This is what I find ridiculous about the Turner situation.

[JacksonDevilDog]

I have known for a fact for the last 3 weeks that Turner was gone. I have a friend with a good connection with the coaching staff. The staff knew he was gone. Turner moved to Atlanta and was looking for a job. He knew that he wasn't coming back. Veazey gets his information from a Phil Turner facebook post instead of keeping his ear to the ground in the "Starkville Branch CL". I like Veazey and he does a good job covering MSU, but half of his information comes from sixpack rumor posts that he follows up on or something on facebook getting onto this board and he follows up on it. If Turner's attitude was bad and he didn't attend the last team meeting or a team meeting this summer, the writing was on the wall. Enough was said by his decision not to show up or enroll in school. I don't understand why people continue to blame Stansbury about this.

 

[JacksonDevilDog]

I have known for a fact for the last 3 weeks that Turner was gone. I have a friend with a good connection with the coaching staff. The staff knew he was gone. Turner moved to Atlanta and was looking for a job. He knew that he wasn't coming back. Veazey gets his information from a Phil Turner facebook post instead of keeping his ear to the ground in the "Starkville Branch CL". I like Veazey and he does a good job covering MSU, but half of his information comes from sixpack rumor posts that he follows up on or something on facebook getting onto this board and he follows up on it. If Turner's attitude was bad and he didn't attend the last team meeting or a team meeting this summer, the writing was on the wall. Enough was said by his decision not to show up or enroll in school. I don't understand why people continue to blame Stansbury about this.

 

[JacksonDevilDog]

I have known for a fact for the last 3 weeks that Turner was gone. I have a friend with a good connection with the coaching staff. The staff knew he was gone. Turner moved to Atlanta and was looking for a job. He knew that he wasn't coming back. Veazey gets his information from a Phil Turner facebook post instead of keeping his ear to the ground in the "Starkville Branch CL". I like Veazey and he does a good job covering MSU, but half of his information comes from sixpack rumor posts that he follows up on or something on facebook getting onto this board and he follows up on it. If Turner's attitude was bad and he didn't attend the last team meeting or a team meeting this summer, the writing was on the wall. Enough was said by his decision not to show up or enroll in school. I don't understand why people continue to blame Stansbury about this.

 

[VinceVega70]

I too think Veazey does a great job, but he blew it today. The zeal to break the story should have been tempered by the need to get a complete picture first. Now, it's apparent that Turner regrets his actions of the past few months and he decides to use Veazey as a mouthpiece to stir up trouble. Turner blew it by missing meetings and refusing to do what was necessary to remain part of the team. He called the coachs' bluff and he lost. He gave Veazey a half-story and Veazey ran with it without thinking. If I could fark a picture of Turner and Veazey in a ventriloquist/dummy pose, I'd do it.

 

[kired]

I'm glad you knew for a fact, but for the rest of us 90+% of the fan base all we've heard were just the rumors. If he's not coming back, why didn't the staff let it be know publicly? Why should Veazey have to dig to find out? To my knowledge he's the first to come out with anything that 100% said Turner would not be back. He's just reporting what he found out, regardless of how he got the news. Our athletic department should not be dumb enough to let Veazey & facebook break news like this about our team. I thought this is what a guy like Gregg Ellis is for - media relations / team spokesman. It should have came from him first - not Phil on facebook at 10PM at night.

 

[Coach34]

I have known for a fact for the last 3 weeks that Turner was gone. I have a friend with a good connection with the coaching staff. The staff knew he was gone. Turner moved to Atlanta and was looking for a job. He knew that he wasn't coming back. Veazey gets his information from a Phil Turner facebook post instead of keeping his ear to the ground in the "Starkville Branch CL". I like Veazey and he does a good job covering MSU, but half of his information comes from sixpack rumor posts that he follows up on or something on facebook getting onto this board and he follows up on it. If Turner's attitude was bad and he didn't attend the last team meeting or a team meeting this summer, the writing was on the wall. Enough was said by his decision not to show up or enroll in school. I don't understand why people continue to blame Stansbury about this.

1. Because of it just being more soap opera material coming out of our basketball program. If the staff knew 3 weeks ago, why couldnt Stansbury have annouinced it? How hard would it have been for Stansbury to say that Turner wasnt attending team meetings and wasnt enrolled in summer school, and therefore was no longer part of the basketball team? Why couldnt Stansbury have called Turner on the 17'ing phone and told him he was done?

