There are Trump's claims about jobs. And then there are the numbers

American Fabius

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President Trump is heralding a boom in coal jobs that just isn't there.

He took credit for thousands of new coal jobs on Wednesday at a rally in Cedar Rapids.




"We've ended the war on clean beautiful coal. And we're putting our miners back to work," he said. "Last week a brand new coal mine just opened in the state of Pennsylvania. First time in decades. Decades. We've reversed it. And 33,000 mining jobs have been added since my inauguration."


A coal mine did open in Pennsylvania, but it added 70 jobs.


And it is true that Labor Department data shows an increase of 32,600 jobs in the "mining" category so far this year. But that category includes a variety of types of jobs, including many in oil and gas extraction. Coal mining added 1,000 jobs.


And it's not just coal jobs.


Since his election, Trump has frequently used broad claims to take credit for jobs, especially those for blue collar workers, that the numbers don't bear out.


Jobs at Carrier


Soon after the election, weeks before he took office, Trump got a lot of attention for claiming he saved 1,100 jobs at a Carrier furnace plant in Indiana that were headed Mexico. In fact, 300 of those jobs were always slated to stay in Indianapolis, so it was 800 jobs that stayed in the U.S.


And Carrier has said publicly that some of those 800 saved jobs would eventually be eliminated by automation. But well before that happens, another 600 Carrier jobs are still moving to Mexico. About half of those layoffs will be in July, while the rest will come by Christmas.


Related: The Trump jobs tracker


Auto jobs


In January, before he was inaugurated, Trump took credit for bringing automaker jobs back to the United States from Mexico after Ford (F) announced it was scrapping plans for a new plant in Mexico to build small cars.


But Ford is still moving all of its small car production outside the United States. Why? To save money, and to free up U.S. factory space to build more expensive, more popular vehicles. And just this week, Ford said it would move production of the Ford Focus, which had been slated to move to Mexico, to a plant in China to save even more money.


U.S employment


Trump has regularly claimed that the United States has added more jobs during his tenure than it actually has.


On June 1 he claimed that there had been "more than 1 million private sector jobs" created since he took office. His chief economic adviser Gary Cohn explained he was using an estimate from payroll service ADP, which said 1.2 million jobs were added from January through May.


But that figure is questionable for a couple of reasons. First, it includes January, when President Obama was in office for most of the month. Without January the number of jobs added slips to under 1 million.


In addition, the ADP report is markedly different from the official numbers issued by Trump's own Labor Department. The department's latest data, reported June 2, shows that about 600,000 jobs were added from February through May. Trump had taken credit for 600,000 new jobs back in April -- so that claim finally came true.


-- CNNMoney's Richa Naik contributed to this report.
 

PriddyBoy

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400 + 700 = 1100 stay while 600 gone.

That is the exact story that was generated by the biased media back in November. Same numbers, same slant, they just updated the 2 disgruntled employee's interviews and those guys are really starting to look familiar. Maybe you just don't remember, but I suspect you're continuing tour misleading leftist lyin' ways. After all, you associate with American Falsious, who posted a story about jobs Trump supposedly didn't influence even though Carrier credits Trump. His posting also discredits employment numbers because Obama was technically president till Jan. 20. Are we going to credit Trump for every job lost from 11/8/16 - 1/20/17 and credit Obama for every job gained during that same time? Can't have it both ways. Typical libiness; contradict yourselves within your own narrative.

The pigment plant is getting ready to close here and Carrier is the epicenter of the jobs universe? I'm gonna blame Obama on the pigment plant cuz Muslims hate pigs.
 

PriddyBoy

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BASF? Beside Stewarts?
That's the word on the street. Wife said the Facebook hens were chatting that up yesterday. OK, she didn't say "hens." Don't know their source. Side issue: Maybe if we get infrastructure we can find out why blue pigment shows up in the sewers in places it should not. It's got to be due to a crumbling system where ground water flows in and out. The actual subsurface conduits serve merely as a guidance for sanitary and stormwater conveyance. :) It's actually amazing how well this country's old systems work, but then again Rome and elsewhere in Europe still have ancient water handling infrastructure partially in place. It would be nice if Cryin' Chuck and Nanny Britches could get on board to pay 1 Trillion for much needed infrastructure, but I have a feeling anything short of 3 Trillion will kill millions of Americans.
 
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That's the word on the street. Wife said the Facebook hens were chatting that up yesterday. OK, she didn't say "hens." Don't know their source. Side issue: Maybe if we get infrastructure we can find out why blue pigment shows up in the sewers in places it should not. It's got to be due to a crumbling system where ground water flows in and out. The actual subsurface conduits serve merely as a guidance for sanitary and stormwater conveyance. :) It's actually amazing how well this country's old systems work, but then again Rome and elsewhere in Europe still have ancient water handling infrastructure partially in place. It would be nice if Cryin' Chuck and Nanny Britches could get on board to pay 1 Trillion for much needed infrastructure, but I have a feeling anything short of 3 Trillion will kill millions of Americans.

I saw John Mandt Jr post something to that effect but haven't seen any "official" news stories yet. They are down to a small number of employees now, aren't they? A lot of people who have worked there have died of lung cancer.
 

palencia

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Not this **** again. ugh.
They are called whiners, and taking it to the
extreme. Coal mining related jobs are up 19%
this year. I am a conservative Democrat, and
I do not relate to what used to be the National
Democratic Party, now headed by a bunch of
loons. New York City, Mass, and California
need to have their own party. King Bernie is
ready to serve as their leader.
 
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That's the word on the street. Wife said the Facebook hens were chatting that up yesterday. OK, she didn't say "hens." Don't know their source. Side issue: Maybe if we get infrastructure we can find out why blue pigment shows up in the sewers in places it should not. It's got to be due to a crumbling system where ground water flows in and out. The actual subsurface conduits serve merely as a guidance for sanitary and stormwater conveyance. :) It's actually amazing how well this country's old systems work, but then again Rome and elsewhere in Europe still have ancient water handling infrastructure partially in place. It would be nice if Cryin' Chuck and Nanny Britches could get on board to pay 1 Trillion for much needed infrastructure, but I have a feeling anything short of 3 Trillion will kill millions of Americans.

Here it is.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/news...cle_bc20a35b-243b-5bcc-9bb4-7475f94065f1.html
 

palencia

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That's the word on the street. Wife said the Facebook hens were chatting that up yesterday. OK, she didn't say "hens." Don't know their source. Side issue: Maybe if we get infrastructure we can find out why blue pigment shows up in the sewers in places it should not. It's got to be due to a crumbling system where ground water flows in and out. The actual subsurface conduits serve merely as a guidance for sanitary and stormwater conveyance. :) It's actually amazing how well this country's old systems work, but then again Rome and elsewhere in Europe still have ancient water handling infrastructure partially in place. It would be nice if Cryin' Chuck and Nanny Britches could get on board to pay 1 Trillion for much needed infrastructure, but I have a feeling anything short of 3 Trillion will kill millions of Americans.
The blue pigment is caused by too many left
wing Dems pissing at the same time. Takes
awhile to clear out the system.
 

PriddyBoy

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A lot of people who have worked there have died of lung cancer.
Probably because they worked to close to the Nickel Plant. Both places have been environmentally compliant since enactment of Environmental Protection, but the damage done (chiefly to GW) will linger. I don't think counties are likely to allow water well installation for consumption in these areas. I personally wouldn't drill a drinking water well adjacent to industry or in any urban setting. Another side note: I once heard one of Dow's main enviro guys (WVU Grad, Geology) say in regards to the amount of Carbon Tet in soil and GW at the Institute Plant, "Did we actually sell any of this stuff?"
 

moe

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Probably because they worked to close to the Nickel Plant. Both places have been environmentally compliant since enactment of Environmental Protection, but the damage done (chiefly to GW) will linger. I don't think counties are likely to allow water well installation for consumption in these areas. I personally wouldn't drill a drinking water well adjacent to industry or in any urban setting. Another side note: I once heard one of Dow's main enviro guys (WVU Grad, Geology) say in regards to the amount of Carbon Tet in soil and GW at the Institute Plant, "Did we actually sell any of this stuff?"
There's no shortage of GW contamination at Dow (and now WVSU) in Institute.
WVSU files lawsuit against Dow Chemical for water pollution
http://wvmetronews.com/2017/04/27/wvsu-files-lawsuit-against-dow-chemical-for-water-pollution/
 

PriddyBoy

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BASF? Beside Stewarts?
I've heard someone say: "Fucging EPA ruined Stewarts Hotdogs." As with many things, there's a small slice of truth. The odor, er, aroma from the relatively benign sulfur emissions did kind of lend itself to the overall experience of going to Stewarts. It's was often the stuff we couldn't smell that was killing us.
 

PriddyBoy

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There's no shortage of GW contamination at Dow (and now WVSU) in Institute.
WVSU files lawsuit against Dow Chemical for water pollution
http://wvmetronews.com/2017/04/27/wvsu-files-lawsuit-against-dow-chemical-for-water-pollution/
This is a great example of throwing out a news piece as gospel when one doesn't know WTF they're talking about. The Institute plant does indeed have GW issues that will take decades to naturally attenuate, but down gradient monitoring wells off property quickly go non detect for constituents of concern. I'm not seeing how contaminants migrated up gradient to WVSU. Dow could drill and likely find higher concentrations of the contaminants in the article you linked, UP gradient of WVSU. Prediction: DOW gives WVSU anywhere from 10 to 50 million. Marshall's probably going want some of that money. Side note: WV missed the last opportunity for a Gas Cracker that went elsewhere. Maybe we cant get the next one. Another side note: I keep doing side notes today. I'm not sure why, but I hope it's a passing thing.