?

However, I can understand where you are coming from. They could move this to a different time or figure out a way to work in a training season for it. One of the things they could change, or adjust, to make this a better event.

Hell, they may as well let college players play in it instead of the pampered professionals.
 

MSUCostanza

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that nobody gives a damn about it that's involved with it. Chipper strains a muscle and immediately heads back to Florida. I think the ML'ers see it as a nuisance and a hindrance to their getting ready for the season. I bet half of them that were injured were secretly glad they were injured so they could get the hell out and have time to get ready for April.
 

Ol Blue.sixpack

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PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA said:
in the offseason?

However, I can understand where you are coming from. They could move this to a different time or figure out a way to work in a training season for it. One of the things they could change, or adjust, to make this a better event.

Hell, they may as well let college players play in it instead of the pampered professionals.

Pampered professionals? How about valuable assets to major league clubs that if they come back injured could cost a club a fortune. This thing is a joke. I was flipping channels last night and happened to catch a CF camera view of the USA game in Marlins stadium. And it looked like a Marlins crowd - in September. I liken this deal to the Goodwill Games, another made for TV bad idea. We can only hope the WBC realizes a similar fate.
 

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When you are forced to put a guy in at catcher that doesnt play catcher you are asking for trouble. especially when these guys are worth millions and are less than a month away from their regular season started. If I was an owner of a team, and he put one of my players in at catcher I would be furious
 

BlindDawg

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Brian McCann played LF at one point last night. For some reason the US team is not maxing out its roster. They have like 2 empty roster spots, so with the injuries and all McCann ends up in LF. I'm sure the Atlanta brass and Bobby Cox were none too pleased to see their franchise cornerstone for the next 15 years roaming the outfield. I like the idea of the WBC, but the logistics of it all are basically impossible to work out given the way the MLB calendar is already set up. There's no good time to have the thing so I agree with the others that it should just be scrapped, or not use MLB players.
 

NapoleonDynamite

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I'm living in Japan right now and the WBC is of huge interest to the locals. There have been articles/stories in the news every day since December about their team, their preparations, etc. The players here take it very seriously and have a lot of pride in how they do - and the fans are glued to TVs despite the 13 hour time difference. The Japanese season starts in a few weeks as well, just like the Major League season. I just think the Japanese feel like this is an opportunity for them to show they are on par with the US and other countries. Whereas, the US players, like someone said, view the WBC as a nuisance. Yet another reason I'm no longer a fan of Major League Baseball and wish it would die...
 

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Hmmm isn't that what the Olympics are for. I know it's been tried and thrown out.
 

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Without a chance at winning a gold medal, I guess people figure there needs to be some type of world tournament to decide who is champ. Unfortunately, Team USA has been no better than 3rd in baseball in awhile. It probably has something to do with our best players typically not going or caring. I doubt the US ever puts together a dream team for baseball.
 

patdog

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it will always be a third-rate exhibition series. That's my big gripe with this whole thing. Either do it right or don't do it at all. Don't just half-assed throw something out there and expect us to believe it matters for anything.