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Allan Brewer

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This is going to ruffle some feathers but (in my opinion) there will be NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES to the football coaching staff going forward

My personal opinion is that the big smiles and hugs with the recruits in all the recent pictures from this staff are meant to say just one thing: "Come on, everybody, this coaching staff is fine and we are bringing in all this great talent!"
 
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The_Godfather_rivals

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Samwise Ganjee said:
This is going to ruffle some feathers but (in my opinion) there will be NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES to the football coaching staff going forward

My personal opinion is that the big smiles and hugs with the recruits in all the recent pictures from this staff are meant to say just one thing: "Come on, everybody, this coaching staff is fine and we are bringing in all this great talent!"
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Even if they make staff changes, I highly doubt that they will end up being significant.

It's not as if brilliant coaching talents are going to look at this situation and desperately want to be part of a staff on the hot seat.
 
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The_Godfather said:
It's not as if brilliant coaching talents are going to look at this situation and desperately want to be part of a staff on the hot seat.
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Think there's something to this. And there are far more attractive "hot seat" programs out there than Kentucky (Texas, Auburn, LSU, Nebraska, West Virginia ...).
 
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3kidsandme said:
This staff seat is not even warm yet. Only people who think Stoops seat is hot is fans. He has atleast 2 more years of building then his seat may get hot. He inherited a total disaster.
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It's hot whether you like it or not. Some of you need to accept the gravity of the situation.

He just can't keep losing and definitely can't keep losing in a manner that consistently includes game mismanagement by the staff.
 
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MJ says should hear of changes by tomorrow. Says quite a bit went on this past weekend, guess we will see.
 
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Tskware

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Yes, Stoops took over the Titannic, but that being said, not many were happy in year 3 to still be fighting nail biters v. a bad Sun Belt team and an OT win over a 6-5 DIAA team, a horrible loss to Vandy, an epic meltdown to UL (without three defensive starters and a true freshman QB), and the SOS v. Miss State, UT, Georgia, and not a single player on the 1st or 2nd team all SEC team. So, yes, I would say the seat is getting warm.
 
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richbrookstomato

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$12 million reasons why Stoops' seat won't be hot for at least 2 more years. However, he knows that some areas need to be addressed.

We all know that there are several positions that regressed as the season progressed. Special Teams, WR, O-Line, D-Line, LB's and QB.

Of those areas, the position coaches that aren't bringing in talented recruits should be the ones that get the axe, but we shall see.
 
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The_Godfather said:
It's hot whether you like it or not. Some of you need to accept the gravity of the situation.

He just can't keep losing and definitely can't keep losing in a manner that consistently includes game mismanagement by the staff.
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I don't know what more Stoops can do at this point. We went from 2 wins 2 wins 5 wins 5 wins that is improvement that Barnhart cares about. He don't care that message board people can't understand how hard it is to build the weakest roster in the bcs into a top 25 team playing in the sec.
 
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JasonS. said:
Interesting #5 on that list is MacIntyre (the runner-up to Stoops for the UK job). Colorado may be a tougher job than ours.
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I honestly don't think there is a more difficult job in college football than the UK job.If you think in terms of getting to bowl eligibility , competing on a every game basis and even when you recruit on a top 20 level you are still 10th in your conference.

we didn't get the nickname "the graveyard of coaches" by accident. We are about a year or so away from putting up the next headstone
 
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The_Godfather said:
It's hot whether you like it or not. Some of you need to accept the gravity of the situation.

He just can't keep losing and definitely can't keep losing in a manner that consistently includes game mismanagement by the staff.
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Really? Seems that it has been happening fairly consistently since the Bear was basically ran off.
 
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And honestly, it's Stoops' call. If he believes that he has the staff to build a program at UK, then he should keep them regardless of what fans think. If he thinks some of his coaches aren't performing at a level that he expects, he should let them go, regardless of what fans think. Either way, it's his job on the line. You can't fail upward at UK (ala Muschamp).
 
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Tskware

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screwduke said:
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Yes, I believe he was let go after the Vandy game.

I don't buy the Graveyard of Coaches BS for one minute. There are coaches out there that can win here, maybe not 10-2 or be in the NC hunt annually, but no reason we cannot win 7-9 games consistently (although no matter who we hire, we will have some losing seasons just like everyone else does)
 
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Samwise Ganjee said:
This is going to ruffle some feathers but (in my opinion) there will be NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES to the football coaching staff going forward

My personal opinion is that the big smiles and hugs with the recruits in all the recent pictures from this staff are meant to say just one thing: "Come on, everybody, this coaching staff is fine and we are bringing in all this great talent!"
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I've been saying this for weeks. But yeah I agree with just about everything you said.
 
