**** the VHSL for what they did to Brookville

Beefaithful08

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VHSL made Brookville release Logan Thomas sons because someone reported they didn't live within the school district? This is total ******** they have let schools all over the state get away with this bs and LCA right at the top of the list. But LCA has money, bunch of corrupt sobs. I feel horrible for Logan and his family.
 

EPJr1947

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VHSL made Brookville release Logan Thomas sons because someone reported they didn't live within the school district? This is total ******** they have let schools all over the state get away with this bs and LCA right at the top of the list. But LCA has money, bunch of corrupt sobs. I feel horrible for Logan and his family.
new rules were put in place last spring and they are the first (that I know of) victims of the new regs. Maybe folks need to go to the site and see what the VHSL Executive Committee did. They spent a great deal of time and energy on this. But why you mad? Cause they got caught it is not a reason to say other folks doing it too. That is sort of juvenile.
 
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Logan was (is?) on the staff there right? The VHSL changing the rules was no secret, he should have known, as should the AD and head coach.

With as much as people get on LCA for allegedly cheating, someone should go a head and report them.

Also, are you implying that Logan Thomas doesn't have money?
 

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I assume the kids went to school in Brookville? They pay tuition?
I would agree the AD should have been aware of this and if in fact they were fudging the rules then O well.

The part on LCA I can see your point. I'm sure there are kids from the Brookville school system and many other counties and districts around the Lynchburg area. Sucks to watch some of the better athletes pulled from your team only to end up competing against you.
 

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Beefaithful, you know I respect you. So I won’t preach to you.

It is horrible that adults created a situation that has cost this young man his season. Certainly he shoulders a small bit of the responsibility, but truthfully, it was adults that put him in this position.

Anyone remotely associated with high school athletics knows that the Executive Committee of the VHSL, and then the entire membership of the VHSL, adopted a clear and concise residency rule that went into effect July 1, 2025. Certainly, the Coaches, AD, and Principal at Brookville knew about this rule. And the League warned the member schools that fair enforcement was imminent.

Be reminded, the VHSL does not go out to try to find rules violators. They can only become involved when clear, verifiable evidence is brought to them through a clearly defined pathway.
What does that mean? It means that they cannot act on any information unless it reaches them through the designated channels, no matter how valid it may be.

With rare exceptions, evidence of a residency violation starts with a complaint from another school to the accused schools District Administration. From that point, if found valid, it proceeds up a pathway that ultimately reaches the VHSL office. After the offending school has an opportunity to defend itself against an alleged violation, a ruling is made and the case is dropped, of punishment is handed out. Additionally, there is an appeals process that becomes available after the initial ruling.

Again, the adults let this young man down. Not only have they created this terrible situation for this student, but it potentially has punished his teammates as well as the rest of the student body.

Could this have simply been a mistake? That’s hard the believe. I think “they” thought that “others are doing it and getting away with it, so let’s take a chance.” Does the fact that others have somehow managed to hide their deceit offer any excuse for knowingly violating the rules, provide an excuse to cheat? Not in my book. Exactly the opposite. The high road is, no matter what, we set the right example for the young people we lead by demonstrating that honesty and integrity is not just the best path, but it is the ONLY path.
 

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Beefaithful, you know I respect you. So I won’t preach to you.

It is horrible that adults created a situation that has cost this young man his season. Certainly he shoulders a small bit of the responsibility, but truthfully, it was adults that put him in this position.

Anyone remotely associated with high school athletics knows that the Executive Committee of the VHSL, and then the entire membership of the VHSL, adopted a clear and concise residency rule that went into effect July 1, 2025. Certainly, the Coaches, AD, and Principal at Brookville knew about this rule. And the League warned the member schools that fair enforcement was imminent.

Be reminded, the VHSL does not go out to try to find rules violators. They can only become involved when clear, verifiable evidence is brought to them through a clearly defined pathway.
What does that mean? It means that they cannot act on any information unless it reaches them through the designated channels, no matter how valid it may be.

With rare exceptions, evidence of a residency violation starts with a complaint from another school to the accused schools District Administration. From that point, if found valid, it proceeds up a pathway that ultimately reaches the VHSL office. After the offending school has an opportunity to defend itself against an alleged violation, a ruling is made and the case is dropped, of punishment is handed out. Additionally, there is an appeals process that becomes available after the initial ruling.

Again, the adults let this young man down. Not only have they created this terrible situation for this student, but it potentially has punished his teammates as well as the rest of the student body.

