This is just mindboggling on several levels.....

[RichardPeterJohnson]

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First of all, I find it difficult to believe that based on the New Testament that people like Falwell say is the literal gospel, that Jesus would advocate what Falwell is.

Secondly, what kind of education are these people at this school getting? We already know that Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection is dismissed by this school as sacrilege. You know, real science. Now, as part of the commencement, the president of the school gets up there and talks about students getting a CCP and talking about "ending muslims"? I'm not sure what the tuition is at this school but whatever it i, those students and their parents may as well have lit a match to a stack of money.

Finally, I guess this is the kind of Neanderthal, ignorant language the Fox News crowd is demanding from our President. What a sad state our country is in when we have people like Falwell leading students.

 

[Airport]

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First of all, I find it difficult to believe that based on the New Testament that people like Falwell say is the literal gospel, that Jesus would advocate what Falwell is.

Secondly, what kind of education are these people at this school getting? We already know that Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection is dismissed by this school as sacrilege. You know, real science. Now, as part of the commencement, the president of the school gets up there and talks about students getting a CCP and talking about "ending muslims"? I'm not sure what the tuition is at this school but whatever it i, those students and their parents may as well have lit a match to a stack of money.

Finally, I guess this is the kind of Neanderthal, ignorant language the Fox News crowd is demanding from our President. What a sad state our country is in when we have people like Falwell leading students.

Why doesn't our CIC called out muslims to stand up to radical islam? why doesn't he tell the muslims to lay down their guns? I'm Christian but I have never thought that the literal 6 days and on the 7th day he rested was true. I believe in creation in the way that one day to god might not be one dday to man. The one thing you can't argue, if someone had a permit and had his gun, things would have been different at VATech

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

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First of all, I find it difficult to believe that based on the New Testament that people like Falwell say is the literal gospel, that Jesus would advocate what Falwell is.

Secondly, what kind of education are these people at this school getting? We already know that Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection is dismissed by this school as sacrilege. You know, real science. Now, as part of the commencement, the president of the school gets up there and talks about students getting a CCP and talking about "ending muslims"? I'm not sure what the tuition is at this school but whatever it i, those students and their parents may as well have lit a match to a stack of money.

Finally, I guess this is the kind of Neanderthal, ignorant language the Fox News crowd is demanding from our President. What a sad state our country is in when we have people like Falwell leading students.

Frankly, I thought it was deplorable myself.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Why doesn't our CIC called out muslims to stand up to radical islam?

Probably because it works so well in America with "real" Christians calling out the radical Christians (sarcasm in case you couldn't tell).

 

[TarHeelEer]

Frankly, I thought it was deplorable myself.

I agree. The sons of Falwell and Graham have been way too political for my liking.

 

[bamaEER]

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First of all, I find it difficult to believe that based on the New Testament that people like Falwell say is the literal gospel, that Jesus would advocate what Falwell is.

Secondly, what kind of education are these people at this school getting? We already know that Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection is dismissed by this school as sacrilege. You know, real science. Now, as part of the commencement, the president of the school gets up there and talks about students getting a CCP and talking about "ending muslims"? I'm not sure what the tuition is at this school but whatever it i, those students and their parents may as well have lit a match to a stack of money.

Finally, I guess this is the kind of Neanderthal, ignorant language the Fox News crowd is demanding from our President. What a sad state our country is in when we have people like Falwell leading students.

I agree, but this is Jerry Falwell's kid. I would expect nothing else but this from him.

 

[EERs 3:16]

It's a case of someone calling it as it is.....the Jihad is a religious war and Falwell Jr., recognizes that, and wants to defend this faith. What's wrong with that?

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

It's a case of someone calling it as it is.....the Jihad is a religious war and Falwell Jr., recognizes that, and wants to defend this faith. What's wrong with that?

What's wrong with it? It's completely contrary to the Gospel, the New Testament as whole, and the history of the evangelistic church since the first century. Any person in a position of authority over young adults has to know that words on the edge spoken by leaders will be taken to extremes by young followers. I have no doubt the desire for the applause of men drove him to speak words contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

 

[WVUBRU]

What's wrong with it? It's completely contrary to the Gospel, the New Testament as whole, and the history of the evangelistic church since the first century. Any person in a position of authority over young adults has to know that words on the edge spoken by leaders will be taken to extremes by young followers. I have no doubt the desire for the applause of men drove him to speak words contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

Outstanding commentary.

 

[EERs 3:16]

What's wrong with it? It's completely contrary to the Gospel, the New Testament as whole, and the history of the evangelistic church since the first century. Any person in a position of authority over young adults has to know that words on the edge spoken by leaders will be taken to extremes by young followers. I have no doubt the desire for the applause of men drove him to speak words contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

Psalm 94:16 New International Version

Who will rise up for me against the wicked? Who will take a stand for me against evildoers?

 

[TarHeelEer]

Psalm 94:16 New International Version

Who will rise up for me against the wicked? Who will take a stand for me against evildoers?

How to take verses out of context 101.

Who will stand up for me against evildoers?
Who will take his stand for me against those who do wickedness?
If the Lord had not been my help,
My soul would soon have dwelt in the abode of silence.
If I should say, “My foot has slipped,”
Your lovingkindness, O Lord, will hold me up.
When my anxious thoughts multiply within me,
Your consolations delight my soul.
Can a throne of destruction be allied with You,
One which devises mischief by decree?
They band themselves together against the life of the righteous
And condemn the innocent to death.
But the Lord has been my stronghold,
And my God the rock of my refuge.
He has brought back their wickedness upon them
And will destroy them in their evil;
The Lord our God will destroy them.

 

[WVPATX]

How to take verses out of context 101.

Who will stand up for me against evildoers?
Who will take his stand for me against those who do wickedness?
If the Lord had not been my help,
My soul would soon have dwelt in the abode of silence.
If I should say, “My foot has slipped,”
Your lovingkindness, O Lord, will hold me up.
When my anxious thoughts multiply within me,
Your consolations delight my soul.
Can a throne of destruction be allied with You,
One which devises mischief by decree?
They band themselves together against the life of the righteous
And condemn the innocent to death.
But the Lord has been my stronghold,
And my God the rock of my refuge.
He has brought back their wickedness upon them
And will destroy them in their evil;
The Lord our God will destroy them.

I'm not sure what you guys are arguing about, but I don't believe the Bible in anyway suggests that an innocent person should standby and be slaughtered While doing nothing to protect themselves. I have no problem in anyway for young people or anyone for that matter to do whatever they can to protect themselves and their families. Especially in this day and age.

As with many questions in our lives, self-defense has to do with wisdom, understanding, and tact. For instance, in Luke 22, Jesus does tell His disciples to get a sword. Jesus knew that now was the time when Jesus would be threatened (and later killed) and His followers would be threatened as well. Jesus was giving approval of the fact that one has the right to self-defense. Now, just a few verses later, we see Jesus being arrested, and Peter takes a sword and cuts off someone’s ear. Jesus rebukes Peter for that act. Why? Peter was trying to stop something that Jesus had been telling His disciples was in fact going to happen. In other words, Peter was acting unwisely in the situation. He was trying to stop something that was not supposed to be stopped. We must be wise as to when to fight and when not to.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

The bigger issue to me is not about his support of carrying--although that was certainly the wrong time and place for such a speech--but the anti-Muslim tone to the whole speech. I don't know how anyone could claim adherence to the Sermon on the Mount and make such statements.

What was the unique teaching of Jesus? Every teaching of Jesus is expressly found in the Law of Moses--except one. Though implied in the OT the unique teaching of Jesus is that his followers should love their enemies. Falwell's speech certainly implied the opposite.

 

[WVPATX]

The bigger issue to me is not about his support of carrying--although that was certainly the wrong time and place for such a speech--but the anti-Muslim tone to the whole speech. I don't know how anyone could claim adherence to the Sermon on the Mount and make such statements.

What was the unique teaching of Jesus? Every teaching of Jesus is expressly found in the Law of Moses--except one. Though implied in the OT the unique teaching of Jesus is that his followers should love their enemies. Falwell's speech certainly implied the opposite.

I certainly disagreed with his using the term Muslims. I have no problem with him encouraging the students to defend themselves, their Friends and their families from radical Islam. And loving your enemy is completely different then doing something to protect yourself. I made sure that all my daughters had defensive technology when going to college such as mace.

And I would certainly hope that if I am attending a movie with my family and someone opens up on us, that a good guy with a gun is there also to help. The police simply cannot get there in time.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

I certainly disagreed with his using the term Muslims. I have no problem with him encouraging the students to defend themselves, their Friends and their families from radical Islam. And loving your enemy is completely different then doing something to protect yourself. I made sure that all my daughters had defensive technology when going to college such as mace.

And I would certainly hope that if I am attending a movie with my family and someone opens up on us, that a good guy with a gun is there also to help. The police simply cannot get there in time.

My problem with the speech is the anti-Muslim tone. I guarantee some young people walked away from that thinking, "I hope I get a chance to teach some towel-head a lesson."

 

[WVPATX]

My problem with the speech is the anti-Muslim tone. I guarantee some young people walked away from that thinking, "I hope I get a chance to teach some towel-head a lesson."

If the tone were against radical Islamists, I would have no problem whatsoever with that. And I certainly do not have a problem with law abiding individuals carrying a weapon to defend themselves and their families. It's not by accident that these assassins choose gun free zone's.

 

[EERs 3:16]

My problem with the speech is the anti-Muslim tone. I guarantee some young people walked away from that thinking, "I hope I get a chance to teach some towel-head a lesson."

What about the anti-Christian or Jewish tones that the radical Muslims have - do you have a problem with those beliefs or not?

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

What about the anti-Christian or Jewish tones that the radical Muslims have - do you have a problem with those beliefs or not?

I'm a Christian. I'm concerned with how Christians represent Christianity. I'm less concerned with how Muslims represent Islam.

For all the crying about the Obama-Alinski agenda some people sure seem intent to play into their hands.

 

[TarHeelEer]

What about the anti-Christian or Jewish tones that the radical Muslims have - do you have a problem with those beliefs or not?

They aren't Christian leaders essentially saying take up arms against the Muslims.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

It's a case of someone calling it as it is.....the Jihad is a religious war and Falwell Jr., recognizes that, and wants to defend this faith. What's wrong with that?

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

How to take verses out of context 101.

Who will stand up for me against evildoers?
Who will take his stand for me against those who do wickedness?
If the Lord had not been my help,
My soul would soon have dwelt in the abode of silence.
If I should say, “My foot has slipped,”
Your lovingkindness, O Lord, will hold me up.
When my anxious thoughts multiply within me,
Your consolations delight my soul.
Can a throne of destruction be allied with You,
One which devises mischief by decree?
They band themselves together against the life of the righteous
And condemn the innocent to death.
But the Lord has been my stronghold,
And my God the rock of my refuge.
He has brought back their wickedness upon them
And will destroy them in their evil;
The Lord our God will destroy them.

This is a perfect example. This is likely to be misinterpreted, but I'm gonna do it anyway. EERS posted a quote that suggested it would be fine to take up arms against Muslims, and you countered with the entire thing in context.

This is EXACTLY what the radical Muslims do to justify what they are doing, and it's EXACTLY why so many in the Muslim world denounce their actions as not being representative of Islam.

Christians COULD do exactly the same thing with passages of the Bible, and in fact HAVE in cases of the KKK and other groups. Christians are quick to point out that what they are doing doesn't represent Christianity when they do that, just as the Muslims do against the terrorists.

People will bring whatever they want with them and apply it to religious teachings. If they have evil in their heart, they will find the justification for that evil in whatever religious text they read. Be it good or evil, love or hate, if you're looking for it, you'll find it.

 

[EERs 3:16]

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.

Define murder: is it when you wantonly kill someone or is it when someone means you bodily harm and you defend yourself? there is a difference?

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Define murder: is it when you wantonly kill someone or is it when someone means you bodily harm and you defend yourself? there is a difference?

You'll have to ask a biblical scholar what God meant.

 

[TarHeelEer]

People will bring whatever they want with them and apply it to religious teachings. If they have evil in their heart, they will find the justification for that evil in whatever religious text they read. Be it good or evil, love or hate, if you're looking for it, you'll find it.

Not true. I have read enough of the Quran to know that their hate verses are not taken out of context. That's why a larger majority of Muslims are extremists, or sympathize with the extremists. The Quran <> the Bible.

 

[EERs 3:16]

You'll have to ask a biblical scholar what God meant.

No, I'm asking you to define murder......

 

[EERs 3:16]

They aren't Christian leaders essentially saying take up arms against the Muslims.

No, they're saying defend yourself against those that wish to kill you. It just so happens, that those wishing to do the killing are Muslim.

 

[EERs 3:16]

I'm a Christian. I'm concerned with how Christians represent Christianity. I'm less concerned with how Muslims represent Islam.

For all the crying about the Obama-Alinski agenda some people sure seem intent to play into their hands.

And color me reactionary, but, I get concerned when some Imam preaches death to Christians. I'd also like to be able to defend myself when some Jihadist comes a callin'

 

[TarHeelEer]

You'll have to ask a biblical scholar what God meant.

English language change since KJV was written. Kill was meant as murder today, slay was meant as kill today.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Not true. I have read enough of the Quran to know that their hate verses are not taken out of context. That's why a larger majority of Muslims are extremists, or sympathize with the extremists. The Quran <> the Bible.

I've read a large portion of the Quran also, and I stand by my statement. The largest set of victims of ISIS are Muslims themselves, they certainly don't hold the same extremist views or else they wouldn't be victims.

 

[Popeer]

Not true. I have read enough of the Quran to know that their hate verses are not taken out of context. That's why a larger majority of Muslims are extremists, or sympathize with the extremists. The Quran <> the Bible.

Apparently you haven't read enough of the Koran to know what Mohammed said about the "People of the Book", or his many references to Mary the mother of Jesus, or how he viewed Jesus. Unbelievers did not include any of the religions traced to the God of Abraham.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Apparently you haven't read enough of the Koran to know what Mohammed said about the "People of the Book", or his many references to Mary the mother of Jesus, or how he viewed Jesus. Unbelievers did not include any of the religions traced to the God of Abraham.

You're reading out of context. Read deeper and farther.

In his early days, as Islam was only beginning, that was his attitude. Later, when Islam became more dominant, and Mohammed became more of a psychopath, this was more of the attitude in those days:

Surah 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

(Jizyah is an extortion payment.)

Islam scholars on Surah 9:29:

"Allah commanded His Messenger to fight the People of the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, on the ninth year of Hijrah, and he prepared his army to fight the Romans and called the people to Jihad announcing his intent and destination….

Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr (Unbeliever) and Disgrace.

Allah said, until they pay the Jizyah, if they do not choose to embrace Islam, with willing submission, in defeat and subservience, and feel themselves subdued, disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah(non-Muslim believers) or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated."