There have been discussions about why admissions frowns upon/makes difficult foreign players. If they have a couple years in a U.S. school, take the standardized tests, etc., etc.....like Olah...then sure.
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There have been discussions about why admissions frowns upon/makes difficult foreign players. If they have a couple years in a U.S. school, take the standardized tests, etc., etc.....like Olah...then sure.
Admissions seems to do a lot of frowning when it comes to the BBall program. NU even struggles with graduate transfers. Consistent winning is a long way off for whoever coaches if Admissions doesn’t grant more leeway.
Yeah but my point is the situations aren't analogous. Fitz had a two-year dip after a consistent, historically unprecedented run of success. Collins has had one successful season in his entire tenure. It's not irrational to be worried about the basketball team right now.
We were talking about the football team, which had a two-year dip in 2013-14 after making the postseason five consecutive years. Try to keep up.
International recruiting is a lot tougher than it used to be. A lot of these kids are getting paid already, and some US recruits are even going overseas to get paid now, rather than going the traditional route of playing in college in the US. As noted, the real key is having assistant coaches with connections to overseas prospects. You don't just walk in to these markets and walk out with recruits.
Do we know this for a fact? It seems we offer plenty of highly-rated recruits but just can't seem to land them. I think Lathon was an outlier and was accepted, but he disqualified himself with his actions. Other than that, what other high profile recruit was a casualty of admissions?
I think Heywood has referenced a number of potential recruits, including many transfers, that NU was not able to offer because of admissions. There seems to be a general sense of frustration over admissions in regards to basketball, but not so much football. Is that because, in general, basketball recruits are not as academically accomplished, or is basketball being treated differently than football? I've suggested in the past that if Collins feels his program is being treated unfairly, I'd certainly expect him to make his case to Phillips and the administration. Perhaps that has already been done, to no avail. But basketball recruiting is definitely a different animal than football for many of the reasons that have already been noted in this thread.
Your right and Heyward has also stated that they couldn't even offer some grad transfers. You know kike guys who have completed four years of college and have a degree. If these admission policies continue, Collins will leave and it will be very hard for NU to attract a top of the line coach.
While I think it's changed and is changing, in the Chicago area, the traditional top hs bball programs do not overlap with the top football programs. The former are closer to the city center and are predominantly public schools, and the latter are further from the city center and suburban or private schools. You don't send a kid to Simeon because you want her to qualify academically for NU.
The sports are very different in the constructs they impart to the athlete. Football is a very hierarchical, institution-based endeavor where there is heavy, heavy dependance on other teammates and coaches. That carries over to studies.
Sure, there is some of that in basketball, but not nearly to the same degree. And there are some pretty f'd up individuals who can't pass the state civics exam (7th grade) and who would wash out in a week if their sport was football, who get into D1 programs.
And because basketball is built for AAU, and that concept is impossible for football, the AAU coaches are involved and they use the kids like currency.
Let me acknowledge that the above risks gross generalizations. The point is that they are vastly different enterprises and really not comparable.
Gosh, I wish we could land a couple Vedran Vukusics soon to fill out our roster. Even Carmody realized that at NU, the international route would be necessary to get some players. I remember when we had TJ Parker and Mohammed Hachad, more than half the guys playing for us spoke a primary different language than english. I was really disappointed when the 7-footer frosh that year from a western european country decided to go pro instead of playing for NU. I was told that he would have made us a lot better.
We had so many Europeans duds, though. VV was really the only standout European kid we had in all of those years.
So the reports that BBV has a stress fracture are false? You can talk video and scouts mentioning him all you want, but if our coach signed someone he has never seen or met in person, I would be all over him. And the video I have seen of him was vs. extremely weak competition, to put it charitably. And did I mention all of his other offers to play basketball in the states? No, because that would be zero. But don't worry, I'm sure you latched on to someone that all the powerful basketball recruiting machines out there missed....
