These guys in OM compliance needs a job at Improv....17 hilarious

Indndawg · Jul 2, 2013

A “chilling effect on future sources of information, thus frustrating our compliance and enforcement efforts.”

That's richer than what's in a bull's large bowel.

MSUDawg25 · Jul 2, 2013

There are still a lot of twisted panties here about OM' signing class. They signed a great class. Good for them. Maybe there was some greasing of palms. Maybe not, but at this point there is nothing concrete pointing to dirty play. Freeze even challenged people to come up with something. That was an incredibly dumb move, but still nobody has come up with anything. Maybe gumshoe Veazey will dig something up. If he does I will laugh my *** off, but for now congratulations to them on a great group of players who may or may not see the field and have an impact.

I will add, I don't really even know what your quote is about, but I just assumed it was more bitching about Rebel recruiting.

jacksonreb · Jul 2, 2013

why do you consider HF's move dumb? i'm kind of a "put up or shut up" kind of guy myself. IF Freeze believes he has nothing to hide (or that its well enough hidden) then i like it. if you got something bring it. if not STFU. i kind of like it.

MSUDawg25 · Jul 2, 2013

jacksonreb said:
why do you consider HF's move dumb? i'm kind of a "put up or shut up" kind of guy myself. IF Freeze believes he has nothing to hide (or that its well enough hidden) then i like it. if you got something bring it. if not STFU. i kind of like it.

Are you a safe driver? I'm a safe driver. However I wouldn't dare go to the local police ball and say "I dare you MFers to find a way to ticket me." Antagonizing people who are already out to get you is a BAD move. There are a lot of vague rules in recruiting and there are also a lot of ways for violations to occur that are totally out of Freeze's control. Hell, I would bet 90% of the time when some degree of cheating is happening, the head coach has no knowledge of it. No matter how squeaky clean you may be, drawing that kind of attention to your recruiting is a bad idea.

Lawdawg.sixpack · Jul 2, 2013

The only dumb part was advertising the fact that a number of e-mails would inevitably be sent to [email protected] (or whatever it was) containing rampant recruiting rumors that may or may not be based whatsever in any shred of fact. To a reporter who is familiar with the public records act, it's like he said "come and get it".

johnson86-1 · Jul 2, 2013

It's not incredibly dumb, but it's all risk no reward. Nobody thinks that any SEC team is recruiting cleanly (not even vanderbilt now), so it doesn't gain him any credibility. And while most likely nobody that is interested in turning Ole Miss in has any hard proof, there are probably a dozen or so people that are not loyal to UM that know enough details that it would be uncomfortable for UM if the NCAA decided it cared. I think it's pretty clear the NCAA does not want to be in the enforcement business for major recruiting violations unless they don't have a choice, but why take that risk. Let people talk about how dirty UM's recruiting is (just like they talk about every other SEC program) and let it blow over.

Again, most likely, nobody with real information will want to deal with the blowback from reporting it, and even if somebody does provide real information, it will be mixed in with a lot of 4th and 5th hand rumors with no easy way to distinguish it, but why put those details out there.

DerHntr · Jul 2, 2013

Well clearly either he or the AD at OM thought it was dumb since they quickly removed the tweet. Ever thought of that?

MSUDawg25 · Jul 2, 2013

johnson86-1 said:
It's not incredibly dumb, but it's all risk no reward.

I'm confused. Are these two things not the same?

Indndawg · Jul 2, 2013

I tend to side on the smoke/fire theme.

BigLeagueChew · Jul 2, 2013

[... I wouldn't dare go to the local police ball and say "I dare you MFers to find a way to ticket me." Antagonizing people who are already out to get you is a BAD move...] The difference is HF didn't challenge the NCAA (which would be the equivalent of the police in your rather poor analogy). He challenged individuals (which would be the equivalent of citizens in your again rather poor analogy) to come forward. Seeing that everyone on here are book farmers and not lawyers, the chilling effect approach is the correct. People were encouraged to anonymously send in e-mails of what they knew. If they those individuals identities were released to the public, they would be less likely to send another e-mail if a legitimate infraction occurred.

