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Cats78

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This is going to ruffle some feathers but (in my opinion) there will be NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES to the football coaching staff going forward

My personal opinion is that the big smiles and hugs with the recruits in all the recent pictures from this staff are meant to say just one thing: "Come on, everybody, this coaching staff is fine and we are bringing in all this great talent!"

Well, guess you were a bit off on this.

Hope they make a good hire. Not counting on it though.
 
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Well there may be a kernel of truth there but it actually could have more to do with their age and experience than ability. I was not anti-Leach and I like some of his methods but he also brings some baggage with him. I think he was treated poorly down at TTU but he did almost nothing to avoid that situation and certainly nourished the environment for such controversy. He can be like a DeMarcus Cousins Lite in the coaching ranks---he can't get out of his own way.

Facts are this, UK plays in the premier conference in the world of college football and when Stoops arrived he had a mid-MAC level of talent on the roster. Thats hard to overcome in a short period of time for anybody. Refer to Jeff Brohms statement of 6 years minimum.

While these opinions are not facts I think they are worth considering.
  • The SEC is much better defending the Aid Raid now than when Leach was here.
  • The Pac-12 will not defend the Air Raid as well as the SEC
  • Leach would not have been as successful recruiting at Kentucky as Stoops has been.
  • Linemen are the positions that take the longest to develop
  • The dearth of linemen at Kentucky is its biggest challenge
  • Unlike Joker Stoops is having to face the challenge of the decimated roster Joker left.
  • Leach is 20-29 at Pullman (sorry that is a fact) Which leads us to another fact:
Mike Leach's record at WASU is not as good as Stoops is at Kentucky their first three years. 12-25 vs 12-24

Levi, I don't know what to tell you if you want to actually compare Stoops and Leach. The man has been to two bowl games in Pullman. You will never convince me it is easier there than here. Just as you will not convince me that Stoops is even worth a discussion compared to Leach. Well, until he does something except run off QB's, Replace his OC yearly, scream and yell on the sideline and make excuses

Stoops is in over his head at this point. ML is the better coach and nobody outside the state of Kentucky would even compare the two.
 
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Levibooty

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Levi, I don't know what to tell you if you want to actually compare Stoops and Leach. The man has been to two bowl games in Pullman. You will never convince me it is easier there than here. Just as you will not convince me that Stoops is even worth a discussion compared to Leach. Well, until he does something except run off QB's, Replace his OC yearly, scream and yell on the sideline and make excuses

Stoops is in over his head at this point. ML is the better coach and nobody outside the state of Kentucky would even compare the two.

Oh for the love of Hyperbole! Neal Brown took a HC job and you blame Stoops for that? Come back to earth.

Why are you flying off on some tangential argument. What I'm comparing is the amount of experience the two have and the systems that are more likely to succeed in the SEC. Frankly I don't know how good Stoops will be and neither do you. I've already stated I am not anti-Leach. Please quit trying to manufacture crap, there is enough of that on this board.
 
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I'm not manufacturing anything. You don't like the facts so you make excuses. You think we haven't seen this before? Anybody who would argue Stoops and Leach are in the same league obviously is the one making crap up.

I know Stoops has failed to this point. I know ML is/was a winner who has turned around two marginal, at best, programs.

In a few years you will make excuses for the next guy. It's cool. I'll be right here to lay out my side of the argument and argue with you. It's what we do. We are just getting started bro!

I'm being serious when I say Merry Christmas. I like you just fun. I just don't like losing year after year in football. Whatever the problem I want it corrected.
 
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I'm not manufacturing anything. You don't like the facts so you make excuses. You think we haven't seen this before? Anybody who would argue Stoops and Leach are in the same league obviously is the one making crap up.

I know Stoops has failed to this point. I ask know ML is/was a winner who has turned around two marginal, at best, programs.

In a few years you will make excuses for the next guy. It's cool. I'll be right here to lay out my side of the argument and argue with you. It's what we do,bro.

I'm being serious when I say Merry Christmas. I like you just fun. I just don't like losing year after year in football. Whatever the problem I want it corrected.
How's your boy Joker doing these days?
 
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As a head coach he was bad. He did some good things for us as an OC. Also, helping bring Randall Cobb to UK. He did go to a bowl game, beat UT and a top ten team in USC.

Make no mistake about it whether I liked Joker as a person or not I didn't want him as our head coach after year two.
 
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tntuk

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This is going to ruffle some feathers but (in my opinion) there will be NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES to the football coaching staff going forward

My personal opinion is that the big smiles and hugs with the recruits in all the recent pictures from this staff are meant to say just one thing: "Come on, everybody, this coaching staff is fine and we are bringing in all this great talent!"
Well...there goes that theory! Haha!
 

docholiday51

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Did you ever think the reason for this is because UK keeps hiring incompetent people to coach their football team?
Not all of them were,the job is difficult for more reasons than I care to type or that you probably care to read