Could this have simply been a mistake? That’s hard the believe. I think “they” thought that “others are doing it and getting away with it, so let’s take a chance.” Does the fact that others have somehow managed to hide their deceit offer any excuse for knowingly violating the rules, provide an excuse to cheat? Not in my book. Exactly the opposite. The high road is, no matter what, we set the right example for the young people we lead by demonstrating that honesty and integrity is not just the best path, but it is the ONLY path.

Beefaithful, you know I respect you. So I won’t preach to you.

It is horrible that adults created a situation that has cost this young man his season. Certainly he shoulders a small bit of the responsibility, but truthfully, it was adults that put him in this position.

Anyone remotely associated with high school athletics knows that the Executive Committee of the VHSL, and then the entire membership of the VHSL, adopted a clear and concise residency rule that went into effect July 1, 2025. Certainly, the Coaches, AD, and Principal at Brookville knew about this rule. And the League warned the member schools that fair enforcement was imminent.

Be reminded, the VHSL does not go out to try to find rules violators. They can only become involved when clear, verifiable evidence is brought to them through a clearly defined pathway.
What does that mean? It means that they cannot act on any information unless it reaches them through the designated channels, no matter how valid it may be.

With rare exceptions, evidence of a residency violation starts with a complaint from another school to the accused schools District Administration. From that point, if found valid, it proceeds up a pathway that ultimately reaches the VHSL office. After the offending school has an opportunity to defend itself against an alleged violation, a ruling is made and the case is dropped, of punishment is handed out. Additionally, there is an appeals process that becomes available after the initial ruling.

Again, the adults let this young man down. Not only have they created this terrible situation for this student, but it potentially has punished his teammates as well as the rest of the student body.

Could this have simply been a mistake? That’s hard the believe. I think “they” thought that “others are doing it and getting away with it, so let’s take a chance.” Does the fact that others have somehow managed to hide their deceit offer any excuse for knowingly violating the rules, provide an excuse to cheat? Not in my book. Exactly the opposite. The high road is, no matter what, we set the right example for the young people we lead by demonstrating that honesty and integrity is not just the best path, but it is the ONLY path.
Thanks for your response DP. First off, we are talking about three kids here whose season is done because as you stated the adults in this situation let them down and you couldn't be more right DP. But I can assure you the administrators and Coach Lineburg didn't try to "get away with" anything. My oldest daughter is a teacher in the Brookville school system and when she informed me of this today I let my emotion get the best of me. My biggest problem with the VHSL is that they are inconsistent in enforcing the transfer rules. I really don't have the whole story yet,but it's being said that the parent of another Bees player are the one that reached out to the VHSL about this. Again I feel so bad for Logan and his family I've known them for many years.
 
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I could not agree with you more about the inconsistency of the VHSL enforcement. I know that sometimes they are stymied because those with the proof of a violation refuse to put their name on the record. (And I can sort of understand that reluctance. Part of the problem with the Hayfield enforcement was exactly that.) But I’m hopeful that we will see better consistency from the League. They have a new person with the responsibility for enforcement of the rules, so hopefully they will be aggressive, but fair. Sadly, Logan may have become an unfortunate victim of a new emphasis on enforcement.

And no apology is necessary. Honest passion for protecting a deserving kid requires no apology.

Another factor that always comes into play on situations like this is the required confidentiality. More often than not, we are never privy to all the facts. Confidentiality is always important, but when underage kids are involved it is tantamount. I once knew of a top rated football player that suddenly moved from a school with a weak program to a school with a terrific football program. All kinds of accusations were leveled. What couldn’t be revealed was that the kid had no choice. It was a court ordered change of custody.

I hope and pray that a resolution can be found for Logan and the other two. They don’t deserve to have their lives turned upside down through little to no fault of their own.
 
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EPJr1947

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Beefaithful, you know I respect you. So I won’t preach to you.

It is horrible that adults created a situation that has cost this young man his season. Certainly he shoulders a small bit of the responsibility, but truthfully, it was adults that put him in this position.

Anyone remotely associated with high school athletics knows that the Executive Committee of the VHSL, and then the entire membership of the VHSL, adopted a clear and concise residency rule that went into effect July 1, 2025. Certainly, the Coaches, AD, and Principal at Brookville knew about this rule. And the League warned the member schools that fair enforcement was imminent.

Be reminded, the VHSL does not go out to try to find rules violators. They can only become involved when clear, verifiable evidence is brought to them through a clearly defined pathway.
What does that mean? It means that they cannot act on any information unless it reaches them through the designated channels, no matter how valid it may be.

With rare exceptions, evidence of a residency violation starts with a complaint from another school to the accused schools District Administration. From that point, if found valid, it proceeds up a pathway that ultimately reaches the VHSL office. After the offending school has an opportunity to defend itself against an alleged violation, a ruling is made and the case is dropped, of punishment is handed out. Additionally, there is an appeals process that becomes available after the initial ruling.