And that performance against Khalil Whitney? If I was 6' 10' 240 I would hope that I could dominate a player who is 6-6 190 soaking wet (if I recall watching that tape correctly, Khalil was forced to guard Kouma since his team had no big men-- and his team still won despite that "dominant" performance-- but correct me if I am wrong, this is going off total recall). But what I certainly know is that he was a 247-composite unranked surprising late add with only 3 other D-I offers, with Illinois being the best offer by far, and he played against generally lackluster competition in that private school league that he is in .He is a project, and if Illinois is smart, they will redshirt him, but I don't know if they can now given the Kane transfer.
And no, I did not say similar things about Giorgi B., who had a Minnesota offer, and played that for that little "prep team" as you call it, known by solid high school basketball observers as the school that was formerly St. Patrick's of Elizabeth a perennial state, and sometimes national, power that plays against nationally-ranked competition. A guy name Kyrie Irving went there, perhaps you've heard of him! Can you see how his resume contrasts with Kouma's and BBV's just a tad?
But enough about these players, Ayo and Kofi are the real beasts on your team, imo. If they have excellent seasons, BU should absolutely fired (but he won't be) if you don't go to the Dance...
Thanks for mocking our player and helping out here as always, though! I have a feeling that guys like Pete Nance, Miller Kopp and Robbie Beran who had 68 offers between them from the likes of Michigan, Purdue, OSU, Maryland, Wisky, Texas A&M, etc. are going to have something to say about this newfound Illini superiority complex once Ayo, and perhaps Kofi, are in the NBA...
Most of the guys affected by admissions, we cannot even offer. Lathon was not one of those and was more after the fact
BBV has a hot spot, not a stress fracture. They are being careful with it. That has nothing to do with his ability.
I have no feeling of superiority. My team has struggled for some time. I expect improvement but nothing is guaranteed.
I replied to you because your posts about Illinois are biased and uninformed.
It’s fine that your posts about NU are filled with purple koolaid. That’s your business on your board. Stick with that.
I have no feeling of superiority. My team has struggled for some time. I expect improvement but nothing is guaranteed.
I replied to you because your posts about Illinois are biased and uninformed.
It’s fine that your posts about NU are filled with purple koolaid. That’s your business on your board. Stick with that.
Actually Mike can post about anything he wants to post about and you are free to respond to any such post. This is the NU site, it shouldn’t be a surprise that the Illini are not the favorite team of some posters. I suspect NU is not a favorite on the Illini forums. Rivals doesn’t have an active Illini free board, but TOS has some unflattering commentary about the Cats. Comes with the territory.
I didn't invent the strss frature thin you know, it was piblicly reporeted
Shiw me the parts of my lasr post that were factually incorrect. The stress fracture thing was publicly reported, and you didn't mention any health issues in your prior post.
Those 10 practices before the trip, at least some of which he is missing now, are criticsl to his develipment, as he is a very late add that otherwise had not been able to participate in team activities. I will go out on a limb snd say I would be surprised if he contributes at all this season.
Kouma, on the other hand, may be forced to contribute rather than redshirt now that Kane is gone, as your depth at big iappears to be thin. Of course, I'd like to see Kofi play 30 minutes+ at the 5 and Gioirgi the same at the 4, making that largely a moot point, enabling them to go small for the remainimg minutes and perhaps be able to redshirt Kouma after all.
I really do like your team this year save for the depth issue,
Nothing about your post, but I find myself enjoying many of your comments (minus the swami ones) as your perspective is 'spot on'.
I'm actually looking forward to this year because of their predicament and the bar being set low. When I say I will be surprised if we win more than 4 BT games, I'm being honest, but as long as they play hard and take opportunity then it will be a fun season, if one has the hope that things will get better.
Once two guys leave IL for the NBA. Wish we could have those type of future problems.
That’s comical coming from you. Why haven’t you shown your face on the football board the last couple of years? We’ve missed your “biased and uninformed” posts. How is the “great hire” of Lovie Smith working out for you guys? Is the turnaround going to happen this year?