This is a wonderful example of responsible gun ownership.....

[RichardPeterJohnson]

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ing-suspect-auburn-hills-home-depot/73467882/

This reminds me of some the the morons who were in my handgun carry permit class I took several years ago. It was more dangerous sitting in this class with these jackass waving their guns around than it would be to walk through downtown Huntington at 2 am.

 

[rog1187]

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ing-suspect-auburn-hills-home-depot/73467882/

This reminds me of some the the morons who were in my handgun carry permit class I took several years ago. It was more dangerous sitting in this class with these jackass waving their guns around than it would be to walk through downtown Huntington at 2 am.

Wow she hit one of the tires...I can't think that's easy to do on a moving vehicle.

 

[Airport]

I agree with you on this, no reason to discharge a weapon out in a parking lot.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I agree with you on this, no reason to discharge a weapon out in a parking lot.

Or for trying to stop someone from shoplifting. It's a non-violent crime.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Or for trying to stop someone from shoplifting. It's a non-violent crime.

From my experience in seeing the people taking the carry class, it is disturbing to know that there are complete morons out there carrying. This woman is a classic example. The questions that were asked to the instructor (who was no rocket scientist, herself) were incredibly stupid. A lot of them were frustrated policemen with a Chuck Norris complex. I still cringe about the lack of safety shown during this class and the complete lack of effort by the instructor to educate in that regard. And some of the women in this class could hardly hold their weapon steady. How some passed the shooting accuracy test is beyond me.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

From my experience in seeing the people taking the carry class, it is disturbing to know that there are complete morons out there carrying. This woman is a classic example. The questions that were asked to the instructor (who was no rocket scientist, herself) were incredibly stupid. A lot of them were frustrated policemen with a Chuck Norris complex. I still cringe about the lack of safety shown during this class and the complete lack of effort by the instructor to educate in that regard. And some of the women in this class could hardly hold their weapon steady. How some passed the shooting accuracy test is beyond me.

As I've said many times. I think everyone should own a gun and possibly carry a gun. I don't think everyone is responsible enough to do so however.

 

[WVUBRU]

As I've said many times. I think everyone should own a gun and possibly carry a gun. I don't think everyone is responsible enough to do so however.

I own hunting rifles. I think I am responsible enough to carry. I will never carry and disagree with your assertion. I want a society where people don't feel that way and my attitude is strive for that type of society.

 

[bamaEER]

This illurstrates the problem with carrying a gun and having that kind of power at your fingertips. It's one thing to protect yourself, but this broad thinks she can play cop.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

As I've said many times. I think everyone should own a gun and possibly carry a gun. I don't think everyone is responsible enough to do so however.

That statement confuses the hell out of me ... LOL

This kind of thing are the types of incidents that come to mind when people say "if there were more guns there would be less crime". No. It would be infinitely more dangerous because the vast majority of people are not rational enough and well trained enough to decide when they should shoot and when they shouldn't. Luckily no innocent bystander was killed because this woman decided this guy deserved to die for stealing a screwdriver (or whatever the hell it was), from a multi-billion dollar company.

Leave the shooting and the law enforcement to the professionals. Yes. It might prevent some of the mass shootings like in Oregon, but IMO it would create a ton more problems in situations like this.

 

[rog1187]

This illurstrates the problem with carrying a gun and having that kind of power at your fingertips. It's one thing to protect yourself, but this broad thinks she can play cop.

That's a pretty broad statement do you think...she is one person with a carry permit...how many people do you know that carry and never pull it out?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

That statement confuses the hell out of me ... LOL

This kind of thing are the types of incidents that come to mind when people say "if there were more guns there would be less crime". No. It would be infinitely more dangerous because the vast majority of people are not rational enough and well trained enough to decide when they should shoot and when they shouldn't. Luckily no innocent bystander was killed because this woman decided this guy deserved to die for stealing a screwdriver (or whatever the hell it was), from a multi-billion dollar company.

Leave the shooting and the law enforcement to the professionals. Yes. It might prevent some of the mass shootings like in Oregon, but IMO it would create a ton more problems in situations like this.

Well the problem with the assertion of letting law enforcement deal with the problems is that a cop is minutes away when seconds are what matter. They really don't "prevent" a lot of crime. I'm of the belief that people are less likely to commit violent crimes if they know there is real possibility that the victim is armed. In today's society, you can pretty much guarantee the majority of people aren't armed especially in states that aren't "shall issue"

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

That's a pretty broad statement do you think...she is one person with a carry permit...how many people do you know that carry and never pull it out?