I tend to agree that the light should be shown on those people. Maybe public humility would prevent them from acting stupid in the future (even though it rarely does).

MSUDawg25 · Jul 2, 2013

Sorry my hasty analogy wasn't up to standards. You are actually suggesting that Coach Freeze challenging his detractors to find any wrongdoing in his program via the almighty twitter was advisable? Though the actual text of the formal "tweet" said to email compliance if you had any concerns, the subtext was clearly something along the lines of "I dare you to find something." I doubt Ross Bjork thought that was a good move. I got involved in this thread initially to say that it appears to me OM was clean in this years recruiting as there was no evidence to the contrary. However, even Hugh Freeze himself does not know for certain what goes on with every recruit at every second. What he should've said was nothing.

MSUDawg25 · Jul 2, 2013

Maybe this is a better comparison.

There are no naked pictures of my girlfriend on the internet. Should you find any evidence of naked pictures of my girlfriend on the internet, email me. You WON'T find any though because there AREN'T any.

To his knowledge, there was no wrongdoing, but there's no way he could know for certain, so why goad people?

BiscuitEater · Jul 2, 2013

Then ... please explain 'why' ...

jacksonreb said:
why do you consider HF's move dumb? i'm kind of a "put up or shut up" kind of guy myself. IF Freeze believes he has nothing to hide (or that its well enough hidden) then i like it. if you got something bring it. if not STFU. i kind of like it.

OM redacted the personal information and released 54 of the 85. They said that compliance had reviewed ALL 85 of them and there was ... "No recruiting violations in emails."
So, what's in the remaining 31 that they don't want the public to know about? Why not release them all? The 4 reasons in the article apply equally to the 31 as the 54 they already released. One has to think that they were all about a current or prospective student.

RebFan.sixpack · Jul 2, 2013

Possibly because they feel that they would have to share not only "what" was sent but "who" sent them. I can imagine there might even be some State folks that don't want the sources of those emails revealed. There are too many scenarios to discuss surrounding the reasons behind not releasing those emails, but I'm sure its hard to accept that it might be more than "OM trying to cover it up". There is the sender (or as the other SEC schools like to call em...the snitch), the player, and the others that are implicated to protect. Not JUST the players

BiscuitEater · Jul 2, 2013

I complete FOIA requests ...

RebFan said:
"OM trying to cover it up". There is the sender (or as the other SEC schools like to call em...the snitch), the player, and the others that are implicated to protect. Not JUST the players

all the time. Personal information is redacted (covered up) ... email, names, & addresses. There are valid reasons for not complying with a FOIA request like it contains classified information.

None of the reasons that were mentioned in the CA & CL were VALID reasons not to comply with a FOIA request.

Try again.

RebFan.sixpack · Jul 2, 2013

So you think that you'd be able to investigate the issues without the pertinent info...lol, well I guess there you have it! So it would go something like this then, "Mr. ****** at **** Rd, *******, MS provided money to OM Players. They met at the **** ******** ***** (business address) to......need I go on. No wonder nothing ever comes of it! And if you think it would be kept quiet, just come on man

msstate7 · Jul 2, 2013

Lawdawg said:
The only dumb part was advertising the fact that a number of e-mails would inevitably be sent to [email protected] (or whatever it was) containing rampant recruiting rumors that may or may not be based whatsever in any shred of fact. To a reporter who is familiar with the public records act, it's like he said "come and get it".

So will they have to turn the emails over or not?

Thrl595 · Jul 2, 2013

This will be similar to SMU. For those of you who don't know, watch the 30 for 30 - PONY EXCESS.

SkullCandy.sixpack · Jul 2, 2013

I don't know what to think. Just about everyone of y'all are making great points-- I agree with Rebfan that the fully redacted versions--clean enough to actually protect the source-- would be a joke. MSUDawg's points about calling out the cops just because you know your clean being ill-advised, and that most HC's probably don't have a clue about secret sorority BJs and hundred dollar handshakes are valid.

