this is for the "Ricky averages 20 wins" crowd
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13 of our 23 wins were against the SEC. I'm sure than a large percentage of those 120 or so teams were ****** teams in ****** conferences. Its the same teams that you make fun of Stansbury for stacking up against in the non-conference. I understand your point though.
you are not ok with being in the top 1/3 of the country?
I'll keep that in mind when you are sucking Dan Mullen's rod when he has us in the top 35.
I'll keep that in mind when you are sucking Dan Mullen's rod when he has us in the top 35.
As in 6 of the last 7 years based on the unbiased and accurate Pomeroy computer ratings. So, the next question is "So you consider that to be acceptable?" or the next comment is "but after this year we will have been to the NCAAs only once in five years".
I will simply say that that is absolutely good enough for me and most other MSU fans with a sense of history and reasonable expectations. It is more than I ever honestly expected we would be able to do at MSU. Consistent success is important and it will result in a nice run or more in the NCAAs eventually, just like consistency produces success in most other things.
I will simply say that that is absolutely good enough for me and most other MSU fans with a sense of history and reasonable expectations. It is more than I ever honestly expected we would be able to do at MSU. Consistent success is important and it will result in a nice run or more in the NCAAs eventually, just like consistency produces success in most other things.
but to continue to bash Stans at this point is silly. I'll give you this though, if we don't make the NIT this year and don't go to the big dance next year, then it is time to seriously consider making a coaching change. But I can see this team improving as the season moves on. So I think Stans will do well enough to keep Byrne off his back.
SEC West Champions
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SEC Champions
2004
SEC Tournament Champions
2002
NCAA Tournament
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NIT
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In 2001, we got hosed and shoulda made the NCAA tournament . We had the highest RPI of any team that didnt make the tournament. Yes Stansbury has never made the Sweet 16, but do you consider Mike Bianco a bad baseball coach for Ole Miss, or just someone who has not won the big game yet? Get a life Coach.
2003
2004
2007
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SEC Champions
2004
SEC Tournament Champions
2002
NCAA Tournament
2002
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2004
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NIT
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In 2001, we got hosed and shoulda made the NCAA tournament . We had the highest RPI of any team that didnt make the tournament. Yes Stansbury has never made the Sweet 16, but do you consider Mike Bianco a bad baseball coach for Ole Miss, or just someone who has not won the big game yet? Get a life Coach.
But I will point out one incredible dubmass flaw in your logic here. You say that winning 20 per year isn't that big of a deal because 105 coaches (out of 320+) did it last year. But it's a lot harder to average 20 wins per year than to win 20 games in any one year (just ask Rod Barnes if you don't believe me). Come back and let us know how many coaches have won 200+ games in the last 10 years like Stans has. I can guaran-damn-tee you there will be a hell of a lot less than 105 names on that list.
...Byrne has already proven to you & everybody else he has an itchy trigger finger when it comes to firing underachieving MSU coaches.
Stansbury is no different; Stansbury could milk LT with the "we are young" scam from now until 2015.
But not Byrne.
Byrne will fire your loathsome Ricky if Ricky continues to put a poorly coached product on the floor.
Please accept that fact & quit beating this dead horse.
You keep trying to get 4 posters to agree with you on something Byrne already agrees with you on.
& it makes you look like an idiot.
Stansbury is no different; Stansbury could milk LT with the "we are young" scam from now until 2015.
But not Byrne.
Byrne will fire your loathsome Ricky if Ricky continues to put a poorly coached product on the floor.
Please accept that fact & quit beating this dead horse.
You keep trying to get 4 posters to agree with you on something Byrne already agrees with you on.
& it makes you look like an idiot.
Same ole Coach. Hating Stansbury who is about as decent a human being as I've ever met, and he does not have to defend his record to this washed up coach. I am about to believe you are Richard Williams because your jealousy and hatred go beyond belief. If we get to the Sweet Sixteen and lose, then you'll ***** and say Ricky blew it. I sincerely feel sorry for you.</p>
To say Stans is an underachieving coach is f'n hilarious. You are a fukcing dumbass. Byrne has canned one coach. One. Unless you're counting soccer (and we all know that's not really a sport). He did not fire Polk, idiot. He hired the right man for the job, but he didn't fire Polk. And if you think averaging 20+ wins over a 10 year period in basketball is underachieving, then you are simply a complete fool. Byrne on the other hand, is not a complete fool. Stans will be here for longer than all of you idiots want to think he'll be. He is the winningest coach in MSU basketball history. There is A LOT to be said for that.