2. It also is a big shock to people as to why our top hustle player hands down, who will jump into the crowd to save a basketball, suddenly as a Senior, when he has a chance to possibly start or play 20 minutes every game- no longer gives a **** about basketball? This really doesnt make much sense to me and others.

3. We had 2 Seniors in 2010- yet we have lost 5 of our top 8 players at this point from a team that was a game or two from making the NCAA Tourney. While we may get Bost back, we have still lost valuable experience and <span style="text-decoration:underline">quality</span> depth in Osby and Turner. Ask Kentucky how important experience is when it matters. And this continues to be a vicious cycle with our basketball program.

Black eye for Veazey??? ********- all this has done is make our braintrust that runs the basketball program look like he has no clue or communication with his players.

 

[JacksonDevilDog]

If Turner wasn't attending team meetings, you don't announce that to the public or media. That stays internal. I think it's laughable that we have fans that just think that Stansbury wrote Turner a letter saying that he wouldn't be on the team anymore. A senior at that. C'mon.

Also, the coaching staff fully expects Bost to be back. Take it for what it's worth.

 

[MSUCostanza]

It's totally understandable. You have a group of people on this board whose entire message board existence is wrapped up in the potential and hoped for failure of Rick Stansbury. It's gotten to the point where we will probably have Stansbury threads in the middle of the 3rd quarter of the Auburn football game. Couple that with a ****** beat writer who jumped to a likely erroneous conclusion based on half a story, and you get the meltdown we had. One of many reasons I don't post here much anymore. This board has become Coach34Speak.com.

 

[Coach34]

why Turner wouldnt be back- but he could have announced it. It was going to have to be addressed at some point- why not go ahead and take care of it.
It was handled wrong on both sides- Phil is not the only one to blame

It also doesnt fit the norm as far as hustle players like Phil quitting- they are successful in sports because they are people that refuse to quit. And just letting your Senior season go by the wayside is way out of the norm. But our basketball program isn't normal I guess when you look at it.

For the record, I think Bost comes back too after having to sit out a few games. No way the NCAA just reinstates him with no penalty for missing the deadline.

 

[Coach34]

It's totally understandable. You have a group of people on this board whose entire message board existence is wrapped up in the potential and hoped for failure of Rick Stansbury. It's gotten to the point where we will probably have Stansbury threads in the middle of the 3rd quarter of the Auburn football game. Couple that with a ****** beat writer who jumped to a likely erroneous conclusion based on half a story, and you get the meltdown we had. One of many reasons I don't post here much anymore. This board has become Coach34Speak.com.

maybe if Stansbury didnt give people so much ammunition to question wtf he is doing, it wouldnt get talked about so much. 2 NCAA's the last 5 years and now we are without at least 4 of our top 8 from last year...you better hope the RSS is as good as advertised.

 

[MSUCostanza]

that you are excited about the failures of our basketball team. Congrats. I hope you are also happy that you have completely ruined this message board.

 

[TheBigDA]

with a personal attack in the face of facts.</p>

 

[Coach34]

that you are excited about the failures of our basketball team. Congrats. I hope you are also happy that you have completely ruined this message board.

that people are finally waking up and questioning your hero and the decisions he is making. It's way overdue

 

[MSUCostanza]

Coach and others are so wrapped up in the potential failure of Stansbury, that they have completely ruined this board. They are almost giddy with excitement that there are problems with our basketball program. And there are serious problems. I am now on the fence about Stansbury. The fact that something just isn't right with our basketball program does not make me happy. Unfortunately, it does make Coach happy. And he has spent his last 10,000 posts telling us that.

And I will personally attack Coach at every opportunity. He's a complete *******.

 

[MSUCostanza]

for giving a coach that won a shitload of basketball games the benefit of the doubt for a couple of years. Meanwhile, you are balls deep on John Cohen, who has managed to take a ****** baseball team and make it shittier. I'm on the fence about Stansbury at this point.

 

[mstateglfr]

The zeal to break the story should have been tempered by the need to get a complete picture first.

He gave Veazey a half-story and Veazey ran with it without thinking.

KV reported quite clearly that he attempted to contact Stans and wasnt able to reach him. He also quite clearly reported that if/when Stans responded, he would update the story.

He tried to get the complete story, reported that he didnt have the complete story, and did exactly what he promised to do...update when there was one.

This supposed zeal to break it without thinking isnt supported by what really happened.