I'm guessing that Freeze got galled that instead of getting admiration & "glory" for putting together a great class, he was derided as a cheater. He blew his cool, tweeted something true but what amounts to a taunt, and Bjork immediately reeled him in. It's not like someone hasn't lost their cool on twitter before. If OM is clean, either those emails burn a source, or look like swiss cheese for all the redactions, and the "cover up" cries go up again. I wouldn't want to embarrass players, coaches or alums by publishing charges that simply cannot be proved one way or another. How do you investigate "I saw Coach Dix give Bo Wallace 3 Benjamins!"?

If you can't prove it, by releasing it, you set yourself up to embarrass potentially innocent people, or worse-- open yourself up to allegations of slander. If they were given those tips with the understanding they were confidential, could they release them even if they wanted to without facing possible legal action? On the other hand, if you turn yourself in... Well, that's ill-advised too.**

Everyone of y'all are making great points, but this is a complicated issue even if your clean. If your not, this would probably still be the best way to handle it. I dunno...

coach66 · Jul 2, 2013

Clean, u serious Clark? FSU is still

Is still steaming over Golson. They invested yyears and thousands of dollars
on that kid and UM flips him over one weekend with hoes and cash, that shitt ain't oover they are pissed. Excuse the spelling my phone is screwed.

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QUOTE=MSUDawg25;897514]Sorry my hasty analogy wasn't up to standards. You are actually suggesting that Coach Freeze challenging his detractors to find any wrongdoing in his program via the almighty twitter was advisable? Though the actual text of the formal "tweet" said to email compliance if you had any concerns, the subtext was clearly something along the lines of "I dare you to find something." I doubt Ross Bjork thought that was a good move. I got involved in this thread initially to say that it appears to me OM was clean in this years recruiting as there was no evidence to the contrary. However, even Hugh Freeze himself does not know for certain what goes on with every recruit at every second. What he should've said was nothing.[/QUOTE]

State82 · Jul 2, 2013

If someone makes a business related decision that is "all risk no reward", I would categorize that decision as "incredibly dumb". But that's just me.

GloryDawg · Jul 2, 2013

It could be a bluff.

bd

RebFan.sixpack · Jul 3, 2013

Wasn't either of those things for Golson. It was so simple to flip him. Just had to key on what the kid loves to do besides football. Simple really, but no FSU (or MSU) fan would ever believe it. The true story is funny and ironic

BiscuitEater · Jul 3, 2013

That's EXACTLY why they were not released ...

RebFan said:
So you think that you'd be able to investigate the issues without the pertinent info...lol, well I guess there you have it! So it would go something like this then, "Mr. ****** at **** Rd, *******, MS provided money to OM Players. They met at the **** ******** ***** (business address) to......need I go on. No wonder nothing ever comes of it! And if you think it would be kept quiet, just come on man

The 31 may not have been released because they were TOO CLOSE to the truth.

Go read any NCAA report ... they don't include names BUT by then, EVERYONE knows 'who,' 'what' and 'when.' _____________ gave player A a white 2013 Cadillac Escalade registered in Batesville MS. Doesn't take much legwork to find out 'who' is driving that caddy.

Personal information is OMMITTED. You still haven't explained 'WHY' the 31 were not released.

RebFan.sixpack · Jul 3, 2013

LMAO, no I haven't explained "why" they were not released because I don't KNOW why they were not released, but I do know at least 1 other fact...you don't either. I gave you a plausible explanation. You disagree. That's fine. I'm sure every other athletic compliance department in the SEC (with the exception of MSUs, of course) uses discretion about what they release to the public for lots of reasons. Its great drama, but at the end of the day...meh, on to football season

paindonthurt_ · Jul 3, 2013

Yeah I thought that was pretty clear too.

horshack.sixpack · Jul 3, 2013

RebFan said:
Wasn't either of those things for Golson. It was so simple to flip him. Just had to key on what the kid loves to do besides football. Simple really, but no FSU (or MSU) fan would ever believe it. The true story is funny and ironic

And there you have it. Easy answer. Ole Miss is the only school that knows what the kid loves to do besides football. Brilliant but simple. Maybe if we pour vast resources into research we can figure it out too!**

RebFan.sixpack · Jul 3, 2013

FSU might have known, but they didn't act on their knowledge. There's a difference. FSU probably didn't think they had to go the extra mile. I mean, we are lil OM, right?