Again, the adults let this young man down. Not only have they created this terrible situation for this student, but it potentially has punished his teammates as well as the rest of the student body.

Could this have simply been a mistake? That’s hard the believe. I think “they” thought that “others are doing it and getting away with it, so let’s take a chance.” Does the fact that others have somehow managed to hide their deceit offer any excuse for knowingly violating the rules, provide an excuse to cheat? Not in my book. Exactly the opposite. The high road is, no matter what, we set the right example for the young people we lead by demonstrating that honesty and integrity is not just the best path, but it is the ONLY path.
well said. well said
like I said before go a read what they did last spring to try to correct this issue before pointing anymore fingers.
 

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Logan was (is?) on the staff there right? The VHSL changing the rules was no secret, he should have known, as should the AD and head coach.

With as much as people get on LCA for allegedly cheating, someone should go a head and report them.

Also, are you implying that Logan Thomas doesn't have money?
Just a question. Could those kids have played for LCA?
 

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I don't have a dog in this fight and in fact had never heard about this controversy until this thread appeared. But I have to commend Logan for staying true to his roots. When you see pro football players making the big bucks they do, you visualize them living in big city mansions, etc. For him to come back to the Lynchburg area and continue to be involved in the local community says a lot about his character.
 

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I don't think this is a done deal. I know bhs is working to resolve this situation. Hopefully everything works out for the kids. At the end of the day they are the ones that matter.
 
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Same thing is happening at Varina with one of their star running backs. Don’t know the situation at Brookville and LT is one of the best in my eyes, but I’m glad the VHSL is taking transfers more seriously (I’m really only alluding to the Fairfax, Hayfield and Varina situations).
 

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Same thing is happening at Varina with one of their star running backs. Don’t know the situation at Brookville and LT is one of the best in my eyes, but I’m glad the VHSL is taking transfers more seriously (I’m really only alluding to the Fairfax, Hayfield and Varina situations).
What would be the most likely penalty for Varina in this situation?
 

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If you used an ineligible player in a game, the standard punishment is that you forfeit that game.
 
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I don't think this is a done deal. I know bhs is working to resolve this situation. Hopefully everything works out for the kids. At the end of the day they are the ones that matter.
I heard they appealed it
 

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I believe he played three as well, but you know how things go. Even though the rule is definitive I will be surprised if there are required to forfeit.
 
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When my dad was an AD, forfeiting every game the ineligible played played in was a hard and fast rule. I know of that happening in more than one occasion.

My dad was an AD a long time ago, so that may have changed. It's a good deterrent.
It has pretty much been the precedent for as long as I remember. But, with the debacle at Hayfield last year, as blatant as that was, they did not forfeit any games.

I do know, the League has the option to modify the penalty if it is determined that an error occurred that was honest and innocent, such as a typo or a clerical error.

Attempting to justify a clear violation after the fact is a non-starter to defend the “mistake.” This is because if there was a question as to eligibility, no matter how small, before the student was entered onto the Master Eligibility List, it should have been sent to the League for their ruling. Not doing this is generally considered that they, the school, were trying to slip something through.

Admittedly, sometimes things do slip through the cracks, but that is rare. Perhaps the most important job an AD has is to make sure mistakes are not made on the MEL.
 
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Same thing is happening at Varina with one of their star running backs. Don’t know the situation at Brookville and LT is one of the best in my eyes, but I’m glad the VHSL is taking transfers more seriously (I’m really only alluding to the Fairfax, Hayfield and Varina situations).
Where did you hear this? I have not heard this at all?
 

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Where did you hear this? I have not heard this at all?

Blue Devils senior running back Darren Williams, who transferred from Henrico High this past offseason, is currently being held out of athletic competition while HCPS reviews his residency.

https://richmond.com/sports/high-school/football/article_ede90d63-5cb7-44c5-8f31-8e6f1c4bbbae.html?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_804Varsity
 

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There is a common misconception that the VHSL determines eligibility. VHSL is the governing agency that creates the by-laws and regulations, but it is up to each school's AD and principal to enforce such by-laws. In other words, eligibility is determined by each school's AD and principal, not VHSL. Think about it as VHSL being Congress, they make laws for the country, but the ADs and principals are the local police departments that are responsible for making sure everyone is abiding by the laws that Congress has made.

