Well, like most of you I am a die hard dawg fan but this season is really testing my love. That Auburn game was terrible! It is time to start reaching out for a new coach. I didn't feel this way before the season but because the way last year ended and now the way this year is beginning I have changed my tune. Mullen has done some good things but nothing to protect him from the decisions he has made lately. Time to get another young offensive minded coach who's offense is not so bland. We have the talent to do so but Mullen's doesn't seem to maximize it. For instance, Oklahoma State has almost identical recruits that we do and look at their offense and yes I compared several years worth of recruits. It is gonna suck to have to start over but what would we really lose?
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and if HUD didn't work out, we would NEVER be able to find a decent replacement. Who would go to a school in the SEC WEST where the bottom dwelling school fires their coach after his first losing year after 4 straight bowls?? I can't believe we are 3 games into the season, and are already talking about firing the first HC we've had with a winning record (when they left) since the 1950s.
What this kind of talk does is scare off potential recruits, and we are a tough enough recruit already. Get our first taste of winning with Dan, and now be are addicted to it like it's something we should have had all along.
It's not that we are getting worse, as much as the other SEC teams are getting better. The SEC takes the recruits it wants, and the rest of the country fights over what's left. Of the present teams recruiting in the Top 10 FIVE are from the SEC, and NINE of the Top 20 are SEC schools. I don't give a sh*t if we resurrect Lombardi, we won't win without better recruiting.
Mississippi, with the lowest population of any school in the SEC has TWO SEC teams, while the three most populous schools (Texas, Fla and Georgia) have only one. To recruit better, we need to win the state first. And threads like this do NOTHING but hurt that. You want a coach gone, at least wait until after the end of the recruiting year to start the lynch mobs. This kind of thread will sabotage our efforts and make sure Dan's teams suck.
Then again--maybe that's the plan...
What this kind of talk does is scare off potential recruits, and we are a tough enough recruit already. Get our first taste of winning with Dan, and now be are addicted to it like it's something we should have had all along.
It's not that we are getting worse, as much as the other SEC teams are getting better. The SEC takes the recruits it wants, and the rest of the country fights over what's left. Of the present teams recruiting in the Top 10 FIVE are from the SEC, and NINE of the Top 20 are SEC schools. I don't give a sh*t if we resurrect Lombardi, we won't win without better recruiting.
Mississippi, with the lowest population of any school in the SEC has TWO SEC teams, while the three most populous schools (Texas, Fla and Georgia) have only one. To recruit better, we need to win the state first. And threads like this do NOTHING but hurt that. You want a coach gone, at least wait until after the end of the recruiting year to start the lynch mobs. This kind of thread will sabotage our efforts and make sure Dan's teams suck.
Then again--maybe that's the plan...
you think Mullen as quit on us?
If you honestly think that Mullen has lost all self-respect for himself and actually quit on us you are an idiot.
even if he doesn't care for us anymore what good would quitting us do for him? certainly wouldn't do any good for
future job placement. Then again,look at Ellis Johnson
If you honestly think that Mullen has lost all self-respect for himself and actually quit on us you are an idiot.
even if he doesn't care for us anymore what good would quitting us do for him? certainly wouldn't do any good for
future job placement. Then again,look at Ellis Johnson
Please tell me you didn't graduate from MSU. Your sentence structure sounds like one of those guys panhandling down on 6th street here in Austin.
I'll answer the first question since it does make some sense. What do I expect? I expect not to slit my wrists after 3 games. I know we crapped out last season but you have to wait until the season is over to make a full grade. I'm not saying I disagree with anything said about Mullen's coaching ability. What I am saying is talk about canning a coach this early in the season makes us look desperate.
I have something else to remind you folks who say we can get better and beat ol' mediocrity just because we "demand better"... The same guy that hired Rick Ray would be making this hire. Keep that in the back of your mind.
Yea I went to state, my ipad didn't, wanna pick on it? Love grammar smack. Instead of being man enough to avoid the topic, how bout answer the question. What do you expect from the coach. When he got here and talked about winning it all here, were you all in? When he said he would never lose to ole miss again, were you all in? Do you even have a level to gauge success? Because fire Dan threads are everywhere, that's not one of the steps to national titles, unless your chizic, but Dan made sure chizic got the tool he needed to win it all when a recruiter would have taken that connection and made it happen. Clean slate, if Mullen loses to Troy, will you still say give it time? The good news is your dont have to think about it. You were told what to expect from the beginning.
I did answer your question. I will wait till the end of the season.