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CATFANFOLIFE87

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As long as Stoops keeps recruiting at a historic level (by UK standards) his job is relatively safe. There is just no way that this team won't make a big leap when the 14,15, and 16 classes come of age. We are signing the type of athletes that have never played at UK and Stoops is doing it across the entire roster. Mitch would be an idiot fire Stoops before the conclusion of the 2017 season
 
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3kidsandme said:
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I don't know what more Stoops can do at this point. We went from 2 wins 2 wins 5 wins 5 wins that is improvement that Barnhart cares about. He don't care that message board people can't understand how hard it is to build the weakest roster in the bcs into a top 25 team playing in the sec.
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Lol wtf. So you think our team improved this year from the year before? People like this who think stoops is some damn good coach kill me. Woot woot we're not winning only 2 games a year now! We're actually beating 2 of the most pathetic teams in the conference and losing to the other pathetic team in our conference. As long as we go 2 for 3 out of the pathetic teams in the conference and win (barely win) games against 3 cupcakes then that's good enough! What an accomplishment! Let's just forget the fact stoops is 5-13 in his last 18 games with wins against a pathetic USC team, a very bad ULL team, an atrociously bad EKU team that we needed OT to beat, a very bad Mizzou team and a Charlotte team that's only existed for 3 years! Groundbreaking stuff stoops has going on here yall! You can't make this stuff up. People like this make me dumber. He doesn't have a single impressive win in his last 18 games so please shut up. If you wanna talk about recruiting cool. We're still ranking around 12th and 13th in the conference every year with the worst coaching staff in the SEC (as far as coaching goes, they can recruit but they're the worst at coaching in the SEC). That's not a turn around.
 
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It's obvious that Stoops has had his problems,but with that being said,somebody give us names who are available ,and capable of recruiting developing,and coaching up the roster that he inherited and has recruited!? I'll be waiting on the answer,and certainly support whomever has this answer for our new AD!
 
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law1127 said:
It's obvious that Stoops has had his problems,but with that being said,somebody give us names who are available ,and capable of recruiting developing,and coaching up the roster that he inherited and has recruited!? I'll be waiting on the answer,and certainly support whomever has this answer for our new AD!
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Brian brohm. I'd take him over stoops every day of the week, month and year. Twice on Saturdays in the fall. Mike leach is a way better coach. Would've taken petrino over stoops in a heartbeat. Especially petrino he was available and we didn't take him.
 
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law1127 said:
I think you've told us all we need to know!
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You asked a question as to who else was available as if stoops was the best option out there. Mike leach I'm pretty sure beat Stanford this year. Stoops doesn't have a win close to as impressive as that win, in fact he doesn't have one single impressive win since being here. You asked a question, you got a very likely correct answer as to who's better.
 
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The_Godfather said:
It's hot whether you like it or not. Some of you need to accept the gravity of the situation.

He just can't keep losing and definitely can't keep losing in a manner that consistently includes game mismanagement by the staff.
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I agree and I think most everyone else agrees with that comment. We don't know how many W-L he will have, but all indications point to a much improved team next year. The number of players coming back, The new recruits coming in plus another year of maturity, plus a learning year for his staff should make for a much better season.

It will also mark the 4th year for Stoops and most of his staff. Normally it takes a new HC that many years especially at UK to get his assistants in place and have a roster full of his recruits. I think this next season will be a good indicator of the progress he has made.

Considering the talent level when he arrived plus the frustration of having so many young players at key positions and some poor coaching decision, I think they have done well.

However there comes a point in time that you have to produce and I am confident that he will. jmho
 
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I'm starting to get the picture that if Stoops didn't make any changes and went 6-6 next year while beating UL in the last game of the season and with the team as a whole, including coaches, showing considerable improvement, you would still ***** and complain and moan about how bad an AD Barnhart is and how much Stoops and staff need to be fired. There seem to be some on here (the football forum as a whole) who seem to want MB and Stoops fired more than you want them to succeed.
 
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3kidsandme said:
This staff seat is not even warm yet. Only people who think Stoops seat is hot is fans. He has atleast 2 more years of building then his seat may get hot. He inherited a total disaster.
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Couldn't be farther from the truth. Go check some of the SEC hotseat rankings on ESPN, SaturdayDownSouth, Cbssports, etc. I promise you'll find Stoops no lower than #2 on any of them. It's kind of sad because national writers (with no dog in the fight) seem more disappointed about the season & hold Stoops' feet to the fire more than our own fanbase (which is really, really weird when you think about it). Usually it's the national writers that have to tell a fanbase to temper their exectations or give a coach more time, but in our case it's almost always the exact opposite.
 
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sefus12 said:
I'm starting to get the picture that if Stoops didn't make any changes and went 6-6 next year while beating UL in the last game of the season and with the team as a whole, including coaches, showing considerable improvement, you would still ***** and complain and moan about how bad an AD Barnhart is and how much Stoops and staff need to be fired. There seem to be some on here (the football forum as a whole) who seem to want MB and Stoops fired more than you want them to succeed.
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There's a huge flaw in this statement. Those things DIDNT happen. So why I assume? I'm sure of stoops was doing a good job, so many fans wouldn't be upset. But me as well as many other fans invest in this program and get screwed over, over and over again by promises from people such as stoops that they do not fullfill. The manner in which we lost the UL, Vandy games and other games. Is why we're upset. Horrible play calling (worst OC in D1), horrible game management by stoops. Like have you watched the games this year? Did you see stoops coaching mistakes that he made time after time every game multiple times a game? (I'll name numerous examples if need be), you do realize our coaching staff has ZERO experience at the OC, DC, and HC positions? And that we do play in the SEC right? You do realize the decisions stoops made for putting together a staff were woeful at best and a recipe for failure with a zero % chance at success in the SEC? You WILL NOT succeed in the SEC with no experience at OC, DC, and HC. Idk why that's so hard to believe. But we seriously are a part of the SEC conference and these are our coaches. You've actually seen such incompetence from a coaching staff before (as far as game management goes)? Very impressive if so. Kudos.
 
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