There is no other way to slice it....

DowntownDawg

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...we've got to clean house this year. Looking at it logically, the choice is overwhelming:

<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Reasons FOR getting rid of Croom this season (assuming 3-9 record):</span>
1) Next year's schedule + Significant defensive losses = Extreme rebuilding in 2009, no matter who the coach is. We are more than likely going to take our lumps next year no matter who is coaching. Home games are Jxn State, Houston, Ga. Tech, Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, Florida. Road games are MTSU, Auburn, Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas. LSU will be better next year, as will Ole Miss as will Florida (assuming Tebow stays). There is no reason to think Ga. Tech isn't going to be better. Arkansas will undoubtedly be better. Kentucky will likely be better. If we are going to struggle next year (and that's not much of an IF at this point) it's imperative that we do it with a new coaching staff instead of going through another meaningless 2003 type season.
2) Coordinator replacement. As has been asked on here many times, what decent coordinator is going to look at that schedule, our team, and Croom's situation and want that job? We might have to dangle a lucrative contract to get them to come (just digging the buyout hole for this staff that much deeper). You might get somebody that is out of work currently with nothing better to do.
3) Nobody knows if a coordinator replacement would make much difference. This is Croom's own fault because he has created this situation with his mouth. "I am the offensive coordinator, etc." There's not much better than a 50/50 chance that a change would help anyway, and there's an even lesser chance that any offensive improvement would compensate for the defensive regression we're bound to have + the schedule's increased difficulty level. In short, we could move up 20-30 spots offensively and still end up 3-9 or 4-8.
4) The cost of keeping Croom. There will be a large dropoff in revenue if we keep Croom, even if we change offensive coordinators.
5) The chances of taking a publicity hit seem to be going down. KState didn't take much of one. I mean, come on. 3-9, 3-9, 3-9, 8-5, 3-9? Can anybody really defend that?

<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Reasons AGAINST getting Rid of Croom this season (Assuming a 3-9 record)</span>
1). Financial. Obviousy. As Rick Cleveland say "It's gonna cost ya." Like everything else at MSU, the big money guys will have to step up and pay for it (and a blowout in Oxford would go a long way). However, this could also be mitigated by the possible increase (or at least no dropoff) in season ticket sales for a new coach. Plus the ESPN money will be coming in very soon.
2) The recruiting class. Like most people on here, I'll be very suprised if this class holds together with a 3-9 record. Maybe it does. And, as C34 has pointed out, many of these guys might still come to State even after a coaching change. The one who seems to be gung ho with Croom is also our most valuable: Tyler Russell. And he should make us all stop and think. But in the end, the chance that Tyler goes elsewhere nowhere near outweighs all the other reasons listed above.

I'm sure we'll somehow execute a field goal and beat Arkansas and all of this debate will be put to rest. But until then, I sure hope Greg is getting the plane warmed up.
 

patdog

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DowntownDawg said:
The one who seems to be gung ho with Croom is also our most valuable: Tyler Russell. And he should make us all stop and think. But in the end, the chance that Tyler goes elsewhere nowhere near outweighs all the other reasons listed above.
I don't even think we have to stop and think about Tyler Russell. I don't care how good he is (and I think he's real good), no player is worth keeping such a ****** coach for. Even if getting rid of Crxxm is a dealbreaker for Russell, we have to do it.
 

DawgNsuds

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Well, hopefully we would bring in a coach that had the credentials to keep Russel or QB of equal stature. If the replacement can't entice these type of players, what have we accomplished?
 

El Diablo Blanco

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I've been telling folks that if you list the reasons for keeping Croom and reasons for getting rid of him, it's not even close.

Only one reason for keeping him is financial. Although I say it will cost more to keep him, in the long run.
 

SwampDawg

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If Tyler comes here he will probably blow a knee the first game. We are MSU.
 

ArrowDawg

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....may be for keeping Croom one more year, we have to look at the facts of what we face in 2009. We're losing 7 starters off the defense for one. That alone is enough to put us into full rebuilding mode next year. So any ideas about hiring a new OC and him helping us turn things around next year are not realistic. We may or may not score some more points, but our defense won't stop anyone. And like you said, I'm having a hard time believing that we'll get some kind of awesome OC when he looks at our situation and realizes it may only be a one-year job.

As for Tyler Russell, since he was mentioned in this thread, I understand that we need to make a major upgrade at QB. But at the same time, our problems are much bigger than just that one position. If he has to be coached by the staff we have right now, he'll probably only get worse. Besides, I'm not sure if he's going to go anywhere else. He still surprisingly doesn't have any other offers except for the Bama one that Scout.com claims he has, and I think Bama already has a commit from a QB with offers from everyone. I think we can afford to take the risk of losing him.
 

BewareOfMSUDawg

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I hope Byrne surprises me and does the right thing (and is setting the table to get a good HC in here). But the Cohen hire notwithstanding, I've been too inundated with the old MState mediocrity to think that we'll be proactive and fire Croom. Maybe he'll surprise me..........
 

msdawg90

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Whenever I think of someone wanting to play with this coach and staff, it completely leaves me numb. I just dont get it. I would do everything in my power to have my child NOT play for this coach. There are HS and JUCO coaches that would be an upgrade. Am I missing why these recruits supposedly "want" to play from Croom? Is it skin color?</p>
 

Mr Meoff

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his dad being a lifelong State fan may have less to do with it than you think.

Off the top of my head, see: C Garrett, R Dickson (and his little brother), D Buckles, C Ramsey (don't I remember that right?), J. McNeil, etc. etc. etc.
 

HD6

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could lose Russell, but improve Lee and then Carroll, and worry about a QB the next season if need be.