I use to pull it out at every opportunity. Then I got married.

 

[rog1187]

That statement confuses the hell out of me ... LOL

This kind of thing are the types of incidents that come to mind when people say "if there were more guns there would be less crime". No. It would be infinitely more dangerous because the vast majority of people are not rational enough and well trained enough to decide when they should shoot and when they shouldn't. Luckily no innocent bystander was killed because this woman decided this guy deserved to die for stealing a screwdriver (or whatever the hell it was), from a multi-billion dollar company.

Leave the shooting and the law enforcement to the professionals. Yes. It might prevent some of the mass shootings like in Oregon, but IMO it would create a ton more problems in situations like this.

At the least she should probably have her permit suspended (if that's possible) until it can be determined the facts of the case...and if she is capable of continuing to carry.

 

[Mntneer]

That statement confuses the hell out of me ... LOL

This kind of thing are the types of incidents that come to mind when people say "if there were more guns there would be less crime". No. It would be infinitely more dangerous because the vast majority of people are not rational enough and well trained enough to decide when they should shoot and when they shouldn't. Luckily no innocent bystander was killed because this woman decided this guy deserved to die for stealing a screwdriver (or whatever the hell it was), from a multi-billion dollar company.

Leave the shooting and the law enforcement to the professionals. Yes. It might prevent some of the mass shootings like in Oregon, but IMO it would create a ton more problems in situations like this.

Many "professionals" are ****** shots.

I would argue the vast majority of people have no interest in carrying. I know many people with a CCW permit but have never carried a day in their lives.

I'd stress that anyone that does want to carry buy reliable equipment, a good holster and that they practice drawing from that holster often. I'd also recommend that they look into local IDPA matches, where defensive shooting is practiced. Not only can it help someone with their skills in drawing from concealment, shooting from cover, situational awareness, it's also a fun sport.

 

[Mntneer]

At the least she should probably have her permit suspended (if that's possible) until it can be determined the facts of the case...and if she is capable of continuing to carry.

She probably will.

 

[bornaneer]

And some of the women in this class could hardly hold their weapon steady. How some passed the shooting accuracy test is beyond me.

You will need that carry permit NOW more then ever.......

 

[rog1187]

Many "professionals" are ****** shots.

I would argue the vast majority of people have no interest in carrying. I know many people with a CCW permit but have never carried a day in their lives.

I'd stress that anyone that does want to carry buy reliable equipment, a good holster and that they practice drawing from that holster often. I'd also recommend that they look into local IDPA matches, where defensive shooting is practiced. Not only can it help someone with their skills in drawing from concealment, shooting from cover, situational awareness, it's also a fun sport.

I was watching a special (Safe Haven on the Outdoor Channel) on gun free zones...Harrold School District in Texas has allowed it's school personnel to carry since 2007...part of the process is training...per the administrator in the special - only the Texas State police get more training than his personnel.

 

[bamaEER]

That's a pretty broad statement do you think...she is one person with a carry permit...how many people do you know that carry and never pull it out?

My statement was dead on. She had that kind of fire power at her fingertips and she thought she was a cop. The temptation to use the power is the problem in people like her because she doesn't have a clue when she should or should not use it.

 

[COOL MAN]

Many "professionals" are ****** shots.

I would argue the vast majority of people have no interest in carrying. I know many people with a CCW permit but have never carried a day in their lives.

I'd stress that anyone that does want to carry buy reliable equipment, a good holster and that they practice drawing from that holster often. I'd also recommend that they look into local IDPA matches, where defensive shooting is practiced. Not only can it help someone with their skills in drawing from concealment, shooting from cover, situational awareness, it's also a fun sport.

Really.....how many is "many" ??

I'm not asking that to be a smart ***; I'd honestly like to understand the rationale as to why anyone.....and I realize you weren't talking about yourself......would go to the trouble of securing such a permit with (apparently) no intention of carrying what they're permitted to, well, carry.

Unlike a Drivers License which someone might secure solely for identification purposes.....which I doubt too many folks would actually do, for cost reasons if no other....perhaps a CCW is suitable for personal ID purposes (though I don't know if they have a photograph of the owner or, for that matter, if they're viewed by anyone as acceptable for ID purposes).

OTOH, I suppose some of those individuals might do this simply to exercise their rights; which I suppose is their political prerogative. But, that strikes me personally as kind-of silly.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Really.....how many is "many" ??

