This is pathetic. What is the deal?

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Poor performance = yes

But if he did nothing, like many of you suggest, then he had options to prove his innocence. He chose not to. Not sure why you guys are full of hate about this. He is the one that took the money and ran.

They can remove him at anytime they wish. All they need to do is fulfill their contract or negotiate an agreement.

We know what he did - that isnt the issue.

We just don't think Brown and Lyons should have kneeled to the Twitter mob.

Taking the money and leaving was his only option - because they were firing him.
 
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Yes, mine was to refuse the buyout, force WVU to fire him, then get a lawyer. That isn't a "theory". That's an opinion. If I'm innocent, being accused of something that I didn't do, then I'm fighting for my name.

Why would someone refuse a buyout and then get a lawyer?

To get the money that he just refused to accept?
 
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Poor performance = yes

But if he did nothing, like many of you suggest, then he had options to prove his innocence. He chose not to. Not sure why you guys are full of hate about this. He is the one that took the money and ran.

He was going to get fired as soon as a black player spoke up against him trying to rally the Twitter Mob. Had WVU fired VK, you must have seen a long, nasty court battle dragged out into the season, and WVU didn’t want that for obvious reasons. Hence why they were so eager to come to a separation agreement.

Also, you have Neal Brown saying he never spoke to Martin while Martin said they talked multiple times about it. We will see who the liar in that exchange is a well, which could ruin Brown’s integrity or put a stamp on Martin’s career here as a player.

VK did the smart legal option. He took a settlement all the while WVU cannot place guilt upon him. Any lawyer would say to accept that deal. Hell, OK St was close to firing their head coach over a news network tshirt, and if it was a coordinator, they would have been fired.
 

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He was going to get fired as soon as a black player spoke up against him trying to rally the Twitter Mob. Had WVU fired VK, you must have seen a long, nasty court battle dragged out into the season, and WVU didn’t want that for obvious reasons. Hence why they were so eager to come to a separation agreement.

Also, you have Neal Brown saying he never spoke to Martin while Martin said they talked multiple times about it. We will see who the liar in that exchange is a well, which could ruin Brown’s integrity or put a stamp on Martin’s career here as a player.

VK did the smart legal option. He took a settlement all the while WVU cannot place guilt upon him. Any lawyer would say to accept that deal. Hell, OK St was close to firing their head coach over a news network tshirt, and if it was a coordinator, they would have been fired.

So then, if this were you at your workplace and a person accused you of something, you would take the money (1-year salary) and basically admitting you were wrong? I think I would tell them to "fire me" since they had all the evidence, force their hand, then have my lawyer turn it all on them, and see what happens.
 

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I’m not pro Vic Koening or anti Neil Brown

My whole question and reason for this thread was “Transparency.”

At the onset of this, the AD and everybody at WVU tripped over themselves cause they were in a mad rush to avoid a bad PR day and said “we’re having an independent investigation”. Yet in the same breathe, they applaud Martin for letting everyone know the in-house bad experience he was describing. No inference drawn there.

BYW the Martin dude broke “Man Law” anyway you look at it. Don’t be a public whistleblower unless you’ve thoroughly went through the chain of command with your problems & grievances first. You go coach, HC, AD, President and you do it in writing. This wasn’t a case like that of Mike McQueary catching Jerry Sandusky sodomizing a kid in the shower of the Lash Building at Penn State where everyone should know immediately to stop a sicko criminal from continuing this. This was my coach called me names in practice, talked politics & religion I don’t agree with, and my feeling are hurt.

Then WVU said they had an independent investigation and at the end it was a “mutual decision“ by everyone to part ways. It was hunky dory and we are all moving on.. sing *** ba yah or We shall overcome, whatever.


as for the report & independent investigation:
-What exactly did Koening say?
-How offensive was it?
-If it’s so offensive why are you paying him $591k over 19 months?
-Also to Martin do you also find it offensive when your teammates use fowl or offensive language in the direction of opponents during games? I mean words could hurt them on the inside too. What about other locker room talk concerning the opposite sex? I don’t want you to ever have your feelings hurt after all you’re just a defensive college football player.
Btw unless muted everyone will hear FCC violation type language during college & pro games this season especially without fans. All of George Carlin’s 7 words.
-I want to know did Martins high school coach at Capitol - Charleston WV back up everything or anything he was reported to have said by Martin and what factors lead the high school coach to say these things to Martin about Koenning? This would only back up Martin if true.
-I also want to know did he tell his coach (Koening), any other coach(es), or administrators his grievances before letting everyone know how hurt he was.

Yet this report can’t be released yet???? Ughh the DC has agreed to leave and WVU has agreed to pay him $591k. Ok wth is the problem with releasing the report? It doesn’t contain nuclear secrets. If it’s an independent report then WVU paid an outside group to do it. What were the findings? How much extra did WVU pay for this?