I say all that to say that VHSL isn't the blame for Logan's boys being ruled ineligible. The way the process works is that, when the principal or AD receives a complaint or info that a player might not be in compliance, they have to investigate such claim. Then the principal and AD determine if the player is in compliance or not. If everything checks out, no problem, life goes on as normal. However, if the player is out of compliance then, the principal and AD are required to deem them ineligible immediately. If that happens, the family can submit a written appeal to the principal and AD. If the student wins the appeal then, they will be reinstated (highly unlikely). If they lose the appeal then the student can appeal to the district committee made up of the district principals and ADs. If the student wins that appeal then, they will be reinstated. This is highly unlikely to happen because the stuedent's principal and AD have already determined them ineligible. Nonetheless, the student has one last appeal after the district committe and that is to VHSL. The VHSL committee will hear the final appeal and make a final decision if the family chooses to pursue this route.

Moral of the story is that it was not the VHSL that ruled Logan's kids' ineligible. It was the Brookville principal and AD because that's the way it works.
 
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There is a common misconception that the VHSL determines eligibility. VHSL is the governing agency that creates the by-laws and regulations, but it is up to each school's AD and principal to enforce such by-laws. In other words, eligibility is determined by each school's AD and principal, not VHSL. Think about it as VHSL is Congress, they make laws for the country, but the ADs and principals are the local police departments that are responsible for making sure everyone is abiding by the laws that Congress has made.

I say all that to say that VHSL isn't the blame for Logan's boys being ruled ineligible. The way the process works is that, when the principal or AD receives a complaint or info that a player might not be in compliance, they have to investigate such claim. Then the principal and AD determine if the player is in compliance or not. If everything checks out, no problem, life goes on as normal. However, if the player is out of compliance then, the principal and AD are required to deem them ineligible immediately. If that happens, the family can submit a written appeal to the principal and AD. If the student wins the appeal then, they will be reinstated (highly unlikely). If they lose the appeal then the student can appeal to the district committee made up of the district principals and ADs. If the student wins that appeal then, they will be reinstated. This is highly unlikely to happen because the stuedent's principal and AD have already determined them ineligible. Nonetheless, the student has one last appeal after the district committe and that is to VHSL. The VHSL committee will hear the final appeal and make a final decision if the family chooses to pursue this route.

Moral of the story is that it was not the VHSL that ruled Logan's kids' ineligible. It was the Brookville principal and AD because that's the way it works.
You need to post this on fb
 

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There is a common misconception that the VHSL determines eligibility. VHSL is the governing agency that creates the by-laws and regulations, but it is up to each school's AD and principal to enforce such by-laws. In other words, eligibility is determined by each school's AD and principal, not VHSL. Think about it as VHSL is Congress, they make laws for the country, but the ADs and principals are the local police departments that are responsible for making sure everyone is abiding by the laws that Congress has made.

I say all that to say that VHSL isn't the blame for Logan's boys being ruled ineligible. The way the process works is that, when the principal or AD receives a complaint or info that a player might not be in compliance, they have to investigate such claim. Then the principal and AD determine if the player is in compliance or not. If everything checks out, no problem, life goes on as normal. However, if the player is out of compliance then, the principal and AD are required to deem them ineligible immediately. If that happens, the family can submit a written appeal to the principal and AD. If the student wins the appeal then, they will be reinstated (highly unlikely). If they lose the appeal then the student can appeal to the district committee made up of the district principals and ADs. If the student wins that appeal then, they will be reinstated. This is highly unlikely to happen because the stuedent's principal and AD have already determined them ineligible. Nonetheless, the student has one last appeal after the district committe and that is to VHSL. The VHSL committee will hear the final appeal and make a final decision if the family chooses to pursue this route.

Moral of the story is that it was not the VHSL that ruled Logan's kids' ineligible. It was the Brookville principal and AD because that's the way it works.
Precise and well stated.
 
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There is a common misconception that the VHSL determines eligibility. VHSL is the governing agency that creates the by-laws and regulations, but it is up to each school's AD and principal to enforce such by-laws. In other words, eligibility is determined by each school's AD and principal, not VHSL. Think about it as VHSL is Congress, they make laws for the country, but the ADs and principals are the local police departments that are responsible for making sure everyone is abiding by the laws that Congress has made.

I say all that to say that VHSL isn't the blame for Logan's boys being ruled ineligible. The way the process works is that, when the principal or AD receives a complaint or info that a player might not be in compliance, they have to investigate such claim. Then the principal and AD determine if the player is in compliance or not. If everything checks out, no problem, life goes on as normal. However, if the player is out of compliance then, the principal and AD are required to deem them ineligible immediately. If that happens, the family can submit a written appeal to the principal and AD. If the student wins the appeal then, they will be reinstated (highly unlikely). If they lose the appeal then the student can appeal to the district committee made up of the district principals and ADs. If the student wins that appeal then, they will be reinstated. This is highly unlikely to happen because the stuedent's principal and AD have already determined them ineligible. Nonetheless, the student has one last appeal after the district committe and that is to VHSL. The VHSL committee will hear the final appeal and make a final decision if the family chooses to pursue this route.