DerHntr · Jul 3, 2013

I'll give you credit. This is some very high quality trolling right here.

Buford T. Justice · Jul 3, 2013

jacksonreb said:
why do you consider HF's move dumb? i'm kind of a "put up or shut up" kind of guy myself. IF Freeze believes he has nothing to hide (or that its well enough hidden) then i like it. if you got something bring it. if not STFU. i kind of like it.

You are a put up or shut up kind of guy? I'll bet you $10,000 I have an email I sent to Ole Miss compliance pointing out an infraction, and they responded that they knew of the infraction. Would you like to play?

Bottom line is that Freeze and Ole Miss is lying. Wanna take the bet jacksonreb?

Buford T. Justice · Jul 3, 2013

We can make it $20,000. Cash. Let's do it or STFU.

asdf

SkullCandy.sixpack · Jul 3, 2013

Are y'all talking about Senquez Golson? The kid that turned down the Red Sox who drafted him out of high school? Surely no one is suggesting the U of OM outbid the Red Sox? If this was the same kid, it was obviously something else other than money that flipped him, because the notion that the bears offered more than the legit $1,000,000 plus the Red Sox offered is insane.

RebFan.sixpack · Jul 3, 2013

No, Austin Golson, the #10 ranked offensive tackle from Prattville, Alabama. Signed with us last yr, but was committed to FSU before he visited us. Didn't get a lot of press cause of Tunsil, but good player

Lawdawg.sixpack · Jul 3, 2013

The fundamental problem with your position though, is that confidentiality of sources of info is NOT an exception to Mississippi's public records act. This is not a criminal investigation and we're not talking about whistleblowers.

For that matter, I can see how FERPA would restrict the recruit's name (if he chose to enroll at UM), but not the other info rebfan says would be redacted.

RebFan.sixpack · Jul 3, 2013

No trolling. Look, the kid is a country boy from Prattville Al. FSU tryed to WOW him with the glammer of all that is FSU and Tallahassee. We took a different approach. Anyone who suggests that this kid was hung up on the cash, boats, and hoes is WAAAAAY off base. Coach 66's post made me laugh

Dawgdom · Jul 3, 2013

Have you sent these to Veazy? He was requesting these yesterday.

Arloguthrie · Jul 3, 2013

I'm not a high roller like you, Buford, but I'll bet you $2.36 that Ole Miss compliance did not concede that an infraction occurred. So when you say "they responded that they knew of the infraction," I've got $2.36 that says they merely said they were already aware of whatever rumor you reported.

Buford T. Justice · Jul 3, 2013

Arloguthrie said:
I'm not a high roller like you, Buford, but I'll bet you $2.36 that Ole Miss compliance did not concede that an infraction occurred. So when you say "they responded that they knew of the infraction," I've got $2.36 that says they merely said they were already aware of whatever rumor you reported.

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tuku 2 · Jul 3, 2013

Do you like the way Bracky Brett handles the compliance department at State?

Optimus Prime 4 · Jul 3, 2013

I actually flew with Austin Golson to the Under Armour All-American game in San Antonio. He was next to me on my flight. It was the weekend he announced his visit to OM. We talked all about the school on the flight, he was asking all sorts of questions. The key however, is that he had no huge allegiance to FSU. In fact while talking, I was really surprised at how little he knew about college footaball. Coaches, rumors, etc. Then I remembered I didn't follow that stuff in high school either. He told me he was committed to FSU, but not really decided.

And Golson is just a good ole country boy. I doubt hoes and cash were what flipped him. It was probably my illegal recruiting benefits of letting him have my aisle seat. Though at that time I didn't know who he was.

These guys in OM compliance needs a job at Improv....17 hilarious

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