Shane Lyons is not instilling people with confidence as it is. This is yet another example of “I’m Mr Spock and never can be Captain Kirk.”. What am I saying? He would be Ensign Pavel Chekov or Hikaru Sulu at his best. He isn’t running this Dept very well.
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So then, if this were you at your workplace and a person accused you of something, you would take the money (1-year salary) and basically admitting you were wrong? I think I would tell them to "fire me" since they had all the evidence, force their hand, then have my lawyer turn it all on them, and see what happens.
That's because you're apparently a school teacher, likely protected by a union and/or civil service laws. Koenning, a non-union employee protected only by the terms of his contract, did exactly what he should have done: Get as much money as possible, leave Morgantown, let the storm pass, then get another coaching gig with a different school. If he would have forced his discharge and sued, then no other school would have touched him, especially after WVU had smeared him during litigation, which is what WVU would be smart to do in defense of Koenning's lawsuit.
 

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So then, if this were you at your workplace and a person accused you of something, you would take the money (1-year salary) and basically admitting you were wrong? I think I would tell them to "fire me" since they had all the evidence, force their hand, then have my lawyer turn it all on them, and see what happens.

There isnt a case for that...I know you think you are smart but you are out of your depth.

They can fire you for whatever non-discriminatory purpose they wish, and refusing the money which is owed to you just makes you more poor.
 

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That's because you're apparently a school teacher, likely protected by a union and/or civil service laws. Koenning, a non-union employee protected only by the terms of his contract, did exactly what he should have done: Get as much money as possible, leave Morgantown, let the storm pass, then get another coaching gig with a different school. If he would have forced his discharge and sued, then no other school would have touched him, especially after WVU had smeared him during litigation, which is what WVU would be smart to do in defense of Koenning's lawsuit.

I really doubt this dope is a teacher....
 

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I really doubt this dope is a teacher....
He's either a teacher or a close relative of one. He's on a one-man crusade on the Off-Topic Discussion Board to defend teachers and their unions with every fiber of his being. Moreover, he exhibits the union mentality when he posts about employer/employee relations, and doesn't have a basic understanding as to how free enterprise works, especially where the "coaching fraternity" is involved.
 

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IF he was in the right, and got fired, getting a lawyer and filing a wrongful termination lawsuit would have been the way to go.

If you are innocent of something, your name is being smeared, your life will not be the same, you would prefer not to fight to restore it and get what's fully owed to you? I know what I'd do........fight it.

I’m pretty sure VK spouted off some Christianity stuff and probably used the word “retarded“ when addressing his players. There was likely not nearly enough to legally fire him, but WVU also did a very reactionary move (yay 2020!) where they set themselves up for almost having to let him go.

VK deep down knew he needed to leave. Personally, I would have pushed for more money in light of slanderous comments made on him that would affect his ability to get another DC job at a bigger school...but that’s just me.
 

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He's either a teacher or a close relative of one. He's on a one-man crusade on the Off-Topic Discussion Board to defend teachers and their unions with every fiber of his being. Moreover, he exhibits the union mentality when he posts about employer/employee relations, and doesn't have a basic understanding as to how free enterprise works, especially where the "coaching fraternity" is involved.

Get your claim correct before spouting off about them.

1. Because i defend someone/people, I "must be one of them or related to them".
2. I never defended the unions, I just said they were necessary for libel/slander protection.

Have a great day.
 

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You've defended the teachers unions with every illogical thought in your tiny head, MountaineerWV. You also were flat our wrong in repetitively posting that kids were returning to classrooms, as if your favorite unions weren't throwing tantrums to the point of forcing students to stay at home either entirely or for three days/week. Own it.
 

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You've defended the teachers unions with every illogical thought in your tiny head, MountaineerWV. You also were flat our wrong in repetitively posting that kids were returning to classrooms, as if your favorite unions weren't throwing tantrums to the point of forcing students to stay at home either entirely or for three days/week. Own it.

1. Look at my posts, it's easy with the "search" option. I defend them on the basis of legal protection.
2. Kids are returning to the classroom. Have you seen Indiana? Yep. Kids. On buses. In classrooms. My kids are to report in 3 weeks. Yep. In classroom.
3. You claimed schools were not "open", and I said they were. You fail to understand that only the large urban areas are doing the 100% virtual learning.
4. Most districts did a survey of parents. THEY chose their schooling option for their child, not the districts.

EDIT: Have a great day.
 

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1. Look at my posts, it's easy with the "search" option. I defend them on the basis of legal protection.
2. Kids are returning to the classroom. Have you seen Indiana? Yep. Kids. On buses. In classrooms. My kids are to report in 3 weeks. Yep. In classroom.
3. You claimed schools were not "open", and I said they were. You fail to understand that only the large urban areas are doing the 100% virtual learning.
4. Most districts did a survey of parents. THEY chose their schooling option for their child, not the districts.