I really wish I knew growing up how stupid our fan base really was. You have the GP'ers who will side with whatever coach is our coach simply because he's our coach, God forbid he be a ****** coach that needs to be gone. And then you have the dumbasses on this board who think we should be winning the SEC every single year and making the Sweet 16 every single year and if we go 2 years with out making the Tournament, then FIRE STANS!!!! Oh, but we could get a mid-major coach blah blah.......who cares if we could get a mid-major coach that may or may not do well in the SEC? Why should we have to risk gettting a mid-major coach when we have something solid already here? What is it about MSU basketball that makes you think we can do SO MUCH BETTER? 20+ wins a season on average isn't good enough? Really?
I really wish I knew growing up how stupid our fan base really was. You have the GP'ers who will side with whatever coach is our coach simply because he's our coach, God forbid he be a ****** coach that needs to be gone. And then you have the dumbasses on this board who think we should be winning the SEC every single year and making the Sweet 16 every single year and if we go 2 years with out making the Tournament, then FIRE STANS!!!! Oh, but we could get a mid-major coach blah blah.......who cares if we could get a mid-major coach that may or may not do well in the SEC? Why should we have to risk gettting a mid-major coach when we have something solid already here? What is it about MSU basketball that makes you think we can do SO MUCH BETTER? 20+ wins a season on average isn't good enough? Really?
...I guess your nutty rant is trying to say that Byrne has not already proven to you & everybody else Byrne has an itchy trigger finger when it comes to firing underachieving MSU coaches.BriantheDawg said:
Whatever the favorite conspiracy theory might be concerning Polk's departure, all I know is Polk underachieved hence currently a better coach has taken his place.
Same with Croom: Croom underachieved therefore a better coach has taken his place.
These turn of events validates my statement while concurrently making you look like an idiot.
And yes, if Stansbury doesn't kick it in to high gear soon, he will be gone also (probably along the lines of coach34's timetable).
And you & your gang breaking out Stansbury's historical stats over & over will (thank goodness) have no bearing on Byrne's decision concerning Stansbury.
you're trying to tell me that Polk was fired by Byrne for underachieving? Polk didn't step down, he was actually fired by an Athletic Director who was not even in place yet?
Again, I'm the idiot?
Again, I'm the idiot?
Oh, and you're right again. Successful Athletic Directors make it a good habit to fire the winningest coach in school history after going 2 years in a row of not making the Tournament. Past records mean nothing.
but if we dont make the Tourney this year, Ricky will be coaching for his job in 2009-2010.
2006- no NCAA
2007- no NCAA
2008- NCAA
2009- no NCAA
Its a "what have you done for me lately" time in college sports. No NCAA in 2010 will result in his firing- that you can bet on.
2006- no NCAA
2007- no NCAA
2008- NCAA
2009- no NCAA
Its a "what have you done for me lately" time in college sports. No NCAA in 2010 will result in his firing- that you can bet on.
...I'm going to spell it out for you on a Powe-esque level & then I'm going to drop it:
1) Since Byrne's arrival, Polk & Croom are gone. I don't really give a damn how & why, I just know they are gone. & conventional wisdom dictates they have both been replaced by better coaches.
2) Byrne's presence puts the heat on Stansbury to quit flopping in the tournament & to stop running off players which, in turn, keeps us young for years on end. Posters here like to lower Stansbury's standards by constantly posting his career stats, but I think Byrne wants to compete for a national championship in basketball. & a coach who can't even advance in the tournament, obviously, is not going to put you in the position to compete for a NC. If I'm wrong on this assumption that Byrne would like for MSU to win a NC in basketball, then let me know.
These are the 2 main points I am trying to convey.
You might not still understand #1 & #2, but a typical 10 year old would.
1) Since Byrne's arrival, Polk & Croom are gone. I don't really give a damn how & why, I just know they are gone. & conventional wisdom dictates they have both been replaced by better coaches.