 

[Hanmudog]

for giving a coach that won a shitload of basketball games the benefit of the doubt for a couple of years. Meanwhile, you are balls deep on John Cohen, who has managed to take a ****** baseball team and make it shittier. I'm on the fence about Stansbury at this point.

How anyone could rip on Stansbury and blow Cohen in the same breath is astounding. Hell Rick won more games than Cohen did last year in around 20 fewer games. He also did not lose to J-State.

 

[Coach34]

for giving a coach that won a shitload of basketball games the benefit of the doubt for a couple of years. Meanwhile, you are balls deep on John Cohen, who has managed to take a ****** baseball team and make it shittier. I'm on the fence about Stansbury at this point.

How anyone could rip on Stansbury and blow Cohen in the same breath is astounding. Hell Rick won more games than Cohen did last year in around 20 fewer games. He also did not lose to J-State.

SEC titles- Cohen 1, Stansbury 1
Stansbury has 12 SEC seasons, Cohen 7
SEC West title in baseball means top 10 ranking, SEC title in basketball means NCAA bubble
Stansbury has multiple losses in his career to SE Louisiana and other piss ant schools
Stansbury inherited a talented team when he became HC, Cohen has inherited a bunch of ****

There is no debating who has been the better State coach to this point, but years from now Cohen will at the very least have a WS appearance under his belt- Stansbury wont even have a Sweet 16

 

[LR1400]

for giving a coach that won a shitload of basketball games the benefit of the doubt for a couple of years. Meanwhile, you are balls deep on John Cohen, who has managed to take a ****** baseball team and make it shittier. I'm on the fence about Stansbury at this point.

How anyone could rip on Stansbury and blow Cohen in the same breath is astounding. Hell Rick won more games than Cohen did last year in around 20 fewer games. He also did not lose to J-State.

SEC titles- Cohen 1, Stansbury 1
Stansbury has 12 SEC seasons, Cohen 7
SEC West title in baseball means top 10 ranking, SEC title in basketball means NCAA bubble
Stansbury has multiple losses in his career to SE Louisiana and other piss ant schools
Stansbury inherited a talented team when he became HC, Cohen has inherited a bunch of ****

There is no debating who has been the better State coach to this point, but years from now Cohen will at the very least have a WS appearance under his belt- Stansbury wont even have a Sweet 16

It is obvious that Cohen has thus far sucked ***.

Mullen has created optimism yet has not won much.

Stansbury consistently wins. I know, I know we play a cupcake schedule. The take home point......wins. Are you seriously suggesting firing the only swinging dick in the entire athletic department who wins?

 

[ScoobaDawg]

I have known for a fact for the last 3 weeks that Turner was gone. I have a friend with a good connection with the coaching staff. The staff knew he was gone. Turner moved to Atlanta and was looking for a job. He knew that he wasn't coming back. Veazey gets his information from a Phil Turner facebook post instead of keeping his ear to the ground in the "Starkville Branch CL". I like Veazey and he does a good job covering MSU, but half of his information comes from sixpack rumor posts that he follows up on or something on facebook getting onto this board and he follows up on it. If Turner's attitude was bad and he didn't attend the last team meeting or a team meeting this summer, the writing was on the wall. Enough was said by his decision not to show up or enroll in school. I don't understand why people continue to blame Stansbury about this.

Just so you know...Veazey did not find out about this from Facebook or even The pack.
I'm going to post Paul Jones message so everyone can see how this really went down.

Since you asked,

_________________________________________________




<div id="post_message_136070">here's how it all went down. We had a
VBS commencement last night at my church. When I got in my truck to
leave, I saw I had a missed call from Matt Stevens at Starkville daily
news. I called Matt back and he asked me if I knew of Turner not coming
back. Matt had heard from some folks that was the case (those folks had
seen Turner's status on his Facebook page). I said I had not heard and
last time I talked with Phil, he told me he was coming back, which I
posted a month or so ago. When I got home, I came to our board here and
saw some folks asking about it. So I called up Phil to see what was
going on. I then posted it here what Turner told me right after I got
off the phone with Turner.
I then call Matt from SDN to tell him it was true, and then naturally,
Matt called Turner himself, too. I knew Kyle was away so I gave him a
call to let him know. I didnt get him at first but then Kyle called me
back to see what was up. I told him Turner wasnt coming back and then
naturally, Kyle called Turner.
Kyle and I often help each other out with tips. ALong with Michael, Kyle
and I often help each other out from time to time on situations like
this, letting the other know what we find out.
We dont see each other as competing news outlets cause we are in
different media outlets.

And to add,

_________________________________________________




<div id="post_message_136074">Neither do I go on facebook checking out
pages of athletes or recruits. Heck, I guess I am in the minority
because I dont even have a facebook page (I did start to create one
several months ago in attempt to ask a recruit a question but then never
did activate my page). I just saw some people on here saying what
Phil's FB page said.</div></div>

<div id="post_message_136070"><div id="post_message_136074"></div>I'm done with this situation and will only say this..Both sides handled this in the wrong manner and did not cooler heads prevail to work things out.
If Dee does not get cleared for this coming season because he was an IDIOT and didn't follow the rules when they were clearly explained to him..
and we only have 12 players on scholarship and only 11 eligible to play (Moultrie has to sit out this season)...That will be on Rick.

After next season..Things have the potential to get better with the attitudes leaving finally but it will all depend on if the inmates still run the asylum.

</div>

 

[WinDawg]

From all accounts,our basketballstaff hasknown this was coming. They should have been smart enough to take ownership of this story before Phil Turner did.. At a minimum, they should have been prepared with something more than "no comment." When did they expect us to find out he wasn't playing? Team picture day?

 

[MSUCostanza]

It's so obvious that you aren't even trying to base your posts on facts any longer, just trying to stir up ****.

Stansbury inherited Horatio Webster and a bunch of doorknobs. You know that. After the FF team bailed (or didn't make bail), we were left with absolutely nothing. Remember how ****** that 1996-97 team was? They weren't much better when Rick took over. Quit making up ****.

I find it pretty funny that you have already declared that Cohen will take us to the CWS. He never got close at UK. He has taken Polk's players and managed to make them worse, then brought in his own "talent" and they aren't worth a **** either. So please enlighten us as to how you feel confident that he'll take us to Omaha. Nothing - absolutely nothing - he has done indicates that is possible. I guess losing to Jackson State is part of the "rebuilding" process? That sounds more like our last football coach than it sounds like our basketball coach.

Meanwhile, Stansbury has not done well in the NCAA tournament, but he has at least been, and pretty often. And been to the second round several times, meaning he's been just one win away from your standards 4 times. We are not, nor never will be, an elite basketball program. We can, however, be a consistent tournament team and have an occasional great season. I still feel like Rick gives us the best chance to do that right now. Some of you idiots need to get it through your head that State does not have the resources to be an elite program in any sport. We should expect to be very good, consistently.

 

[ScoobaDawg]

We can't compete with the big boys because we don't have money...woe is us.

I hate this damn attitude with MSU fans

 

[MSUCostanza]

I said that State will not ever be an ELITE program. We certainly can compete with the "big boys". We already do. But we will never be an elite program in football or basketball. Elite is different from competitive, surely you understand that. Or maybe you don't. It isn't rocket surgery, as they say. Our athletic budget is 1/3 the size of a Florida, Tennessee or Alabama. I think we get pretty good results from the money we do have, to be honest. However, to be a program that is<span style="font-weight: bold;"> year-in, year-out</span> competing for national championships and conference championships is not realistic. It's not a woe-is-me attitude, it's just the way things are.

 

[Dollabillz]

I feel your pain right now. I can't understand, for the life of me, why these guys don't get your point. They probably do, but are just trying to stir you up. That's my only explanation.

Disclaimer...****I do not, however, agree with you about John Cohen.****

 

[Seinfeld]

The point is that it takes money(a lot of it) and huge amounts of alumni support/resources to be what many of you consider to be an elite basketball program. MSU has neither and won't have either for the foreseeable future. What I find laughable is that we have so many fans that think Stansbury's constant winning is beneath us and all we have to do is snap our fingers for the next Roy Williams or Coach K to come walking through our doors. Let's say we fire Stansbury and bring in the next hidden coaching star. Here are the scenarios...

Worst Possible Scenario - New coach is in over his head, starts losing local recruits to rival SEC schools, and the team struggles. After a couple years, fans get tired of losing and a Hump that has sold out season tickets for years is now half empty for most games. Each year begins with fans hoping to make the NIT.

Best Possible Scenario - New coach snags a couple high profile recruits, catches lightning in a bottle, and makes a quick deep run in the NCAA Tournament. Following instant success, coach leaves MSU for better job.