EDIT: Have a great day.
Now, you're just lying because you've been backed into a corner with your own stupid words. I posted about California and the D.C. suburbs in Virginia, which have closed the classrooms, and not just in "large urban areas." The entire State of California is not in a "large urban area," dipsh!t. Suburbs, by definition, are not "large urban areas." Your zeal for defending teachers unions has blinded you from reality. Have a sh!tty day, imbecile.
 

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Now, you're just lying because you've been backed into a corner with your own stupid words. I posted about California and the D.C. suburbs in Virginia, which have closed the classrooms, and not just in "large urban areas." The entire State of California is not in a "large urban area," dipsh!t. Suburbs, by definition, are not "large urban areas." Your zeal for defending teachers unions has blinded you from reality. Have a sh!tty day, imbecile.

1. You also said private schools were opening. Baron's?
2. Those areas/states are HIGH POPULATED states/areas.
3. Schools are opening up, with students in classrooms. Look it up. It's happening.
4. Noticed you never showed that you were right on my stance on unions and my support for them (legal protection). Wonder why?

Have a great day!
 

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1. You also said private schools were opening. Baron's?
2. Those areas/states are HIGH POPULATED states/areas.
3. Schools are opening up, with students in classrooms. Look it up. It's happening.
4. Noticed you never showed that you were right on my stance on unions and my support for them (legal protection). Wonder why?

Have a great day!
You're delusional. I haven't posted about private schools at all. You're so rattled that you're confusing me with another poster. I know nothing about private schools, as, like you, I attended public schools. Teacher unions are unnecessary in West Virginia because we have civil service laws that provide an extra layer of legal protection for state employees. They are fighting tooth and nail not to return to the classroom, and you are defending them because you are one of them, close to one of them, or a brain-dead imbecile...take your pick.
 

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I’m pretty sure VK spouted off some Christianity stuff and probably used the word “retarded“ when addressing his players. There was likely not nearly enough to legally fire him, but WVU also did a very reactionary move (yay 2020!) where they set themselves up for almost having to let him go.

VK deep down knew he needed to leave. Personally, I would have pushed for more money in light of slanderous comments made on him that would affect his ability to get another DC job at a bigger school...but that’s just me.

They dont need a reason to fire him, they can terminate him whenever they please for any non-discriminatory reason. They only need to fullfill their contractual obligations or reach an alternative agreement.
 

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1. You also said private schools were opening. Baron's?
2. Those areas/states are HIGH POPULATED states/areas.
3. Schools are opening up, with students in classrooms. Look it up. It's happening.
4. Noticed you never showed that you were right on my stance on unions and my support for them (legal protection). Wonder why?

Have a great day!

It's not finalized yet but but it appears my kids will only be able to attend school 2 days per week, then 3 days at home.

The private schools in our town are planning to open up for a full 5 days schedule. If they dont have this sorted out by Jan 1, we are putting our kids in private school.

We don't live in an area with any outbreaks or high numbers...suburban district in a medium sized city.

We have two kids in school, another that will turn 2 in October and we will have a newborn in September. Homeschooling really isnt much of an option in our house with a toddler and a newborn, plus my wife and I both have jobs.
 
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1. You also said private schools were opening. Baron's?
2. Those areas/states are HIGH POPULATED states/areas.
3. Schools are opening up, with students in classrooms. Look it up. It's happening.
4. Noticed you never showed that you were right on my stance on unions and my support for them (legal protection). Wonder why?

Have a great day!

I wouldnt consider 2 days per week really opening up. It does very little for the student and just places more stress on families.

Right now, at my kids school so many families are removing them from the district and putting them in private school that I'm concerned they will end up closing the school....cant blame anyone but the school district and teachers if that does happen.
 
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1. Look at my posts, it's easy with the "search" option. I defend them on the basis of legal protection.
2. Kids are returning to the classroom. Have you seen Indiana? Yep. Kids. On buses. In classrooms. My kids are to report in 3 weeks. Yep. In classroom.
3. You claimed schools were not "open", and I said they were. You fail to understand that only the large urban areas are doing the 100% virtual learning.
4. Most districts did a survey of parents. THEY chose their schooling option for their child, not the districts.

EDIT: Have a great day.

Not true...

Our district sent 2 surveys...

First survey asked parents feelings on returning back to school. The response was overwhelmingly in favor of returning back to school like normal.

2nd survey was back to school options. Normal, 5 day per week back to school was not even provided as an option - which is what the majority of parents want.

It was a sham.
 
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MountaineerWV

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Not true...

Our district sent 2 surveys...

First survey asked parents feelings on returning back to school. The response was overwhelmingly in favor of returning back to school like normal.

2nd survey was back to school options. Normal, 5 day per week back to school was not even provided as an option - which is what the majority of parents want.

It was a sham.

So your district didn't, so that erases "most"? Man, must be a big district.