2) Byrne's presence puts the heat on Stansbury to quit flopping in the tournament & to stop running off players which, in turn, keeps us young for years on end. Posters here like to lower Stansbury's standards by constantly posting his career stats, but I think Byrne wants to compete for a national championship in basketball. & a coach who can't even advance in the tournament, obviously, is not going to put you in the position to compete for a NC. If I'm wrong on this assumption that Byrne would like for MSU to win a NC in basketball, then let me know.
These are the 2 main points I am trying to convey.
You might not still understand #1 & #2, but a typical 10 year old would.
and that Stans better watch out. Byrne has fired one coach. Croom. You were insinuating that Byrne canned Polk because he was underachieving which is simply not the case. Hell, I'm pretty sure Polk would still be here if he thought LT wouldn't be naming his replacement.
Croom underachieved by winning no more than 4 games in one single season except for one year. He should have been fired. Especially after the 45-0 *** whooping we received by our arch rival. You just automatically think because Byrne didn't listen to Polk and hire Raffo that he now has this 'quick trigger finger' and is going to can Stans next to make the trifecta complete. That line of thinking is just idiotic. Again, Stans is the winningest coach in school history. He will get a longer leash, as would have Polk had he stayed. Byrne has made 2 great hires in his first season, yes, but I guarandamntee you he would have never thought in a million years he'd be put in the position he's been put in his first year on the job when he was ready to accept the position. You don't just go firing coaches just to fire them. Like I said yesterday, look at UK without Tubby, look at Nebraska without Solich, OM without Cutcliffe, AU and Tubs...the list goes on and on. We may be able to do better and we may find out sooner than I think we will, but I guarantee you we can do a WHOLE LOT WORSE!
Croom underachieved by winning no more than 4 games in one single season except for one year. He should have been fired. Especially after the 45-0 *** whooping we received by our arch rival. You just automatically think because Byrne didn't listen to Polk and hire Raffo that he now has this 'quick trigger finger' and is going to can Stans next to make the trifecta complete. That line of thinking is just idiotic. Again, Stans is the winningest coach in school history. He will get a longer leash, as would have Polk had he stayed. Byrne has made 2 great hires in his first season, yes, but I guarandamntee you he would have never thought in a million years he'd be put in the position he's been put in his first year on the job when he was ready to accept the position. You don't just go firing coaches just to fire them. Like I said yesterday, look at UK without Tubby, look at Nebraska without Solich, OM without Cutcliffe, AU and Tubs...the list goes on and on. We may be able to do better and we may find out sooner than I think we will, but I guarantee you we can do a WHOLE LOT WORSE!
Richard Williams...If Ricky was such an integral part of 1995 and 1996- we would have already been back in one. Williams was a damn good coach, but recruiting wasnt his strong suit. We havent even been close to looking as well coached as we did during games under Williams.She Mate Me said:
The "100 years of MSU basketball" **** needs to stop...In the last 20 years, we have made 13 postseason appearances. The NCAA Tourney expanded in 1985, so its much easier to get in since then. Not to mention the NCAA appearances we turned down in the McCarthy era. Regardless of our past, we have to press on and expect great things in the future. And being a Tourney regular and advancing is not unrealistic.
You Ricky-sheep better hope he gets his **** together in 2009-2010 or he wont be here anymore.
2006- No NCAA's
2007- No NCAA's
2008- Underachieved 8-seed in NCAA
2009- no chance at NCAA
2010- job will be on the line
I'm gone all day, come home to find y'all are still debating this topic. When does baseball start?
No offense, but you're walking into a trap I didn't even intent to set... Rick has had <span style="font-style: italic;">ten</span> years to prove that Richard Williams wasn't the reason for those tourney runs...by making one himself, but its sort of apples and oranges. Rich took undervalued talent and coached them up. Rick supplies the talent, Rich coaches the hell out of them. Think 91, 94. Rick takes evidently misvalued talent and underachieves with what doesn't decide to transfer out. Rick supplies the talent, then get circles coached around him on a national stage. Think 02(Rick Barnes), 03(Todd Lickliter) , 04(Thad Matta). ...and yes I know that the 04 team went 26-4 and 14-2 and won the west and went undefeated in the league on the road, but when the 4th place team from the Atlantic 10 runs you out of the gym in round 2, the rest of that is more or less rendered useless. Think 08 NE Patriots. 18-1 rules. No championship blows it up. Finishing 26-4 blows when two weeks earlier you were 25-2.She Mate Me said: