What Stansbury offers is a safe consistent winning team. His team will be competitive in the SEC West. They will make the NCAA from time to time. I do not see us ever making consistent sweet 16's or great 8's. If we fire Stansbury, the chances of us getting a big name coach to take us to the next level are slim to none. Regardless of how much money we throw out. I don't like the odds of us getting a young up and coming coach and being consistently successful. I feel that we would have success some years and some losing seasons other seasons. I would like to see us throw money at a young assistant who knows his X's and O's and let him run the offense. But I doubt this would ever happen. I have no other solution. Pick your poison, consistent team or wild roller coaster ride with ups and downs. </p>
This is my thoughts on firing Stansbury
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but I would like to see Byrne put some pressure on him to improve in deficient areas. For example, not every assistant needs to be a recruiter first, coach second. We would do well to add some coaching expertise to our staff but sometimes I feel like maybe Stans doesn't want that and possibly is threatened by an assistant that might be a better x and o guy than he is. We primarily need a staff member to help us with our offensive sets and strategies. I believe Stans does well on the defense and rebounding side of things.
This post is entirely too reasonable. Didn't you know that Stans was either the devil or John Wooden 2.0? Your opinion of Stans is only allowed to be polar.
Seriously though, you are exactly right. I won't lobby for the firing of Stansbury either. But, something has got to change. As some other posters alluded to, complacency may be setting into the fan base. Just look to the actual attendance this year. We seem to have the same offensive problems year in and year out. Last night wasn't shocking. In fact, it was just par for the course. We have have come to know what to expect every year and it usually ends in some kind of disappointment. Maybe we are spoiled? If so, who cares? That doesn't meant changes aren't merited. Stans is really good at some things (recruiting, coaching defense), but is terrible at others (coaching offense, all of it). Just because he is who he is doesn't mean he can't improve on it.
It's obvious we could use some fresh blood on the staff. Just look to our current coaching staff's bios. <span style="font-style: italic;">The most recent year a member of our coaching staff had any experience away from MSU was the year 2000. </span> That's a lot of time to ingrain bad habits. There's no rule against change and certainly Head Coaches are allowed to learn a thing or two as they go along without taking a huge ego hit. The best way to make sure this happen is Greg Byrne. He needs to put pressure on Rick to do something different and fix the problems that plague us every year. Otherwise, Rick will act in the interest of self preservation, make no changes, and we'll continue on with the same plan. Some are content with that plan - that's fine, it's opinion. Frankly, the basketball status quo is boring as hell to me and I'm getting tired of it.
Seriously though, you are exactly right. I won't lobby for the firing of Stansbury either. But, something has got to change. As some other posters alluded to, complacency may be setting into the fan base. Just look to the actual attendance this year. We seem to have the same offensive problems year in and year out. Last night wasn't shocking. In fact, it was just par for the course. We have have come to know what to expect every year and it usually ends in some kind of disappointment. Maybe we are spoiled? If so, who cares? That doesn't meant changes aren't merited. Stans is really good at some things (recruiting, coaching defense), but is terrible at others (coaching offense, all of it). Just because he is who he is doesn't mean he can't improve on it.
It's obvious we could use some fresh blood on the staff. Just look to our current coaching staff's bios. <span style="font-style: italic;">The most recent year a member of our coaching staff had any experience away from MSU was the year 2000. </span> That's a lot of time to ingrain bad habits. There's no rule against change and certainly Head Coaches are allowed to learn a thing or two as they go along without taking a huge ego hit. The best way to make sure this happen is Greg Byrne. He needs to put pressure on Rick to do something different and fix the problems that plague us every year. Otherwise, Rick will act in the interest of self preservation, make no changes, and we'll continue on with the same plan. Some are content with that plan - that's fine, it's opinion. Frankly, the basketball status quo is boring as hell to me and I'm getting tired of it.
In any organization you need to bring in some fresh blood from time to time. I don't have any real problem with any of our assistant coaches, but I would be in favor of Byrne telling Stans that he has to get rid of one and bring in somebody with no connection to MSU at all.ckDOG said:
is that I'm convinced that Stans left on his own will NEVER do anything to improve areas where we need it. Stans is comfortable, has a pretty good ego, and does what he does. Without a LOT of pressure from his boss there is no way that Rick will change the status quo, he just won't. I can understand the growing apathy of the fanbase if Stans is just left to run things without any interference because we will just continue to be what we've been. The only blip you will get is when, like the 04 team, you get a Timmy Bowers, Shane Power and Lawrence Roberts on a team that are almost like having coaches on the floor. Those guys didn't require a lot of direction from the coach but that is MUCH more the exception than the rule. This bunch we have now is BEGGING for some guidance and I fear are not getting it.
I'm sure this will get turned into another attendance debate, which wasn't my intent. But my point was if things are so rosy, then why don't we fill the place up on a nightly basis? That's all. It's not a big coliseum, there's no reason not to fill it up if the program is as in good of shape as many make it out to be. Factors beyond team performance come into play here, such as quality of opponent and demographics of the season ticket holders, so it's not entirely fair to blame that on coaching. But, certainly it's an aspect that could use improvement as well.
At any rate, our average home attendance through 7 games was 4,601. Our capacity is 10,500. That's a 44% fill rate. That may be comparable to other years, but it certainly doesn't make it good.
At any rate, our average home attendance through 7 games was 4,601. Our capacity is 10,500. That's a 44% fill rate. That may be comparable to other years, but it certainly doesn't make it good.
I look at firing coaches from a 'big 3' perspective. You don't want to have three programs rebuilding at the same time. Right now, Stans has the best program at MSU. When he is passed by Cohen or Mullen, then he is eligible to be fired. I agree that Byrne should kick him in the *** every once in a while to keep him honest. However, he needs to stay at MSU because of his consistency.
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We also need to ride out this "you have to go to college for one year before entering the NBA draft" rule a while longer. The MSU history books would be a bit different with one-and-dones Monte Ellis, Jonathan Bender, Travis Outlaw, etc. The NCAA can't prevent all of them from actually playing here....
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We also need to ride out this "you have to go to college for one year before entering the NBA draft" rule a while longer. The MSU history books would be a bit different with one-and-dones Monte Ellis, Jonathan Bender, Travis Outlaw, etc. The NCAA can't prevent all of them from actually playing here....
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