Moral of the story is that it was not the VHSL that ruled Logan's kids' ineligible. It was the Brookville principal and AD because that's the way it works.

There is a common misconception that the VHSL determines eligibility. VHSL is the governing agency that creates the by-laws and regulations, but it is up to each school's AD and principal to enforce such by-laws. In other words, eligibility is determined by each school's AD and principal, not VHSL. Think about it as VHSL is Congress, they make laws for the country, but the ADs and principals are the local police departments that are responsible for making sure everyone is abiding by the laws that Congress has made.

I say all that to say that VHSL isn't the blame for Logan's boys being ruled ineligible. The way the process works is that, when the principal or AD receives a complaint or info that a player might not be in compliance, they have to investigate such claim. Then the principal and AD determine if the player is in compliance or not. If everything checks out, no problem, life goes on as normal. However, if the player is out of compliance then, the principal and AD are required to deem them ineligible immediately. If that happens, the family can submit a written appeal to the principal and AD. If the student wins the appeal then, they will be reinstated (highly unlikely). If they lose the appeal then the student can appeal to the district committee made up of the district principals and ADs. If the student wins that appeal then, they will be reinstated. This is highly unlikely to happen because the stuedent's principal and AD have already determined them ineligible. Nonetheless, the student has one last appeal after the district committe and that is to VHSL. The VHSL committee will hear the final appeal and make a final decision if the family chooses to pursue this route.

Moral of the story is that it was not the VHSL that ruled Logan's kids' ineligible. It was the Brookville principal and AD because that's the way it works.
Maybe the structure needs to be revamped to where the inmates no longer run the asylum.

There’s a whole lot of revamping which needs to be done. And Ken Tilley’s “Great Realigment” certainly wasn’t it.
 

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Maybe the structure needs to be revamped to where the inmates no longer run the asylum.

There’s a whole lot of revamping which needs to be done. And Ken Tilley’s “Great Realigment” certainly wasn’t it.
I am not exactly sure who you are referring to as the "inmates" but I would argue that the "inmates" are the parents and school officials that intentionally try to circumvent and manipulate the rules. Not necessarily saying that was the case in this situation because I do not know the details; but in general situaions like this.
 

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Since you are so "connected" to the situation why don't you tell us why those two kids season has been shut down?
I didn't say I was connected to the situation. I said I was connected to some of the people involved. But I assume you are a Brookville supporter, you probably have heard a reason why. I just think it's interesting that nobody has mentioned the reasons they have heard.
 

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There is a common misconception that the VHSL determines eligibility. VHSL is the governing agency that creates the by-laws and regulations, but it is up to each school's AD and principal to enforce such by-laws. In other words, eligibility is determined by each school's AD and principal, not VHSL. Think about it as VHSL being Congress, they make laws for the country, but the ADs and principals are the local police departments that are responsible for making sure everyone is abiding by the laws that Congress has made.

I say all that to say that VHSL isn't the blame for Logan's boys being ruled ineligible. The way the process works is that, when the principal or AD receives a complaint or info that a player might not be in compliance, they have to investigate such claim. Then the principal and AD determine if the player is in compliance or not. If everything checks out, no problem, life goes on as normal. However, if the player is out of compliance then, the principal and AD are required to deem them ineligible immediately. If that happens, the family can submit a written appeal to the principal and AD. If the student wins the appeal then, they will be reinstated (highly unlikely). If they lose the appeal then the student can appeal to the district committee made up of the district principals and ADs. If the student wins that appeal then, they will be reinstated. This is highly unlikely to happen because the stuedent's principal and AD have already determined them ineligible. Nonetheless, the student has one last appeal after the district committe and that is to VHSL. The VHSL committee will hear the final appeal and make a final decision if the family chooses to pursue this route.

Moral of the story is that it was not the VHSL that ruled Logan's kids' ineligible. It was the Brookville principal and AD because that's the way it works.
Why did wait so late to realize it. They should have known this from the start of the season
 
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Ok, something is really amiss with this situation involving Logans two sons at Brookville. They have been enrolled at Brookville since last January one played basketball and the other ran track during the last school year. Nothing was said then, all of a sudden it's football season and they're ineligible after three ball games? They reside at the same home now as they did last year which is within the Brookville school district, I can see this one ending up in court and that's unfortunate.
 
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