I know this is not the answer you are looking for but that is my answer. You ask what if we lose to Troy. Come back and talk to me if we end up 4-8 or worse at the end of the season. We owe him enough to wait and see what happens this season. You can play the what if game all day long. What if we beat LSU and everything clicks to the point that we win 8 or 9 games? Probably won't happen... but what if it does?
And again, I caution you to look at everything in our football and athletic department. The AD, the compliance staff, etc. Would changing a coach be enough if Dan tanked?
Making knee jerk decisions usually end bad. I just think it best to wait and see how everything plays out this season before making a judgement.
I know this is not the answer you are looking for but that is my answer. You ask what if we lose to Troy. Come back and talk to me if we end up 4-8 or worse at the end of the season. We owe him enough to wait and see what happens this season. You can play the what if game all day long. What if we beat LSU and everything clicks to the point that we win 8 or 9 games? Probably won't happen... but what if it does?
And again, I caution you to look at everything in our football and athletic department. The AD, the compliance staff, etc. Would changing a coach be enough if Dan tanked?
Making knee jerk decisions usually end bad. I just think it best to wait and see how everything plays out this season before making a judgement.
So what you are saying is, if we go 4 and 8, we should talk about whether that's acceptable or not. I'm sorry, but my expectations are greater, but I have the ability to disagree. Again, I base my real opinion of what I've seen, and I've seen us come out of the tunnel in Atlanta. The chillbumps of a team coming down the field house ramp to kick some bodies ***, not tripping over each other in the smoke. My expectations are different, maybe unrealistic, ill admit that.
I'm in the camp that says it WAY too early to be talking coaching change at this point BUT if we did swap out Mullen for Hudspeth at some point the ONE thing I feel highly confident that would improve about our program would be recruiting.
There isn't any talk if 4-8 is unacceptable. It is unacceptable. But my line of thinking is - you shouldn't fire a coach who has taken you to 3 straight bowl games b/c of one bad season. Is Mullen trending downward? Probably so. But - it's not justifiable to fire him. If we have a losing record this season - he will be on the hot seat for next season.
I said that after his 6-6 season. 2 losing seasons in a row in this day and age of college football - you should be fired.
I said that after his 6-6 season. 2 losing seasons in a row in this day and age of college football - you should be fired.
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Mullen is 30-24 been to 3 consecutive bowls and beaten his rival 3-4 years. He's also stabilized the program and has MSU on a 4 year straight sellout season along with being the main reason we have tremendous facility upgrades including the stadium. He's not going anywhere. The only change I'd like to happen is for a young new OC that plays an aggressive attacking style of offense. I'll take any coach on offense that currently works for Oregon as the new OC here.
I'll say it this way
the offense has been pathetic since mid year last year. I believe wilson was out of his depth last year from the jump. I haven't decided on collins yet, because no DC with our depth can make it work when your defense is on the field 3/4 of the game. LSU defensive depth? Yes, we'd be fine but we're not them. I am not sure who's calling the plays. That area is cloak and dagger. most of the country moves the ball on offense without a whole lot of effort with far less talent than we have. I may be a fly in the ointment, but I think we have as much or more talent now than any time I have ever followed MSU (let's say the Don Smith era is the beginning of my tenure). We have holes, yes but plenty enough good players to beat Auburn. I'd rank our talent within the top 30 nationally.
Mullen is no doubt a hardheaded billygoat of a man. I despise the play calling, and the way he decides who plays. We might as well make everyone play with one arm tied behind their back. that is what this playcalling amounts to, playing handicapped.
I say give it until the end of the year. You better make some changes in play calling right 17ing now though or we will not win 4. If he doesn't change the play calling by the end of the year, force him to do so. Hire a really good OC at the end of the year (Troy's if he lights us up again), mullen moves to CEO duties, make a call on Collins, pay assistants more.
the offense has been pathetic since mid year last year. I believe wilson was out of his depth last year from the jump. I haven't decided on collins yet, because no DC with our depth can make it work when your defense is on the field 3/4 of the game. LSU defensive depth? Yes, we'd be fine but we're not them. I am not sure who's calling the plays. That area is cloak and dagger. most of the country moves the ball on offense without a whole lot of effort with far less talent than we have. I may be a fly in the ointment, but I think we have as much or more talent now than any time I have ever followed MSU (let's say the Don Smith era is the beginning of my tenure). We have holes, yes but plenty enough good players to beat Auburn. I'd rank our talent within the top 30 nationally.
Mullen is no doubt a hardheaded billygoat of a man. I despise the play calling, and the way he decides who plays. We might as well make everyone play with one arm tied behind their back. that is what this playcalling amounts to, playing handicapped.
I say give it until the end of the year. You better make some changes in play calling right 17ing now though or we will not win 4. If he doesn't change the play calling by the end of the year, force him to do so. Hire a really good OC at the end of the year (Troy's if he lights us up again), mullen moves to CEO duties, make a call on Collins, pay assistants more.
http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...te-wastes-106-million-on-overrated-dan-mullen
Read this and tell me he's a good coach. He needs to be fired yesterday.
Read this and tell me he's a good coach. He needs to be fired yesterday.
Did you really just link a story from Bleacher Report written in January 2011? Rebel troll
The fact you said I am switching my fandom after a 9-4 season at Mississippi State means you have another agenda.
Because every single article I've ever seen on that site has been complete garbage.
I expect HUD to do what an FCS team did. Beat K-State. It's also too early to make any determination about ULL, but I can tell you that state is bound for a poor season probably 5-7. No, I am not happy or ok with that. But it doesn't call for drastic measures such as firing someone for one losing season.
I'm not reading this whole thread, but I'm with you Triton (Not with you on all the goofy **** you're saying...but with you on the "hire Hud now" part). We should hire Hudspeth while the cupboard is still full instead of letting Mullen ruin what he built first. Hudspeth will not do any worse than Mullen, but in my opinion he could have a higher ceiling since he has southern ties and could recruit better more than likely.
just make damn sure he will say yes before firing Merlin though....or else we'll end up with Wake Forest's Tight End coach after Stricklin's coaching search
just make damn sure he will say yes before firing Merlin though....or else we'll end up with Wake Forest's Tight End coach after Stricklin's coaching search
I still don't understand the love affair with Hudspeth. I watched them play Arkansas State last year, and he got beat by Malzahn. He's 1-2 this year ... the same as us at the moment ... and he lost to debatably lesser teams than we have (Arkansas and Kansas State as opposed to Oklahoma State and Auburn). And the single wins each has were blowouts over vastly inferior teams.
Could he recruit better in Mississippi? Possibly. But not necessarily ... I'm not sure the "southern ties" are all that important, and might even be detrimental for some recruits. I have no problem at all with Mullen being non-southern ... that has nothing to do with his coaching ability (or perhaps lack of it as demonstrated lately).
Could he recruit better in Mississippi? Possibly. But not necessarily ... I'm not sure the "southern ties" are all that important, and might even be detrimental for some recruits. I have no problem at all with Mullen being non-southern ... that has nothing to do with his coaching ability (or perhaps lack of it as demonstrated lately).
So he is supposed to beat Arkansas and Kansas State at ULL?? Hell, Mullen probably couldn't beat those two this year and he coaches at a SEC school.
and Mullen's Yankee-ness may not affect coaching style...but it does affect recruiting in the south.
That's what I'm saying ... I don't agree with your last statement. Would you rather he come across as basically a total buffoon like Freeze? And his biggest recruits aren't from Mississippi (thinking of Nkemdiche).
Should ULL have beat Ark and KSU? Maybe ... KSU was just beaten by South Dakota State (strong for their division, but not all that great), and Arkansas is way down with a new coach. Mullen just won't continue to try to score when he's ahead, unless it's somebody like Alcorn, where it's hard not to score.
Should ULL have beat Ark and KSU? Maybe ... KSU was just beaten by South Dakota State (strong for their division, but not all that great), and Arkansas is way down with a new coach. Mullen just won't continue to try to score when he's ahead, unless it's somebody like Alcorn, where it's hard not to score.
Hate to tell y'all I'm not a troll, the article is just stating the fact that he hasn't beaten anyone that's worth a crap.
Yes, if it means us getting the type of players Ole Miss got last year? Yes indeed. The only people that think Freeze comes off as a buffoon are those that are getting their *** kicked by his team and in recruiting against him.
Hudspeth is not Freeze. He would likely bring the energy and excitement but keep the "People's University" mantra. Besides, the only he could do worse than Mullen is to lose to the cupcakes on our schedule, because that's the only teams Dan can beat. The ones that are incapable of driving the length of the field when we go into our second half shutdown
It's funny when fans read an article from a source that is now proven to be 2 years smarter than our fan base, and simply call the source dumb. If ole miss were smart, they'd throw the egg bowl this year, and maybe next. That would pretty much finish us off, then they could announce it.
I don't think most people realize how perennially bad ULL was before he got there. He's done a tremendous job with that program.