Most Likely Scenario - New coach enters and takes a couple years to do some "house cleaning" and bring in new recruits. Team struggles for 2-3 years. Coach brings in a more structured offensive style but loses focus on the defensive/rebounding aspect of it, and the team improves in one area while falling off in others. Assuming the coach doesn't get fired, somewhere between years 3 and 4 the fans get excited because they finally have a team that may make it to the NCAA tournament, and a lot of us think back to years past when we expected that every year.

So I ask, what of these scenarios sounds so much better than what we have now? If you say the best possible scenario, that's fine, but I'd also say that there's about a 1% chance of that happening. Stansbury is a frustrating enigma to say the least. I'll even admit that I would not have been upset in the least had he taken the Clemson job. Sometimes, it's time for a change. However, it amazes me that we have so many fans that think we're just a coach firing away from making final 4 runs. The focus and finances will have to change throughout out entire athletic department before MSU basketball will achieve what some of you hope for.

 

[MSUCostanza]

Sums it up perfectly.

 

[Coach34]

It's so obvious that you aren't even trying to base your posts on facts any longer, just trying to stir up ****.

Stansbury inherited Horatio Webster and a bunch of doorknobs. You know that. After the FF team bailed (or didn't make bail), we were left with absolutely nothing. Remember how ****** that 1996-97 team was? They weren't much better when Rick took over. Quit making up ****.

I find it pretty funny that you have already declared that Cohen will take us to the CWS. He never got close at UK. He has taken Polk's players and managed to make them worse, then brought in his own "talent" and they aren't worth a **** either. So please enlighten us as to how you feel confident that he'll take us to Omaha. Nothing - absolutely nothing - he has done indicates that is possible. I guess losing to Jackson State is part of the "rebuilding" process? That sounds more like our last football coach than it sounds like our basketball coach.

Meanwhile, Stansbury has not done well in the NCAA tournament, but he has at least been, and pretty often. And been to the second round several times, meaning he's been just one win away from your standards 4 times. We are not, nor never will be, an elite basketball program. We can, however, be a consistent tournament team and have an occasional great season. I still feel like Rick gives us the best chance to do that right now. Some of you idiots need to get it through your head that State does not have the resources to be an elite program in any sport. We should expect to be very good, consistently.

Tyrone Washington was a draft pick wasnt he?
Marckell Patterson was pretty good
Dietrick White? good player
Todd Myles was decent
Tang Hamilton ring a bell?
Micheal Gholar?
Wasnt Robert Jackson on that team? He helped lead a team to the Final Four did he not?
Hyche was decent

"It's so obvious that you aren't even trying to base your posts on facts"


I post facts- you post **** like "Stansbury inherited Harotio Webster and a bunch of stiffs"-He wasnt even on that team you dumb ****

Stansbury inherited a pretty good team
Cohen??? not so much

 

[VinceVega70]

I don't think Veazey accomplished anything by tweeting this story before there was a clear picture of what was going on. Turner knowingly told half the story and was simply taking a stab at Stansbury. Veazey became his puppet to do this. That's not top notch reporting. No quality in it. No perspective. Simply being a puppet.<div>
</div><div>My theory on MSU media relations and Stansbury's reluctance to comment initially is that they may not have expected this from Turner and, therefore, were not prepared for it. It's now clear that Turner knew exactly where he stood and the letter should not have been a surprise to him. I don't know what Stans was up to Saturday morning but maybe he was not immediately available to take phone calls from Veazey. I don't think instantaneous availability to beat writers is a requirement for the job.</div>

 

[Dawgbreeze]

The board will improve. Coach has only one primary objective, to try and destroy Rick Stansbury. All the rest is fluff and everybody knows it. One thing we can count on, he can't go one week without starting some **** on Stansbury or giving his expert after the fact opinion on how something should have been done. Anyone or anybody who disagrees with his sick *** is immediately lambasted from then on. If he represents MSU, then we are doomed. Gives no money to the program, doesn't hardly ever attend a game, and is an authority in his own mind which others seem to fall in line and believe the crap he spews. Sad indeed.

 

[Coach34]

Butler runs their program on a million dollars less than we do...George Mason made a FF on their ****** budget...I could go on and on

Why would a new coach have to clean house? Talent is not our problem- it needs to be coached. A new coach could come in, add to what we already have, and probably not miss a beat. Also, why would a new coach not be able to coach both aspects? Why would he not be able to coach defense if he were able to do a better job coaching offense? That's kind of dumb

And the "in position every year to make the NCAA's under Stansbury" is a myth- 4 of the last 5 years we have had to win the SEC Tourney to make the NCAA's- that's not what I'd call "in position"- that's called desperation...NCAA's only 2 of the last 5 years- and our leaders for this coming year's basketball team are Kodi, Ravern, and Benock- that's just screams hope doesn't it?

 

[o_fredgarvin]

Regardless of what Turner has said, done or not done, Stansbury has handled this poorly. He should not let a 22 year old put him in this situation.

 

[prairiedawg]

this used to be a funny, and yet informational board. It has been allowed to become the C34 ***** and gripe forum. And people continue time after time to feed it. I know, I know, I'm doing it now. But I rarely even come over here anymore to even read the board because it has become so predictable what I'll see when I get here. Do I think anybody cares that I don't? No, just saying my $0.02 worth. Now, back to the occasional lurk.....

 

[Dawgbreeze]

They have been to the tourney a total of 5 times and have a 4-5 record over the lifetime of the program. Yes they made a Final Four, so did we. You continue to use stats to make yourself look smart. We will ultimately get back to the Final Four and then hopefully you'll shut up. I think all of us know you can't however, and it will be the same jabber from now on. Go fishing, take a walk, watch a movie, give us a break!

 

[Coach34]

this used to be a funny, and yet informational board. It has been allowed to become the C34 ***** and gripe forum. And people continue time after time to feed it. I know, I know, I'm doing it now. But I rarely even come over here anymore to even read the board because it has become so predictable what I'll see when I get here. Do I think anybody cares that I don't? No, just saying my $0.02 worth. Now, back to the occasional lurk.....

I havent griped about football or baseball since 2008. I'm also not the only one that's sick of the soap opera that is our basketball program.
I didnt mishandle the Turner situation.
I didnt underachieve horribly this past season

There would be alot less Stansbury threads if he would stop giving the Board plenty of reasons.
Don't act like I started this whole thing- I didn't break the Phil Turner story.
I wasnt the one that failed to communicate the repercussions of not pulling out by the NCAA mandated deadline to Bost.
I'm not the one that has starters or guys getting lots of playing time transferring out of the program every year- thus diminishing our chances of playing successful basketball

 

[dawgstudent]

We were a combined 10-22 in SEC play the previous two years.

My arthritic grandmother had stronger hands than Tyrone Washington.
I will give you White, Patterson and WuTang but Myles, Gholar, and Hyche are hilarious. But to even add Jackson who was voted off by his own team is laughable.

 

[MSUCostanza]

that routinely beat down Bart Hyche in pickup games at the Sanderson. He was a joke. Ty Washington was brutal. Whoever drafted him should have been immediately fired on the spot. He had a 1" vertical and was dumb as a box of mice. Gholar did nothing. Todd Myles was a spastic turnover machine. White and Patterson were good college players. I even hesitate to include Tang. He showed flashes, but he probably played with about 50% effort most of the time. The fact that Rick did anything with that bunch of stiffs should be proof that the guy can coach.

 

[Coach34]

Tang Hamilton was on that team and was on an NBA roster at one time wasnt he?
Washington may have had worse hands than your Grandmother, but he was 2nd team All-SEC and drafted by the Rockets.
Gholar was a defensive stopper

Regardless of their record the previous two years, didnt mean they sucked in Stansbury's first season. As I pointed out before, Cameron Burns, Greg Carter, Hartsfield, Merritte, and crew were also about 10-22 in the SEC their first two seasons before making the NIT and then the NCAA's their last season.

Mullen's team is 8-16 the last 2 years- so we are not a talented team in football in 2010?

Stansbury inherited a talented team.

 

[Coach34]

that routinely beat down Bart Hyche in pickup games at the Sanderson. He was a joke. Ty Washington was brutal. Whoever drafted him should have been immediately fired on the spot. He had a 1" vertical and was dumb as a box of mice. Gholar did nothing. Todd Myles was a spastic turnover machine. White and Patterson were good college players. I even hesitate to include Tang. He showed flashes, but he probably played with about 50% effort most of the time. The fact that Rick did anything with that bunch of stiffs should be proof that the guy can coach.

2nd team All-SEC and he is brutal huh?

 

[dawgstudent]

He didn't inherit a talented team. He inherited a couple of talented players.