I'm not asking that to be a smart ***; I'd honestly like to understand the rationale as to why anyone.....and I realize you weren't talking about yourself......would go to the trouble of securing such a permit with (apparently) no intention of carrying what they're permitted to, well, carry.

Unlike a Drivers License which someone might secure solely for identification purposes.....which I doubt too many folks would actually do, for cost reasons if no other....perhaps a CCW is suitable for personal ID purposes (though I don't know if they have a photograph of the owner or, for that matter, if they're viewed by anyone as acceptable for ID purposes).

OTOH, I suppose some of those individuals might do this simply to exercise their rights; which I suppose is their political prerogative. But, that strikes me personally as kind-of silly.

I have a valid CCW in 32 states. I cannot legally carry in my own.

 

[Mntneer]

Really.....how many is "many" ??

I'm not asking that to be a smart ***; I'd honestly like to understand the rationale as to why anyone.....and I realize you weren't talking about yourself......would go to the trouble of securing such a permit with (apparently) no intention of carrying what they're permitted to, well, carry.

Unlike a Drivers License which someone might secure solely for identification purposes.....which I doubt too many folks would actually do, for cost reasons if no other....perhaps a CCW is suitable for personal ID purposes (though I don't know if they have a photograph of the owner or, for that matter, if they're viewed by anyone as acceptable for ID purposes).

OTOH, I suppose some of those individuals might do this simply to exercise their rights; which I suppose is their political prerogative. But, that strikes me personally as kind-of silly.

I think it's a tad silly as well, but for some they wanted to take a class in firearm instruction, and while they were at it figured they might as well to get their CCW permit and have the option or ability to carry should they ever choose to. Others carry, but not often, certainly not like I do.

 

[Mntneer]

I have a valid CCW in 32 states. I cannot legally carry in my own.

I met a Frederick County (Maryland) Police Office this past weekend and he tells me that he can't carry in Maryland while off duty, that he faces the same ******** in Maryland as I do.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

At the least she should probably have her permit suspended (if that's possible) until it can be determined the facts of the case...and if she is capable of continuing to carry.

At the very least is right. I would hope she is charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm. If I were a bystander, I would be tempted to file a civil suit against her for endangering my life.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

If I were a bystander, I would be tempted to file a civil suit against her for endangering my life.

Depending on LOF, that one would be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Well the problem with the assertion of letting law enforcement deal with the problems is that a cop is minutes away when seconds are what matter. They really don't "prevent" a lot of crime. I'm of the belief that people are less likely to commit violent crimes if they know there is real possibility that the victim is armed. In today's society, you can pretty much guarantee the majority of people aren't armed especially in states that aren't "shall issue"

I can't disagree with a single thing you said. The other side of it is the point I made, which I believe is also valid. Would it be a net positive, or a net negative? I think there would be a lot of examples of both, my personal feeling is it would be a net negative. To me, it's better for somebody to get away with a crime than for an innocent bystander to get hurt or killed. Sometimes the crime is the hurt and kill of an innocent bystander (and that's different), but in this case it wasn't.

You are speaking more broadly and I totally understand your point. In this particular incident the "victim" was Home Depot. That's a lot different than somebody breaking into your house or somebody being victimized in some other way.

I just don't trust people to be responsible. I honestly don't think the majority of people can be trusted to make good decisions. There are a lot of people that I know that could be trusted to, but I feel they are in the minority ... we do, after all, live in a society that hangs on every move a Kardashian makes.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Depending on LOF, that one would be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

If I were on the other side of the vehicle that she was firing at, sure. And for civil suits, it only takes a preponderance of the evidence (more evidence one way than another), not beyond a reasonable doubt (which is a overwhelming majority of the evidence).

 

[bornaneer]

At the very least is right. I would hope she is charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm. If I were a bystander, I would be tempted to file a civil suit against her for endangering my life.

I'm tempted to file a civil suit against you and other several posters on this board for all the mental anguish I have suffered. You harass me all the time about "reading comprehension", falsely accuse me of being a "dropout" just because of a few run- on sentences and try to "bully"me most of the time.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

I'm tempted to file a civil suit against you and other several posters on this board for all the mental anguish I have suffered. You harass me all the time about "reading comprehension", falsely accuse me of being a "dropout" just because of a few run- on sentences and try to "bully"me most of the time.

Good luck. [laughing]

 

[mule_eer]

I'm tempted to file a civil suit against you and other several posters on this board for all the mental anguish I have suffered. You harass me all the time about "reading comprehension", falsely accuse me of being a "dropout" just because of a few run- on sentences and try to "bully"me most of the time.

You choose to continue to put yourself in this situation. That's your option, hence your responsibility. If you are a poor schmoe driving to the hardware store to pick up a bag of mulch, you didn't knowingly put yourself in a situation to be in the line of fire of Annie Oakley. I'm not saying that he would win the suit, but I don't think it would be kicked out of court.

Regardless, property crimes like this are not a legal justification for her to be firing her gun, permitted or not. She has to be in fear for her life or the lives of others. She didn't make people safer, she made them less safe.

 

[Airport]

Who was the pro football player that shot himself in the leg while in a night club in NY?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Who was the pro football player that shot himself in the leg while in a night club in NY?

Plaxico Burress

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

If I were on the other side of the vehicle that she was firing at, sure. And for civil suits, it only takes a preponderance of the evidence (more evidence one way than another), not beyond a reasonable doubt (which is a overwhelming majority of the evidence).

Thats why I said depending on the Line of Fire and where you were.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I can't disagree with a single thing you said. The other side of it is the point I made, which I believe is also valid. Would it be a net positive, or a net negative? I think there would be a lot of examples of both, my personal feeling is it would be a net negative. To me, it's better for somebody to get away with a crime than for an innocent bystander to get hurt or killed. Sometimes the crime is the hurt and kill of an innocent bystander (and that's different), but in this case it wasn't.

You are speaking more broadly and I totally understand your point. In this particular incident the "victim" was Home Depot. That's a lot different than somebody breaking into your house or somebody being victimized in some other way.

I just don't trust people to be responsible. I honestly don't think the majority of people can be trusted to make good decisions. There are a lot of people that I know that could be trusted to, but I feel they are in the minority ... we do, after all, live in a society that hangs on every move a Kardashian makes.

I'm 99% positive it would be a net negative. A man can dream though.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Plaxico Burress

This one ... I'll never understand. If you're going someplace where you feel you might need your gun, just don't go there!!

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

This one ... I'll never understand. If you're going someplace where you feel you might need your gun, just don't go there!!

Easy for you to say. You live in WV, the only time you need a gun is driving up 79 because of the overpopulation of deer.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Easy for you to say. You live in WV, the only time you need a gun is driving up 79 because of the overpopulation of deer.

Yeah, I expected this kind of response even as I was typing it. (I don't mean that in a snarky way)

I-79 looks like a slasher flick this time of year with blood and carcasses all over the place. I haven't had a deer strike in a few years, luckily.

Some places are just dangerous and are hard to avoid. I was mostly talking about going out to a club or things like that. Just don't go. Of course, I went out to bars/clubs all the time when I was young and maybe those places are simply more dangerous these days than they used to be. I imagine if I was that age I'd still be going anyway.

Not only do I live in WV, but in a small town too. Our doors aren't even locked most of the time. I had some sunglasses stolen out of my car and loose change taken out of my console ... that's the worst I've been a victim of.

So, you're right, it's easy for me to say stuff like that living in my safe little bubble.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Yeah, I expected this kind of response even as I was typing it. (I don't mean that in a snarky way)

I-79 looks like a slasher flick this time of year with blood and carcasses all over the place. I haven't had a deer strike in a few years, luckily.

Some places are just dangerous and are hard to avoid. I was mostly talking about going out to a club or things like that. Just don't go. Of course, I went out to bars/clubs all the time when I was young and maybe those places are simply more dangerous these days than they used to be. I imagine if I was that age I'd still be going anyway.

Not only do I live in WV, but in a small town too. Our doors aren't even locked most of the time. I had some sunglasses stolen out of my car and loose change taken out of my console ... that's the worst I've been a victim of.

So, you're right, it's easy for me to say stuff like that living in my safe little bubble.

Where in WV do you live? You don't need to give your address, just curious.

As to the rest, if you are going out anywhere in the city that is a hotspot, you can pretty much guarantee a criminal element in there. I mean hey, they want to get laid as well. Being older now, I tend to go to nicer establishments where the bad crowd is usually priced out of attendance.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Where in WV do you live? You don't need to give your address, just curious.

As to the rest, if you are going out anywhere in the city that is a hotspot, you can pretty much guarantee a criminal element in there. I mean hey, they want to get laid as well. Being older now, I tend to go to nicer establishments where the bad crowd is usually priced out of attendance.

I live East of Clarksburg and work in the Clarksburg/Bridgeport area.

I am out of touch with what things are like in the cities. I've visited but never lived in any large city.